May 25, 2013

Friday Open Thread: Reelection Week

November 9, 2012 by 193 Comments

 

The definition of hope is you still believe, even when it’s hard.

Four more years!

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  • rikyrah

    Good Morning, Everyone :)

  • Kadijo

    GM all, 3 days after VICTORY, I am so glad that PBO gave wonder boy P. Ryan another spanking. Its reminds of my grandmother sending us to get our own switch.

    • gc

      Preoccupied with personal stuff here. I think I missed what you are referring to.
      Did Ryan shoot off his lipless mouth again?

      • Kadijo

        PBO= The Baltimore Massacre and won WI too :)

        • nellcote

          PBO won not just WI but Ryan’s congressional district!

          • gc

            Got it, thanks, cause I knew the little weenie did get reelected. And I am sure Ryan has no idea which way is up now*

            * whose ass to kiss

  • AxelFoley

    What’s really good, fam?

  • gc

    Conlappa – if you are out there, thank you for your help gently allowing me to see the situation with my colleague from a different perspective. My husband did as well (smart guy :) a sadder,but wiser Sub….

    • conlakappa

      You’re welcome. It’s a sad reality but is what probably helps the woman get to sleep at night. Maybe she’ll realize her biases one day, maybe she won’t.

  • MonieTalks

    You don’t rise spewing hate with your hood off and think that it is going to be that easy.

    Fox News star Sean Hannity suddenly likes immigration reform

    Radio and television hotspur Sean Hannity — who for years has spit the word “amnesty” like an epithet — declared Thursday that he has “evolved” and now supports creating a “pathway” to citizenship for those already in the country illegally.

    “It’s simple to me to fix it,” Hannity said. “I think you control the border first. You create a pathway for those people that are here — you don’t say you’ve got to go home. And that is a position that I’ve evolved on.

    “Because, you know what, it’s got to be resolved. The majority of people here, if some people have criminal records you can send them home; but if people are here, law-abiding, participating for years, their kids are born here, you know, first secure the border, pathway to citizenship, done.”

    read more: http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-na-pn-sean-hannity-immigration-20121109,0,796921.story

    • nepat

      Shorter Hannity: we need more votes.

      • Miranda

        THIS^^^

      • conlakappa

        …and we need more viewers. Doesn’t Faux now have a latino channel?

      • AxelFoley

        BAM! He an’t slick.

    • BoomerGal

      THERE IT IS!! Courting the Hispanic vote. They wasted NO TIME!!

  • rikyrah

    A new America speaks
    By Eugene Robinson,
    Nov 09, 2012 12:23 AM EST

    The Washington Post Published: November 8

    So much for voter suppression. So much for the enthusiasm gap. So much for the idea that smug, self-appointed arbiters of what is genuinely “American” were going to “take back” the country, as if it had somehow been stolen.

    On Tuesday, millions of voters sent a resounding message to the take-it-back crowd: You won’t. You can’t. It’s our country, too.

    President Obama and the Democratic Party scored what can be seen only as a comprehensive victory. Obama won the popular vote convincingly, and the electoral vote wasn’t close. In a year when it was hard to imagine how Democrats could avoid losing seats in the Senate, they won seats and increased their majority.

    Republicans did keep control of the House, but to call this a “status quo” election is absurd. After the 2010 midterm elections, Republicans had the initiative and Democrats were reeling. After Tuesday, the dynamics are utterly reversed.

    Don’t take my word for it. Listen to the conservative bloviators who were so convinced that Mitt Romney would defeat Obama, perhaps in a landslide, and undo everything the president has accomplished.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/eugene-robinson-a-new-america-delivers-its-verdict/2012/11/08/ae348d12-29e8-11e2-96b6-8e6a7524553f_story.html?wpisrc=nl_opinions

  • vulcan_girl

    So what’s the over-under on Boehner remaining Speaker come January?

    • Town

      Eric Cantor is sure to shank him.

      • TyrenM

        Especially if a deficit deal is done before 1/1.

    • jds09

      Hard to answer. Even if you only had 2 brain cells, who would want that job leading those yahoos?

      • nellcote

        Michelle Bachman?

        • jds09

          That would be perfect. It would send the GOP collapse into hyper-drive. Photoshop would be off the chain. lol

          • conlakappa

            Didn’t she try to make a power play last time? I bet she will again. Johnny Orange is further weakened by one of his flanks being exposed with Pence becoming governor of Indiana. He has the same base of support as Bachmann and was as ambitious but dumber. I’ve always viewed Yon Cassius [Hairdo Cantor] as having a lean and hungry look. Should be interesting.

  • rikyrah

    Montana Voters Deprive Corporations Of Their Humanity

    When you went to Wal-Mart today, you probably could not help but notice that the store was sad. That is because on Tuesday Montana voters overwhelmingly voted to deprive them of their humanity. Initiative 166 was passed with 75% of the vote, and states that corporations are “not entitled to constitutional rights because they are not human beings.” The initiative was on the ballot due to the United States Supreme Court’s decision in Citizens United, which held that corporations are cuddly people just like you and me, and are entitled to drop limitless amounts of money into political campaigns.

    Montanans overwhelmingly approved the initiative, which received 74% of the vote. C.B Pearson, a spokesman for Montanans United, the group behind the initiative, said, “Montanans are calling on every elected official in Montana to fight for fair elections and overturn the horrible Citizens United decision.”

    Corporations were not so happy. When asked for comment on the passing of the initiative, a local Home Depot just looked away and stared stoically into the mountains beyond. Elected officials, none of whom would speak on the record, lamented the fact they would no longer be able to go golfing or hunting with their favorite corporations.

    http://gawker.com/5959023/montana-voters-deprive-corporations-of-their-humanity%22

    • Miranda

      Good job Montana!

      • conlakappa

        I’ve been in touch with RadioGirl, who points out that they now have two D senators and a D governor.

        • Alma98

          I miss her so much she was one of the people I read while lurking at dkos. I hope she’s doing well.

          • conlakappa

            I’ll let her know. Please remind me: were you Alma on the Orange? She and soothsayer write on Seeta’s site, Critical Mass Progress. They had a kick-ass series in the weeks leading up to the election.

          • Alma98

            No, I lurked because they would have banned me after my first comment. I just couldn’t hold my tongue at that place. Thanks for letting me know where are, will add it to my bookmarks.

          • AxelFoley

            No, I lurked because they would have banned me after my first comment.

            Same reason I never registered there.

    • dannie22

      YAY MONTANA!!

    • qosine

      Love it!

  • nepat

    Liberals, you should rein in the triumphalism. Obama won a narrow 51-49 percent victory and the composition of Congress changed only slightly. This was not a historic vindication of liberalism, and it doesn’t mean that we can suddenly decide that demography will sweep us to victory for the next couple of decades.

    That’s Kevin Drum, who should really have his pundit license revoked. If the popular vote were the variable that decided elections, Team Obama would have run an entirely different campaign. Their campaign strategy was based on winning the electoral college – as it should have been. And it worked! You’re looking at the wrong data, Drum, and it’s pissing me off. What’s up with these “liberal” bobble-heads?

    • rikyrah

      i know…sit down and s-t-f-u

    • MonieTalks

      That is the problem I have with people like Kevin Drum. People like him, so-called leading liberal voices and the media have been playing this silly, shallow numbers game while bypassing the backstory.

      For every person that predicted doom for PBO, saying he could not be re-elected due to simply an unemployment number fail to say that PBO filled a gaping hole in a far faster fashion then his predecessor did…built a re-birth of manufacturing that had been dwindling for decades, and did all this with unprecedented obstructionism.

      The president won in spite of intentional and sub-conscious racism, a media who propped up a lying and secretive Mitt, a media who also allowed right wing talking points to determine their direction and influenced their bias, in spite of voter suppression, in spite of a post Citizen United deluge of money,

      If there had been any other candidate, Republican, Democrat, or third pary, kevin Drum would have not written that bulshit. he would have crowned any President a phenomenon under these same circumstances.

      • GN

        It’s beltway bullshit. A nerdy professor used math, science (and a highly persuasive articulation of liberal values as common sense) to beat the breaks off of a well-funded coalition of regressives.

        And he was aided in no small part by African Americans who led a revolt by people of color against the GOP’s disrespect of POTUS, racebaiting, and voter suppression tactics.

        Not surprising that so many in the beltway media neither saw this coming nor (like Drum here) fully comprehend it.

        • MonieTalks

          Not only that but the GOP actually thought that holding the economy hostage in the dealt deal would be looked at admirably.

          Maybe so to hypocritical teabaggers, but most decent people, like affluent voters in NoVA were disgusted and thinking about their wallets as well. And many more people, especially POC were disgusted at the xenophobia, misogyny,racism and ugly displays of behavior by the GOP.

      • AxelFoley

        Post-Election Comment of the Week!

    • conlakappa

      Narrow? The counting isn’t ever so he might want to wait a few weeks before his ignorance and Debbie Downerism show themselves.

    • TyrenM

      Tell Mr. Drum “332-206 BIOTCH”

    • qosine

      They’re not liberals. They’re “fiscal conservatives” who want “social issues” devolved back to the states.

      • BoomerGal

        So true! They favor CONFEDERALISM over the Constitution. Always have!

        • qosine

          Yes!

    • dannie22

      I was watching the Frontline episode, The Choice, I think it was called for a few minutes one night before the election. I caught the part where they talked about how the President passed healthcare. The pundits were in shock because instead of playing the game of giving in to the repubs demands, he went around them and passed it with only dem support. that had never been done. Pundits kept saying that passing hcr without repub support would make it more difficult to get repub support in the future. The President promised to get rid of partisanship but he failed the pundits railed. It was striking to me because the president refused to play the regular Washington game. And the politicians and pundits didnt know what to make of PBO, esp after healthcare. And they still cant figure him out. Beltway disease is so ingrained in heir psyche, they cant see past it. Its amazing!! PBO wont play their game and they will never give him credit because of it.

      • MonieTalks

        But dannie, the most egregious part of it all is that the President and Democrats passed Obamacare by embracing a Republican idea that had been in the works for 30 YEARS. That cannot be stressed enough. The individual mandate was synonymous to individual responsibility in conservative think-tanks

        It is sickening the way has either the media whispered or omitted that huge fact.

        Only now is this long-heralded Republican philosophy an example of socialism.

    • Kennymack1971

      Kevin Drum starring in another episode of: Why liberal pundunces stay losing.

      • http://oldhollywood.net/ woody45

        Did he write that shaking and trembling from under his bed?

    • nellcote

      and it doesn’t mean that we can suddenly decide that demography will sweep us to victory for the next couple of decades.
      ===
      mighty white of you, Kev.

    • BoomerGal

      Drum has forgotten that PBO won the electoral vote AND the popular vote!

  • rikyrah

    ‘Obamacare is the law of the land’
    By Steve Benen
    Fri Nov 9, 2012 8:35 AM EST

    The road to health care reform hasn’t exactly been easy. After waiting nearly a century, Americans had to (1) wait for a Democratic president and a large Democratic congressional majority; (2) overcome a Supreme Court challenge; and (3) re-elect that Democratic president.

    As of this week, the pieces are in place for the law’s prolonged security, and as of yesterday, the nation’s leading Republican conceded he’s effectively giving up trying to destroy the Affordable Care Act.

    Republicans’ efforts to undo President Barack Obama’s health care reform law appear to have come to an end, as House Speaker John Boehner described it Thursday as the “law of the land.”

    In an interview with ABC News, the nation’s top elected Republican seemed to indicate that Congress wouldn’t engage in the type of repeated repeal votes the way it had in the past two years.

    Keep in mind, as recently as July, congressional Republicans had voted 32 times over the last two years to kill “Obamacare,” as if only 31 floor votes may have left unanswered questions about the GOP’s intentions.

    http://maddowblog.msnbc.com/_news/2012/11/09/15048098-obamacare-is-the-law-of-the-land?lite

  • jds09

    Okay. I’ve done my round of reading on the internets and enjoyed my share of “what went wrong”. I’m consistently finding a missing piece.

    No one is mentioning that the majority of Americans DID NOT blame PBO for the slow rate of economic recovery. The president was SUCCESSFUL in showcasing Republican obstructionism. In a fair fight, this election was not winnable for the republicans, because this president handles his business. The republicans delayed the implementation of policies that most economists believe will work, America got that. As president, PBO made tasty lemonade out of some very bitter nasty lemons.

    PBO ran a masterful campaign against BIG money, lies and voter suppression. That is the story.

    • conlakappa

      I’ve heard it but it’s usually uttered under breath and half-assedly, “…despite the current state of the economy…”

    • GN

      Excellent point! Not only did a majority not blame POTUS but a majority also expressed doubt that anyone else could have done a better job withe the recovery than him.

      • BoomerGal

        And Clinton pointed that out repeatedly throughout the campaign and at the convention.

      • conlakappa

        I’m now remembering: one recent context I saw was that people blamed the previous occupant, which seemed shocking to the stenography reporting on it. What was that about competent messaging again?

    • qosine

      Republicans won’t believe that the American electorate rejected their whole Coolidge-Hoover-Reagan-Bush conservative ideology. It’s not technology, it’s not “people are too stupid to get it,” it’s not Hurricane Sandy, it’s not “lack of outreach,” it’s not [fill in the blank lie/excuse/rationalization].

      People want Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security, Obamacare, EITC, Child credit, full time good paying career (not just min. wage service sector jobs), more public transport, safe bridges, roads, and buildings.
      clean air, earth, and water, and want to do together what we can’t do alone.

      Personally, I want to put a stake through the heart of the “fiscal conservative” malarky (thx VPJoe). All it means, is funneling the fed cash to billionaires and rich S corp owners. (S corps have their place, but do people like John Edwards need to only pay taxes on
      300,000 $ income on profits north of a million dollars?)

      the end.

      • MonieTalks

        Yes!

        Especially when you have an offshore tax haven using Republican nominee who has a gang of ole rich guys pouring millions into dark money groups.

        These mofos won’t be hurting for a tax increase at all, they proved that.

        • qosine

          I’ll never forget Romney and his billionaire buddies hanging out on that yacht flying the Cayman flag, during the GOP convention.

          Tax increase: outraged howls and screams
          Obamacare: moochers can use ER

          • BoomerGal

            Glad you brought up “moochers.” I’m hearing this narrative that repugs are willing to engage Hispanics b/c repugs have more to offer them since they are “hard working Catholics” (J. Scarborough, The View). He’s not the only one saying this but the inference seems to be that AA are the “takers” in this society, so repugs, ideologically, have nothing to offer us and therefore, will not bother to court us for our vote.

            Now, if Rubio runs on the repug ticket in 2016 and Castro runs for the Dems, THIS will be interesting to see how that narrative plays out.

          • qosine

            Uh huh. Scarborough et al treat each group as a novelty child’s toy. PBO’s moving the mindset against conservative ideology and toward “we’re all in this together.” Yes, I thought about that – Castro vs. Rubio.
            Castro will win out if he leads in the PBO way.

          • BoomerGal

            Right! I know Castro has the charisma, I just hope he has the smarts. FORWARD!!!! LOL!!!

          • nellcote

            repugs have more to offer them since they are “hard working Catholics”
            ===
            ignore the Nuns on The Bus at your own peril!

          • conlakappa

            Moreover ignore that the newer immigrants are not Catholics, though still hard working. They trend more evangelical. They’ve been duped by the patriarchy of The Church enough to consider a different relationship with G*d. Good to see that the R party is still taking advice from Leslie Sanchez, someone with whom I was in a meeting in 2003 and she was spewing that dated information. Nice enough woman but phony as a bag of weave.

      • rikyrah

        and the thing is……if the GOP believed that America was willing to destroy the American Safety Net…

        then they should run on it.

        but they don’t. they lie about it.

        • qosine

          Exactly. They LIE about it.

      • nellcote

        it’s not Hurricane Sandy
        ===
        I’m starting to think that if they want to say it’s God’s will for PBO to be re-elected, then I’m ok with that. LOL

        • conlakappa

          Hurricanes/superstorms are the work of Satan. Or teh gayz.

          • nellcote

            oh yeah, I always get that confused with act-of-god. should we let the insurance companies sort it out? ;)

          • conlakappa

            Ha! There’s something wrong with you! But, yes, let’s leave it to those shark-infested waters.

          • qosine

            Of course if global warming is also caused by humans? Hmmm . . . sue Kochs for Hurricane Sandy? The possibilities . . .

      • BoomerGal

        People with SENSE want these things. There’s a shrinking faction out there still living in the 20th century and still fighting the Civil War.

    • rikyrah

      I’ve said this for awhile…..

      While Americans have amnesia a lot of the time ,. the bottom line is this:

      how bad a President was George W. Bush?

      So bad that this country elected a Black man as President.

      I never ever EVER take anything away from the amazing candidate that Barack Obama was in 2008…

      but I’ve been Black in America longer than 3 days..

      and Black folks don’t get the opportunities when things are going good.

      that’s just not our history.

      we get the chances once a White person has run something into the ground it’s unrecognizable.

      that’s just how it is.

      and White folks will never admit it…but it is how it is.

      • nellcote

        All those billboards with Bush’s photo saying “miss me yet?”. I guess the American people said NO!

    • BoomerGal

      And those billionaires are mad as hell!! Just goes to show, money can get you past the primaries but it can’t buy the WH, especially against a smart and shrewd politician like PBO!! My president had 600 lawyers ON THE GROUND at the ready for any Karl Rove bullshit! THE MAN IS BAD!!!

    • AxelFoley

      All this. Other Dems, especially those with designs on the White House in the future, need to take heed.

      My mom and I talk politics all the time (PBO inspired her to follow politics in 2008) and I tell her that the President saved the Democratic Party. I don’t think even Hillary Clinton could have pulled off all the successes PBO has in the last four years, even with the Clinton Machine behind her.

      To keep this country moving forward after PBO’s second term is up come January 2017, we gonna need someone who can inspire and lead like Barack Hussein Obama. Dems have a deep bench, but someone in the next year or two is gonna have to step up into the spotlight and prepare to take the baton from PBO if VP Biden doesn’t run.

      • qosine

        Definitely. A few weeks ago, I ran across the interview PBO gave WBEZ in Chicago around 2000-2001. He observed that the Constitution was really a charter of negative liberties, calling for the government not do this, not to do that. He said, that it doesn’t tell what the government MUST

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  • rikyrah

    Two Parts of the Con

    By mistermix November 9th, 2012

    I’ve always thought that there was something fishy about the GOP’s GOTV and advertising operations. We’d hear every cycle that a massive, highly effective GOTV operation was cranking up to make the big difference in the election, but I never saw clear evidence of what, exactly, that operation was. Ads are a little more transparent. From the financial disclosure forms I’ve seen, it was clear that Republican consultants bundle charges for making and placing ads, while Democratic consultants make the ads and then the candidate pays for airtime in a separate transaction.

    With GOTV, I suspected that the Republicans mainly relied on the long-true fact that Republicans are more likely to vote on their own than Democrats. With ads, I thought that there was a huge incentive for consultants to crank out formulaic crap ads and place them indiscriminately to pocket as much money as possible.

    Unless the Romney campaign is far less competent that previous ones, my suspicions about the GOP GOTV operation were right and then some. This post by a Republican poll worker (via OTB) is just a catalog of failure at every point. Lists were emailed as 60 page attachments the night before the election, poll workers weren’t certified for their precincts, a mobile “app” that was supposed to revolutionize the operation didn’t work, and the net result was this motivated poll worker couldn’t work on election day.

    As for the consultants, even a writer at the conservative Breitbart says this (via Jay Rosen):

    [...] The left thinks the Republican party is beholden to its billionaire donors. Actually, the Republican party treats these donors as easy marks. The party is actually beholden to a small cadre of political consultants and media buyers who exert total control over the party’s messaging and outreach.
    All institutional arms of the Republican party have lists of “approved” vendors and consultants. If a campaign doesn’t use someone from this list, the party will threaten to withhold financial support. If consultants on this list were competent, it wouldn’t be such a problem, but the “approved” consultants tend to produce generic, cookie-cutter campaigns. Can anyone remember a single memorable ad from a SuperPAC or GOP campaign this cycle

    http://www.balloon-juice.com/2012/11/09/two-parts-of-the-con/#comments

  • rikyrah

    Posted at 09:00 AM ET, 11/09/2012
    The Morning Plum: Dems should call GOP’s bluff on tax hikes
    By Greg Sargent
    For months, President Obama pointed out — rightly — that the single greatest obstacle to a compromise between the two parties remained their seemingly unbridgable differences over whether to raise taxes on the rich. In a campaign focused heavily on the proper moral responsibilty the most successful have to give a bit more back to the society that helped enable their good fortune, at a time when the middle class continues to take a beating, Obama repeatedly asked voters to break this “stalemate.”

    On Tuesday, they did — in Obama’s favor. Yet Republicans interpret the results very differently. They argue that the fact that they retained the House has given them a mandate to hold the line against higher tax rates on the rich. Indeed, John Boehner is now arguing that high end tax hikes have no prayer of ever passing the House.

    Putting aside the argument over the election results, what does this mean for the next few months? Today Obama is set to make a statement on the economy that will hint at how Dems plan to proceed.

    If Republicans won’t agree to budge on high end taxes, Democrats can simply do nothing, let all the Bush tax cuts expire, and allow us all to go over the fiscal cliff. As many have pointed out, while there’s no minimizing the long term risk to the economy that poses, a deal early in 2013 would prevent any real damage. Senate Dems can simply come back in 2013 with their stronger, more liberal majority and vote on restoring just the middle class tax cuts. As David Dayen noted recently, they can vote on the Obama tax cuts for the middle class.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line

    • TyrenM

      Talk your ass off Speaker Lush. Then, come to Daddy.

      • qosine

        “Come to Daddy.” lol That’s so right.

      • BoomerGal

        LOL!! Absoluely! Cause guess who has political capital now?!!

        • http://oldhollywood.net/ woody45

          Bingo! And Johnny Orange and McTurtle know it. They better run to the table now or get humiliated when PBO drags them there.

    • LV

      I beleive this fiscal cliff crap like I believed that bull about the crash we were having when the clock turned to 2000. None. It’s amazing how supposedly smart people buy bull. The only thing happening is we are returning to Clinton tax rates. Stocks may go down breifly because they won’t like, but they will get over it.

  • rikyrah

    Obamacare Is Coming

    Kate Pickert outlines the next steps:

    [G]overnors will soon decide whether to set up their own health insurance marketplaces to regulate individual and small business health plans. Many Republican governors had held off making this call until after the election. States that opt not to set up exchanges will open the door for the federal government to run them instead. Thanks to a part of the Supreme Court Obamacare ruling that left the law’s large Medicaid expansion as optional instead of mandatory for states, governors and state legislatures will also have to decide whether to widen eligibility for the public insurance program. (Here’s a reliable timeline of Obamacare provisions and when they are scheduled to go into effect.) As Phil Galewitz reported for Kaiser Health News, some state-based Republicans may be persuaded to get on board with such pieces of the law now that it’s definitely staying on the books

    http://andrewsullivan.thedailybeast.com/

    • GN

      This may be petty, but I’m still pissed off at Sully’s behavior during the elections, especially his behavior after the first debate. Kind of tired of the same people falling into hysterics and then acting like nothing happened, rather than trying to train themselves to have more patience and discipline. I saw some normally panicky people make that effort but Sully wasn’t one them.

      • nepat

        This. I had been reading Andrew Sullivan since he launched his blog many years ago (mainly because he was the only mainstream journalist at the time who had one), and his performance after that first debate was so irrational and over-the-top that I finally gave up. There’s something wrong in the circuitry in that guy. Things just don’t add up. He continuously pats himself on the back for his independence, but that “independence” is just an artful cover for a fundamental confusion. His continued insistence on referring to Obama as a Republican is infuriating. Mitt Romney is a Republican. Sarah Palin is a Republican. Sheldon Adelson is a Republican. Rush Limbaugh is a Republican. Ann Coulter is a Republican. Paul Ryan is a Republican. Barack Obama is no Republican.

        He undermines the cause of liberalism daily by trying to recast every liberal policy idea as “conservatism” – if only other conservatives understood what conservatism really means. His doublespeak and equivocating aren’t marks of an independent thinker, they’re marks of a confused and emotional one. I’ve finally given up.

        Oh, and, Andrew, I really don’t give a good god damn what David Frum, Meghan McArdle or Conor Friesdorf think about anything.

        • qosine

          Yes!!!

        • jds09

          He lost me with that IQ bullshit he was running.

          • PBomb

            You and me—> right here…

            He’s one of the main twits who pushed the Bell Curve theory as legitimate science. I can’t take him seriously anymore.

        • nellcote

          Sully is a drama queen and a conservative (strange how often those two go together) that has bamboozled the msm into thinking he’s an independent thinker.

        • gc

          I saw him on Colbert, so here goes GC diagnosing a person she’s never met. He’s hyperactive narcissistic nut job who speaks about as coherently as MR.

      • AxelFoley

        Exactly. Sully can go jump in the lake.

    • qosine

      Gee, Andrew Sullivan, while you were indulging in public histrionics, all this info has been readily available on HHS gov site. I’ve been reading the email updates since the law passed.

      Also, I really doubt state governors will turn down the 100% graduated to 90% subsidy from the feds for Medicaid.

  • rikyrah

    Wisconsin’s Ron Johnson laments ignorance
    By Steve Benen

    Fri Nov 9, 2012 9:19 AM EST.

    Among Republicans, there are competing explanations for what went wrong in the 2012 elections, but Sen. Ron Johnson (R-Wis.) has reached his own conclusion: Americans just aren’t sharp enough to appreciate the far-right message.

    Johnson attributed Obama’s win on the heels of those Republican gains in Wisconsin to an uninformed electorate who voted in this election but not in the [Scott] Walker recall.

    “If you aren’t properly informed, if you don’t understand the problems facing this nation, you are that much more prone to falling prey to demagoguing solutions. And the problem with demagoguing solutions is they don’t work,” Johnson said.

    http://maddowblog.msnbc.com/_news/2012/11/09/15048850-wisconsins-ron-johnson-laments-ignorance?lite

    • conlakappa

      Hey, bone-ignorant hicks whose bone-ignorance we’ve been encouraging too much, you’re still too stupid to get our message!

      They really cannot not show contempt for people, can they?

      • http://oldhollywood.net/ woody45

        And the hicks take it and say thank you Senator, Rush, Sean, Sarah and Michelle. Can we have another?

    • GN

      Horseshit.

    • qosine

      Look Johnson, we’re informed. That’s your problem.

    • Alma98

      I can’t stand this grifter who lives off his wife’s money. He’s the next tea party member that we have kick to the curb next year.

    • BoomerGal

      Bottom line: your ideology is fucked up! It’s just that simple.

    • nellcote

      When you’ve dissed every other group in America, there’s no one left to diss but ignorant white people. Another gooper lifts the curtain.

  • GreenLadyHere

    POU FAM – - -Missed THIS – –BWAHAHA – - –

    – — -Christie calls Obama to congratulate, emails Romney condolences – -

    – –New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie said that he had called President Obama to congratulate him on his win in the 2012 presidential election — but has only sent an email to Mitt Romney, the Republican nominee for whom he campaigned heavily earlier this year.

    “We didn’t have a political strategy discussion,” Christie said of his call to Obama, according to Bloomberg. “I said congratulations on your win last night Mr. President, he said thank you governor.”

    Christie added that he had sent an email to Romney on Wednesday night.

    “We haven’t spoken on the phone yet,” he continued.
    THERE IS MORE

    – - -THIS IS -A – –GLOAT!! LOL

    • BoomerGal

      I’m not sure I heard this correctly. Did someone on the msm say Romney was selling his house in CA.? If so, he’s probably going to sell the one in New Hampshire, too.

      • Town

        I heard that a Romney adviser claimed he was going to fade away to his house in California. I figure he will probably sell all of his East Coast properties and homes and stay in CA or UT.

        • BoomerGal

          I really don’t care but I guess we’ll find out soon enough. Thanks Town.

        • jds09

          San Diego County (Mitt’s La Jolla property) went blue for PBO. And former democratic congressman Bob Filner is our mayor. LOL

        • jds09

          San Diego County (Mitt’s La Jolla property) went blue for PBO. And former democratic congressman Bob Filner is our mayor. LOL

      • qosine

        The house with the elevator for cars?

      • Kadijo

        And the one in MI, and in MA. HEE HEE HEE

      • GreenLadyHere

        HEEY BoomerGal. ***BIG HUG*** :>)

        - — -Saw some info on “house sellin’”.- — -But not a major headline. I’ll look. –

        BUT- – -HE ain’t hurtin’- — -’CAUSE- — -

        - —HE’s STILL HIDIN’ –$$$$$$!- –

        Annnd we NEVA – -got 2 C —HIS TAX REPORTS!!- -humph!

        Maybe there will B an investigation of —”JOHN Q -CITIZEN”- – -HAH — – -HE LOST!!! —BWAHAHA!!

        Good 2 c U – -BoomerGal. :>)

        • BoomerGal

          Thanks GLH! BIG HUG BACK!!! Luv reading your posts!!

          Indeed, he LOST and I can’t stop grinning!!!

          • GreenLadyHere

            Awww — -BoomerGal. U R 2 KIND. :>)

            – –LOSER!! LOL

  • GN

    I’ve been reading more about this failure of the Orca GOTV system for the Republicans and the story is starting to develop into horse manure. I’m seeing claims that the failure of this one web-based system (which was basically an electronic version of strike lists) lost the election. First of all, what’s most striking in this story is not that a website crashed, but (a) the incompetence of the Romney campaign in preparing their poll volunteers; and (b) the willingness of the Romney campaign to allegedly lie to said volunteers about problems with Orca. Technical systems fail all of the time. Romney lost because he was outmatched by a brilliant community organizer who made a persuasive case for American values.

    • Miranda

      Romney lost because he was outmatched by a brilliant community organizer who made a persuasive case for American values.
      _____________________________

      that and the reason my Mama said:

      God dont like ugly.

      • http://oldhollywood.net/ woody45

        They still ain’t figured out they were never going to win.

        • conlakappa

          When just showing up white goes wrong…

    • http://twitter.com/worldwatcher7 M.M.

      “Technical systems fail all of the time. Romney lost because he was outmatched by a brilliant community organizer who made a persuasive case for American values.”

      So true. I can’t tell you how frustrated I got with the predictive dialing system during this campaign. But whenever there was a glitch someone was there to five support or direct us to an alternative activity. A well-organized campaign can deal with technological problems. And if volunteers are truly inspired, they’re willing to work past glitches.

      • TyrenM

        Right on. WW7, going incognegro today?

        • Alma98

          LOL!

      • http://oldhollywood.net/ woody45

        Punks always blame anything and anyone else after they get their butts kicked.

    • nellcote

      Here’s an account by one of the workers actually trying to use Orca:
      [...]
      On one of the last conference calls (I believe it was on Saturday night), they told us that our packets would be arriving shortly. Now, there seemed to be a fair amount of confusion about what they meant by “packet”. Some people on Twitter were wondering if that meant a packet in the mail or a pdf or what. Finally, my packet arrived at 4PM on Monday afternoon as an emailed 60 page pdf. Nothing came in the mail. Because I was out most of the day, I only got around to seeing it at around 10PM Monday night. So, I sat down and cursed as I would have to print out 60+ pages of instructions and voter rolls on my home printer. Naturally, for reasons I can’t begin to comprehend, my printer would not print in black and white with an empty magenta cartridge (No HP, I will never buy another one of your products ever again). So, at this point I became panicked. I was expected to be at the polls at 6:45AM and nothing was open. I was thankfully able to find a Kinko’s open until 11PM that was able to print it out and bind it for me, but this is not something I should have had to do. They expected 75-80 year old veteran volunteers to print out 60+ pages on their home computers? The night before election day? From what I hear, other people had similar experiences. In fact, many volunteers never received their packets at all.
      [...]

      It’s a real horror story. Politics aside I have a teeny, tiny amount of sympathy for them. Read the whole thing:

      http://ace.mu.nu/archives/334783.php

      • Alma98

        This what happens when you try to steal PBO’s idea, karma.

      • conlakappa

        They were just copying OFA terms. Packets were big for us in the final couple of weeks.

  • GN

    Why did President Obama win? Perhaps because he inherited the worst economic disaster this side of the Great Depression and turned it into this:

    @Reuters:
    U.S. consumer sentiment hits five-year high in November http://reut.rs/Q1NIWg

  • Miranda

    *snicker*………this gonna be good.

    Michael Steele‏@Steele_Michael
    Say what you want about our spending while running the RNC, at least we won elections. THAT’S what I call an ROI.

    • jds09

      He’s not a dumb as I thought. lol

      • nellcote

        a case of dumb and dumber.

    • TyrenM

      Steele looking for some getback. A shady “brotha” throwing shade. lmao.

    • http://themidnightsolution.blogspot.com LTMidnight

      Oh I was waiting for him to mention this. HA!

    • AxelFoley

      I was gonna say. I saw on CNN’s chyron that Rinse Penis is mulling over whether to stay as RNC chairman, but this mofo got his ass handed to him and Steele at least had the GOP win the House during his tenure.

      White privilege, Mikey. You should know, being a Republican and all.

  • GN

    @ZandarVTS:
    To recap, Dems gained 6 House seats, 2 Senate seats, Obama reelected. How is this in any way a “mandate” for the GOP?

    • nellcote

      Boner is really pissing me off with his fiscal talk. It’s basically Rmoney’s plan. RMONEY LOST ASSHOLE!

      • http://oldhollywood.net/ woody45

        As they say on Last of The Summer Wine it’s all gob. Boehner is trying to pretend the inevitable does not exist namely that PBO has no leverage. What you hear is his hangover talking.

  • qosine

    Love, love these photos.

  • GreenLadyHere

    - – -GOOD 3RD DAY– -VICTORY MORNTIN’- -ALEXANDER2!! — –***BIG HUG*** :>)- – -

    - —WOW&1/2!!!- – - -WHAT a – –”CREATIVE –COMPREHENSIVE — -COLLAGE!! – - -

    – - –MY FAV!: — The “fist bump”.- –***tears*** annnd ***smiles**- -
    He’s a 100% — of da PEOPLE- -PRESIDENT!!- – -Woo! Hoo!! :>)

    - — -Annnnd – -WE R STILL- — -FIRED UP —As WE Move — -FORWARD!!- – - —>- –:>)

    - — THANK U 4 THIS — -EXCITING- – -INSPIRING SERIES. – -

    Have a – -WONDERful DAY. :>) – –

  • GN

    As pbomb noted earlier in the week, Sam Wang at the Princeton Election Consortium is an expert election predictor who is more accurate than Nate Silver. For this cycle, he predicted 10 out of 10 close senate races correctly (compared to Silver’s 8 out of 10) and predicted President Obama’s popular vote win exactly, to a tenth of a percentage point. Going forward, I’m skipping the beltway media entirely and parking myself at Princeton’s site during close elections.

    http://election.princeton.edu/2012/11/07/after-the-storm/

    • nellcote

      I think it’s sort of cute the way Nate is getting his moment in the sun. I remember when he was posting as poblano years ago on Kos. Hopefully between PEC and Nate, math will finally get some respect. Though I note that the msm is still trying to conflate polling and analysis.

    • PBomb

      Another professor who got the numbers right since June was Drew Linzer from Emory University. Apparently his models configured the EV to be 332 back in June. It’s on his site Votomatic.

      Drew Linzer: The stats man who predicted Obama’s win

      Pundits insisted the presidential race was a toss-up, but “polling aggregators” – who analyse polls to make predictions – were being criticised for favouring President Obama. Not any more.

      In September we called Drew Linzer, an assistant professor of political science at Emory University, to ask for his predictions for the upcoming US presidential election.

      Linzer runs the website Votamatic, which uses current election polls and past historical trends to predict the outcome of major elections. He gave the same prediction he had been posting on his site since 23 June.

      Obama 332 votes, Romney 206.
      Read the rest here:http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-20246741

    • PBomb

      Another professor who got the numbers right since June was Drew Linzer from Emory University. Apparently his models configured the EV to be 332 back in June. It’s on his site Votomatic.

      Drew Linzer: The stats man who predicted Obama’s win

      Pundits insisted the presidential race was a toss-up, but “polling aggregators” – who analyse polls to make predictions – were being criticised for favouring President Obama. Not any more.

      In September we called Drew Linzer, an assistant professor of political science at Emory University, to ask for his predictions for the upcoming US presidential election.

      Linzer runs the website Votamatic, which uses current election polls and past historical trends to predict the outcome of major elections. He gave the same prediction he had been posting on his site since 23 June.

      Obama 332 votes, Romney 206.
      Read the rest here:http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-20246741

    • nepat

      Wang kept me sane in the final weeks, when the MSM was carrying water for Romney.

  • GN

    @BarackObama
    “What Bobby Kennedy called the ripples of hope that come out when you throw a stone in a lake—that’s going to be you.” http://OFA.BO

    I love that President Obama cited RFK during his beautiful thank you to supporters; so appropriate that the most talented community organizer in the country was finally able to successfully assemble the coalition which RFK dreamed about.

  • GreenLadyHere

    ALEXANDER2- – - – -Missed THESE — -PEOPLE ALL OVA Da WORLD – — STILL WANNA – –CONGRATULATE – –MR. PRESIDENT!! — :>) — -

    - – -The World Reacts To The Presidential Election- –

    - — Some newspapers missed their deadline Wednesday. Here’s the best of the rest. — -YES! — – -THEY! – — -DO! –:>) – -

    - — His – -FOREIGN POLICY CREDS R – — -OUTTA DIS WORLD!! :>)- — -LOL

    • AxelFoley

      LOLOLOLOLOLOL

  • GN

    Please note it’s only 11:30am:

    @DAOWENS44
    boner on my tv. drunk as a skunk lying his ass off

  • Alma98

    Good morning pou peeps!

    • sagittarius

      Morning, Alma!

      • Alma98

        Morning sag!

  • sagittarius

    Good morning, POU Fam!

  • aleth

    Is it irrational that I am just happy? Just freaking loving this moment. This is all our moment, So excited for next 4 with immigration reform, tax code reform, job act etc

    Just smiling

    • nellcote

      I feel 100 pounds lighter and my pre-ulcer has receeded so yeah, Happy Dance!

  • qosine

    Good Morning aleth, sagittarius, and Alma!

    • Alma98

      Morning qosine

  • rikyrah

    Ohio’s GOP Secretary of State Already Has A Plan To Rig The 2016 Election For Republicans

    http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2012/11/09/1169761/ohios-gop-secretary-of-state-already-has-a-plan-to-rig-the-2016-election-for-republicans/

    Last year, Pennsylvania’s Republican Gov. Tom Corbett proposed rigging the Electoral College vote in his state through a plan that would have given the majority of the state’s electors to Romney even after President Obama carried the state. Under Corbett’s plan, the winner of each congressional district within Pennsylvania would receive a single electoral vote, and the overall winner of the state would receive an additional two electoral votes. Had this plan been in place last Tuesday, Mitt Romney would likely have won 13 of the state’s 20 electoral votes, despite losing the state overall by more than five points.

    Corbett’s election-rigging plan died, largely because Republican members of Congress in Pennsylvania feared that it would cause the Obama campaign to shift resources into their districts and endanger their own chances of being reelected. Now, however, Ohio Secretary of State Jon Husted (R)– who spent much of 2012 inventing ways to prevent pro-Obama votes from being cast or counted — wants to revive this election rigging scheme. According to the Ohio political blog Plunderbund,

    • Town

      The EmoWhiners at Balloon Juice are whining that Obama, OFA etc need to organize and do something about this.

      I replied YOU need to organize YOURSELVES. If you are in Ohio and you know Husted is doing shady shit, organize YO’SELF to put him in check.

      But no, the EmoWhiners will sit back and throw tantrums and whine in Obama’s ear and let Husted get away with it just like they all sat around with crossed arms and let Scott, Kasich, PA Gov etc. get away with their voter suppression schemes.

      • dannie22

        im not worried about husted. he’ll be voted out in 2014

      • http://themidnightsolution.blogspot.com LTMidnight

        I swear these emos can’t wipe their asses unless PBO create a 10 step plan to show them how.

        • http://oldhollywood.net/ woody45

          Warn me when you say stuff like that.

      • GN

        I have huge faith in the people of Ohio. Husted et al did not learn their lesson apparently because the voter suppression tactics created a backlash which greatly helped President Obama’s reelection. I can see this new scheme backfiring in so many ways.

      • Tafr

        These assholes still have not a damn clue. When that voter ID crap was going down black folks organized to help people get ID’s. There was none of this “oh will PBO save us” nonsense. T

        The unicorn left have quite a bit of work to do to repair what they help to create in 2010. They want to blame someone how about they start with no other than special Ed. It was their media darlings that told those idiots not to vote.

        The unicorn left also has work to do within the black community.We know that the disrespect for this president came from the right and the left.

        Living in WA state I see this attitude all the time. White progressives who think they are so much smarter than everyone else especially black folks.

        As caribou Barbie would say how’s that sitting out in 2010 working out for ya! It sure did not keep black folks from going to the polls, standing in 8 hour lines. They think they are so much smarter than PBO then they need to get off their snarky asses and fix the issue.

        • TyrenM

          Tafr. U, ME. Right here. Start with Ed Schultz “sit this one out” shit. Work your way back to Ed Rendell. Looking around, they’re begging for Hillary already.

          I like your Senator Patty Murray. I remember when she arrived in “92 “Year of the Woman.” When I visited Seattle in “10, WA was like Seattle Patty, rest of state not so much. Seeing all the people that ran from DS Re-election Committee, I like her more for doing the damn thang.

          Back to your point, point the whiners to one Nina Turner.

          • Tafr

            Yes TryrenM Patty worked her ass off for this president. I remember the Clinton folks giving her hell during the primaries. She has stood behind the president from the start.

            Ed Rendell may eventually get his white president. However, Rendell and the rest of them clowns better not underestimate the black community. If they think they are going to get away with treating this president like the help well they got another thing coming. We will never forget their nonsense.

          • Tafr

            Yes TryrenM Patty worked her ass off for this president. I remember the Clinton folks giving her hell during the primaries. She has stood behind the president from the start.

            Ed Rendell may eventually get his white president. However, Rendell and the rest of them clowns better not underestimate the black community. If they think they are going to get away with treating this president like the help well they got another thing coming. We will never forget their nonsense.

        • qosine

          The Unicorn Left – the one horned ones.

    • Alma98

      Hell no!

  • GreenLadyHere

    ALEXANDER2- — –LOL – - – -Uhhhhhh- – -2 L8!!- — -

    - –Top Republicans Suddenly Back Immigration Reform After Latinos Overwhelmingly Back Obama- -

    - – — When Democrats tried to get the DREAM Act and a path to citizenship for young undocumented immigrants through Congress in 2010, Republicans blocked the immigration reform measure in the Senate. But after a campaign in which GOP presidential candidate Mitt Romney staked out harsh anti-immigration positions, and with President Obama winning 75 percent of Latino voters, several key leaders in the Republican party are coming out in favor of immigration reform:

    House Speaker John Boehner (OH): Saying the issue has been around for far too long, Boehner said in an ABC interview that “I’m confident that the president, myself, others can find the common ground to take care of this issue once and for all.”

    Former Gov. Haley Barbour (MS): Haley argued on the “Today” show that Republicans need to be in favor of good policy. “And good policy on immigration in the United States is, we are in a global battle for capital and labor, and we need to have what is good economic policy for America on immigration because we do need labor,” he said. “We not only need Ph.Ds in science and technology, we need skilled workers and we need unskilled workers. And we need to have an immigration policy that is good economic policy, and then — and then the politics will take care of itself.”

    Radio host Sean Hannity: On his radio show Thursday, Hannity told his listeners that he has “evolved” on immigration policy and now supports a “pathway to citizenship.”– — HAH! — -CARE!!- –SNIP — --
    THERE IS MORE

    - – -PUH-LEEZE!! – – -AIN’T NOBODY- –FALLIN’- –4 da — -”OKIE-DOKE!!” –HAH!!!

    Jus’ PLAN- – 2 DROP da – — OBSTRUCTION on his:- FISCAL PLANS- — SCOTUS APPOINTMENTS — JUDGES APPOINTMENTS – — ETC!- -

    • http://oldhollywood.net/ woody45

      Leverage. And so it begins.

    • http://oldhollywood.net/ woody45

      Leverage. And so it begins.

  • nellcote

    Strange cover on the new Business Week

    http://i.huffpost.com/gen/851769/original.jpg

    • Town

      They must not have heard “black don’t crack”. Obama’s hair might be gray (which he can fix with some “Just For Men”) but his face won’t be cracked like that. Mandela’s like 93 years old and doesn’t look like that.

      • GN

        I like the salt and pepper hair. POTUS is fine as hell (the entire First Family is the best looking we’ve had in some time actually, to be superficial).

        With the way that President Obama ethered the national media on Tuesday, the shade and the butthurt are quite delicious to observe.

        • qosine

          I knooooowwwww . . . loving it.

        • conlakappa

          ZOMG, I keep forgetting to tell you all about the perfect symbol of butthurt I saw while walking to the Metro on Wednesday morning: an empty box of Preparation H. No, I am not lying or kidding! You know I cackled like a loon upon seeing it!

    • Alma98

      I think it’s ridiculous, like town said black don’t crack. They must not have many older black folks as friends. My mom is 79 and her skin is as smooth as butte.

    • qosine

      PBO is a handsome man. He’ll never look like that. Give me a break.
      Plus, he’s a smiling guy, and he NEVER scrunches his face like that now. No matter how the media tries to put up a “bad face” pic, PBO always looks handsome. Ha!

    • ch555x

      LMAO…maybe in 40 yrs!

      O_o

    • GOVCHRIS1988

      Good God. Barack Obama is 51. He looks like he’s 45 now. Trust me, he wouldn’t even look like that at 81.

  • GN

    Reading through thepeoplesview.net archives after the fact, it never ceases to amaze me just how spot-on deaniac has been. And he did an AMAZING job challenging Nate Silver to leave the beltway “narrative” behind and simply report the numbers. For example, here’s an October 15th piece in which deaniac pointed out that the national polls were using likely voter models which grossly underestimated voters of color and thus the state polls were far more accurate indicators” http://www.thepeoplesview.net/2012/10/nate-silvers-mythical-state-national.html

    For as much attention and acclaim as Silver is getting (as well as selling copies of his book), when the national media was determined to dismiss reality in favor of polls with erroneous assumptions, people like deaniac asked to see the receipts and made persuasive cases for more truth and accuracy in poll reporting. Hat’s off to him.

    • AxelFoley

      Deaniac needs to run for office.

  • Alma98

    Be back in few, off to buy groceries we’re down to snacks lol.

  • http://pragmaticobotsunite.blogspot.com/ Sepia

    We will be live streaming PBO’s speech on the economy starting at 1pm EST!

  • BoomerGal

    HEY!!! My “like” button is on the fritz!! WTH??

  • GreenLadyHere

    ALEXANDER2- – - -COMEDIC TRUTH!! [Some cause R MISSIN'- -Like - - -da "JEEP" LIE!!] – — HAH!- — -

    — –Cartoons of the Day- Why They Lost- – - – -LOL

  • GreenLadyHere

    ALEXANDER2- — -BWAHAHA- —FAUX-noise — -STILL MAD!! LOL- —

    - – - –Fox News Claims Obama’s Win Triggered ‘Massive Layoffs Across America’- – -

    - — -According to Fox News’ Fox Nation website, the re-election of President Obama has triggered a wave of layoffs across the country. Fox Nation is featuring the claim prominently on its website (screenshot above). The evidence? One Utah company owned by a prominent Romney supporter has decided to lay off workers in the wake of election day:

    A Utah coal company owned by a vocal critic of President Barack Obama has laid off 102 miners.

    The layoffs at the West Ridge Mine are effective immediately, according to UtahAmerican Energy Inc., a subsidiary of Murray Energy Corp. They were announced in a short statement made public Thursday, two days after Obama won re-election.

    The layoffs are necessary because of the president’s “war on coal,” the statement said. The slogan is one used frequently during the election by Murray Energy CEO Robert Murray, who was an ardent supporter of Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney.

    Fox also linked to a series of other unrelated layoff stories, including those announcing layoffs in other countries, as if they proved the point. There are hiring and firings at firms all the time, and Fox presented no evidence that these layoffs were either related to the election or unusual in any sense.
    THERE IS MORE — – -LYIN’!!- — LOL

    - — -BUT — -THIS IS- – -TRUTH!!_ — -

    - — -Update

    One of the laid off workers took to Reddit today to answer questions. He said, “Despite the fact that nothing has changed in the two days since the election they decide to lay off employees. I’ve seen how corrupt the company can be over the years and am fairly certain the layoffs are just a way to make the President look bad.”- — -TELL – - -IT!! — HAH!

  • GreenLadyHere

    ALEXANDER2- — -BWAHAHA- —FAUX-noise — -STILL MAD!! LOL- —

    - – - –Fox News Claims Obama’s Win Triggered ‘Massive Layoffs Across America’- – -

    - — -According to Fox News’ Fox Nation website, the re-election of President Obama has triggered a wave of layoffs across the country. Fox Nation is featuring the claim prominently on its website (screenshot above). The evidence? One Utah company owned by a prominent Romney supporter has decided to lay off workers in the wake of election day:

    A Utah coal company owned by a vocal critic of President Barack Obama has laid off 102 miners.

    The layoffs at the West Ridge Mine are effective immediately, according to UtahAmerican Energy Inc., a subsidiary of Murray Energy Corp. They were announced in a short statement made public Thursday, two days after Obama won re-election.

    The layoffs are necessary because of the president’s “war on coal,” the statement said. The slogan is one used frequently during the election by Murray Energy CEO Robert Murray, who was an ardent supporter of Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney.

    Fox also linked to a series of other unrelated layoff stories, including those announcing layoffs in other countries, as if they proved the point. There are hiring and firings at firms all the time, and Fox presented no evidence that these layoffs were either related to the election or unusual in any sense.
    THERE IS MORE — – -LYIN’!!- — LOL

    - — -BUT — -THIS IS- – -TRUTH!!_ — -

    - — -Update

    One of the laid off workers took to Reddit today to answer questions. He said, “Despite the fact that nothing has changed in the two days since the election they decide to lay off employees. I’ve seen how corrupt the company can be over the years and am fairly certain the layoffs are just a way to make the President look bad.”- — -TELL – - -IT!! — HAH!

    • http://oldhollywood.net/ woody45

      It won’t belong before one of the Fox anchors comes on the air and says “I got nothing.”

  • GN

    Pretty neat:

    @naheitzeg
    Buddhist, Hindu Make History With Elections To Congress http://shar.es/GsU8K via @sharethis #FORWARD

  • qosine

    The Presidential Pen is waiting, Boehner.

  • GreenLadyHere

    ALEXANDER2 – - – -THANK U – - -”Ride or Die VP Joe”- – -

    - – - -Quote of the Day- –

    — “There’s plenty of time to think about 2016. We’ve got to get this economy working. If three years from now the economy is not working, it’s not going to be worth doing much. This is all about making Barack an incredibly successful second-term president. That’s my focus.”

    – Vice President Joe Biden, quoted by the Wilmington News Journal, on whether he’ll run for president in 2016. - — -

    - -4-EVA- – LOYAL.- – - – - -:>)

  • Miranda

    Afternoon thread is up!