November 21, 2017

Friday Open Thread: The Black Madonna and Child


We continue our series on The Black Madonna and Child….


Rocamadour, France


From All About Mary:

According to an old legend the statue was carved by St Amator, who is identified with Zacchaeus, the tax collector of Jericho mentioned in Luke 19:1-10. The same legend reports that he was the husband of St Veronica, who wiped Jesus’ face on the way to Calvary, and that they preached the Gospel together in Gaul.

  • dannie22

    good morning everyone!

  • Farrod

    Good morning Dannie, fam…

    BTW, dude over on Jack and Jill (JCWpolitics) is SMOKING RobM…

    • Miranda

      LOL, that was fun reading. Thanks!

    • What post? I swear RobM drinks a whole bottle of MD 20/20 before he posts.

      • Farrod

        Fools Gold, LT

  • Miranda

    This is NOT the Onion, this is actually the fool’s tweet:

    Grover Norquist‏@GroverNorquist
    We had an election Boehner was elected speaker. Now lame duck obama should get over it. (Also 30 GOP governors)

    • Town

      lame duck obama


      This is going to be the MSM meme for the next four years, that Obama is a lame duck and shouldn’t get his way.

      • jds09

        This meme will serve a similar function as the voter suppression bullshit, the moving of the goal posts another disrespect of this president. Folks will not forget this either.

  • rikyrah

    Good Morning, Everyone 🙂

  • rikyrah

    Coming to grips with who won (and who didn’t) in 2012
    By Steve Benen
    Fri Dec 28, 2012 8:35 AM EST.

    Grover Norquist gave voice last night to a sentiment that’s been surprisingly common over the last several weeks. It is, to be sure, a transparently dumb sentiment, but the idea keeps popping up anyway.

    Grover Norquist‏@GroverNorquist
    We had an election Boehner was elected speaker. Now lame duck obama should get over it. (Also 30 GOP governors)

    Hmm. In the mind of this influential uber-lobbyist, Republicans had a great election cycle, so President Obama should just “get over it.” In context, this is presumably in reference to the ongoing fiscal talks, in which Norquist apparently thinks the GOP should get its way since John Boehner was “elected Speaker.”

    In case anyone is confused enough to take this argument seriously, let’s set the record straight.

    Boehner, for example, was “elected Speaker” by the electorate. The Speaker is chosen by House members, and in this specific case, we don’t yet know with certainty that Boehner will prevail.

    But let’s put that aside, because it’s not really the point. Rather, the national election results speak for themselves: President Obama, whom Republicans fully expected to defeat, won fairly easily, earning 332 electoral votes, and becoming the first president since Eisenhower — and only the sixth president in American history — to win at least 51% of the popular vote twice.

  • Miranda

    OK, this made me LOL

    Jesse Taylor‏@jesseltaylor
    I may steal this service dog because it’s adorable and sometimes I just don’t feel like watching where I’m going.

  • rikyrah

    Giving the appearance of movement in fiscal talks
    By Steve Benen
    Fri Dec 28, 2012 8:00 AM EST

    It’s been about a week since House Speaker John Boehner’s “Plan B” fiasco left congressional Republicans divided and directionless, and since then, there hasn’t been so much as a hint of progress in the larger fiscal process. With looming deadlines just a few days away, there have been literally no efforts to even try to reach a resolution.

    That’s about to change. The Senate is already back in session, and House members will start reaching DC soon for a Sunday session. What’s more, for good or ill, we’ll at least see the appearance of movement among top officials today.

  • rikyrah

    Elections have consequences…this is what happens when you don’t get out to vote.


    Maine goes broke, gov wants more tax cuts
    By Laura Conaway
    Thu Dec 27, 2012 6:00 PM EST

    Last year Maine Governor Paul LePage signed the largest tax cuts in his state’s history, saying it would be good for business and the economy. Today, facing a river of red ink, the Republican governor ordered $35.5 million in immediate spending cuts, a third of that in funding for education. The shortfall now comes from corporate and sales taxes coming in lower than expected.

    It’s still more money than LePage wanted for government. During the election, he argued for yet more tax cuts:

    “I think the state of Maine should have no corporate tax at all and that the United States of America should be around 20 percent,” he said. “Then we could compete worldwide.

    That position proved unpopular with voters, who picked Democrats and their campaign against LePage’s tax policies. Democrats won control of the state legislature, but not with a veto-proof majority. That means spending cuts like the “temporary” ones announced today could become a more permanent feature of governance. Starting this summer, Maine faces the loss of $400 million in revenue over the next two years — all from the cuts LePage signed in 2011.

    • morphus

      Although it wasn’t surprising, a recent study concludes that state economies suffer dire consequences when their “leaders” follow Norquist’s no-tax pledge and/or strictly follow ALEC’s economic model.

      • conlakappa

        As their corporate overlords are further enriched by providing the avenues of things being privatized. Or the whole low-tax-for-corporations thing.

  • Miranda

    I can’t be the only lil black child that loved Dolly Parton’s “Jolene.” Gotta admit, Miley did a good job. I love this song.

    • sagittarius

      Hey, Miranda!

      Dolly worked this song. The percussion arrangements on the original were my everything.

  • rikyrah

    What bipartisan outreach looks like

    By Steve Benen
    Fri Dec 28, 2012 9:13 AM EST

    Rep. Steven LaTourette (R) of Ohio is wrapping up his 18-year career, and as he heads for the exits, the congressman — a Republican moderate by 2012 standards — is sharing some interesting insights as he reflects on what’s become of Capitol Hill.

    For example, LaTourette chatted with Dave Weigel about his party’s confusion about earmarks, his caucus’ unfortunate preoccupation with abortion votes, and the mistaken impeachment crusade against President Clinton in 1998. But this was the quote that stood out for me:

    “Between 1996 and 1998 you get welfare reform, you kick out a major highway bill. You get a lot of good work done, and it was because Bill Clinton was willing to triangulate the Democrats. He’d actually reach out and talk to us. This president doesn’t work with us at all.

    I hear this quite a bit from Republicans: President Obama just hasn’t worked hard enough to reach out to, and work with, his GOP rivals in Congress. And every time I come across the argument, I desperately want Republicans to explain what in the world they’re talking about.

    Let’s say it’s 2009, you’re President Obama, you ran on a platform of bringing people together, and you’re serious about following through on this commitment. What would you do? Maybe you’d appoint Republicans to key positions in your administration; you’d reach out for regular face-to-face meetings with Republican lawmakers; and you’d incorporate Republican ideas into your proposals on health care, foreign policy, energy, immigration, and education.

    Except, Obama did all of those things. It didn’t work.

    • Town

      This president doesn’t work with us at all.


      • jds09

        And he doesn’t make us feel good about our choices. We want our strokes!

    • TresL

      Clinton gave them a lot of what they wanted and they thanked him by investigating him and Hillary non-stopped, ultimately impeaching him. I guess LaTourette forgot those little tid-bits and that until PBO they hated Bill and Hillary with the heat of a thousand suns but they’re so good good at delusion, revisionist history and lying that they are able to say all manner of things without ever acknowledging the irony or even a hint of shame.

    • dannie22

      latourette aint shit.

  • rikyrah


    Number of uninsured Americans down to 4 year low due to #Obamacare #p2

  • rikyrah

    The Associated Press✔

    Turkish officials: Two Syrian air force generals have defected and crossed the border: – KM

  • rikyrah

    Sarah Brady@Bradytwitt

    I’m tired of hearing how well Tip O’Neill and Ronald Reagan got along. At that time there weren’t tea party obstructions in Congress.

  • rikyrah

    Starbucks’ grande confusion over the fiscal cliff

    Posted by Suzy Khimm on December 27, 2012 at 11:13 am

    Starbucks CEO Howard Schultz has become the latest corporate executive to take to a soapbox on the “fiscal cliff” as part of Maya MacGuineas’s Fix the Debt coalition. His open letter asking his baristas to write “Come together” on their D.C. customers’ cups has launched a thousand quips on Twitter. But beneath Schultz’s anodyne message lies a central confusion as to what the fiscal cliff is about in the first place.

    “As many of you know, our elected officials in Washington D.C. have been unable to come together and compromise to solve the tremendously important, time-sensitive issue to fix the national debt. You can learn more about this impending crisis at,” Schultz wrote in an open letter to his employees.

    Reading this alone, you’d get the impression that the real, time-sensitive danger that we’re facing is a debt crisis. It isn’t. The “impending crisis” that Schultz is referring to is just the opposite, as Wonkblog has explained in our admittedly futile campaign to rebrand the fiscal cliff as an “austerity crisis”—a sharp, sudden fiscal contraction that requires some measure of stimulus (be it tax cuts or spending) to ward off a recession. Congress created it in order to force action on our perceived debt crisis, which is why the deficit will go down if we go over the fiscal cliff.

  • rikyrah

    In Michigan, democracy goes like this

    By Laura Conaway
    Thu Dec 27, 2012 12:41 PM EST

    On November 6, Michigan voters rejected their state’s emergency manager law. By a margin of 52 to 48, they repealed the statute that allowed Michigan state government to take over struggling towns with a single appointed overseer. That person can then uproot the local democracy, firing elected officials, canceling union contracts, selling off the town’s assets and even moving to dissolve the town itself. The day after voters repealed that law, Governor Rick Snyder signaled that he was ready to pass a new one.

    Today, he signed it. The press release from his office includes this:

    This legislation demonstrates that we clearly heard, recognized and respected the will of the voters,” Snyder said.

    Michigan’s new emergency manager law does give towns more choices about the deal with being broken, though until some of them go through the process, there’s no way to know if those choices are really just “choices.” The new law also opens the possibility for the town firing the emergency manager after a year. And the new law is much harder for citizens to repeal than the old one, because Republicans including spending in the measure — much the way they wrote spending into the anti-union legislation passed earlier this month.

    Michigan Republicans are trying to push the replacement emergency manager law as more democratic, so long as that democracy doesn’t extend to citizens voting it down.

  • Miranda

    A really fun read!

    Mitt Romney was hesitant to reveal himself

    A Globe review finds many reasons for the presidential candidate’s failure, none greater than how slow he was to tell his own story
    By Michael Kranish | Globe Staff December 23, 2012

    To this day, Romney’s aides wonder how it all went so wrong.

    They console each other with claims that the election was much closer than realized, saying that Romney would be president if roughly 370,000 people in swing states had voted differently. Romney himself blamed demographic shifts and Obama’s “gifts”: ­federal largesse targeted to Democratic constituencies.

    But a reconstruction by the Globe of how the campaign unfolded shows that Romney’s problems went deeper than is widely understood. His campaign made a series of costly financial, strategic, and political mistakes that, in retrospect, all but assured the candidate’s defeat, given the revolutionary turnout tactics and tactical smarts of President Obama’s operation.

    full story here:

    • jds09

      These assholes are still tone deaf in defeat. Okay, so Romney admits he’s worth $250 (it’s closer to a billion) and your son draws up a list of 12 people that you have helped. Seriously. 12 people? Your average barista at Starbucks could scratch up 12 people. lol

      • conlakappa

        Note too that it is the smarts and revolution of Obama’s operation. It’s a good thing he gathered such a good team, seemingly on accident [sic] and got lucky for the eleventy billionth time in his political life.

        • Worldwatcher7

          It’s too scary for them to think of the President outsmarting them. What if there are other smart Negroes out there? (shudder).

      • BoomerGal

        Good one, jd!! LOL!!!

    • rikyrah

      this is not hard.

      I’m tired of these whiners. Let’s break it down .

      The GOP Primaries were a joke. A JOKE. They ran against amateurs and grifters, and even then, never presented an actual CASE as to why Willard should be President. They buried the GOP Clown Car with negative ads because they had more money. If just one of those grifters had actual solid financial footing, Willard never would have won.

      So, after running in that Primary, against that pathetic bunch, they actually thought that they were going to run that bullshyt on the Obama Team.

      You know the team that took down the Clintons in 2008 and got a BLACK MAN ELECTED PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES.

      Yes, that team.

      They thought, with their Citizens United Cabal, that they would just run all sorts of ads, and that would work with this President. But, you see, as usual, they couldn’t see the forest for the trees. They pretended that this President, and his entire family, hadn’t been the most disrespected President in history. They pretended that the rest of this country didn’t notice the race-based insults that had proliferated from the right from the moment Barack Obama came close to getting the Democratic Nomination in 2008. You know the saying that every cloud has silver lining – well, the lining in this case was that, there wasn’t shyt negative that Willard and the Citizens United Clown Car couldn’t unleash against the President that we hadn’t already heard in one way or another from the right wing since 2008. The only people those ads were going towards were the people who were never going to vote for the President in the first place.

      They mocked President Obama as a ‘ community organizer’. As folks pointed out the number of field offices that the President’s team was opening, and the volunteers, it was mocked by the GOP, and ignored by the MSM. They thought they wouldn’t need GOTV, because their Voter Suppression was supposed to work. They actually thought that they were going to take away the RIGHT TO VOTE FROM FIVE MILLION AMERICANS, and nobody was gonna fight that shyt. Rev. Al had a saying about this election:
      This isn’t Obama – it’s about your Mama.

      He was right in so many ways. It became less about President Obama, and even those that were on the fence about this President, weren’t on the fence about Big Mama, Daddy, Uncle Leroy, the Elders in the Church that they’ve known their entire lives. It couldn’t get more personal to have these assholes stand before cameras, saying that, of course, these laws were to stop people from voting. WE are the ones who were beaten, hozed, who had to tell the ‘ number of bubbles in a bar of soap’, and guess how many jelly beans in a jar. The reaction to James Crow, Esquire was VICERAL, and people were not playing with the GOP, or the MSM which didn’t report this story, save for a handful of people.

      They never ran a campaign – they lied about every damn thing. Steve Benen wrote FORTY-ONE fucking columns detailing Willard’s lies.


      Willard Romney ran for President officially for 6 years, and to this day, nobody could tell me WHAT was his purpose for running. They could never tell me WHY he should be President – other than he was a rich White Man. THAT is all he offered, with his race-baiting campaign. They were gonna racebait the White folks out to vote, but never thought about the flip of that – that all the non-White people in this country that held their tongue as they silently watched and seethed at the insults towards this President. Every action has an equal and opposite reaction. I still say that the numbers that shocked the hell out of them were the votes for Latinos and Asians….they were oh so ready to tell Black folks that they ‘ imagined’ the insults towards The First Family, and that we should stop being so ‘sensitive’. When pretty much ALL the non-White folks saw the same damn thing, that shut them the fuck up. Willard was their Great White Hope, cause he surely had nothing else to offer, and watching all of them on election night have to choke on it, as the President won re-election handily just made them hurt all over. To see the man triumph after they had done everything they possibly could to put the fix in…they were beside themselves.

      Willard Romney and his entire clan, were nothing but a bunch of overprivileged, entitled group of assholes who thought that they were ENTITLED to be First Family. Not understanding that, even with our republic as broken as it’s been, one is ELECTED President by THE PEOPLE. So, him, ‘ our turn’ Miss Ann, that punk azz Tagg, who thought he could open his mouth about threatening our President, can go somewhere and sit down in one of their houses.

      • Kennymack1971

        The doors of the church are now open because you sho nuff preached

        • Ebogan63

          Let the church say…AMEN.

      • Worldwatcher7

        Comment of the day week year decade gotdang century!

      • sagittarius

        Hey, rikyrah!

        As the speaker says in the video… Glory, Glory, Glory, Glory!

  • Town
    • Alma98


  • rikyrah

    As the GOP Burns Delusional Republicans Think They have Leverage Over Obama

    By: Jason EasleyDec. 27th, 2012

    Even though the GOP is crashing and burning on the fiscal cliff, Republican senators like Chuck Grassley believe they have leverage over Obama.

    Sen. Chuck Grassley provided a fine example of the Republican state of mind when he claimed to Newsmax that Republicans have leverage over Obama on the fiscal cliff.

    When asked about a solution to the fiscal cliff, Grassley answered, “If we do go over the cliff then the focus next year’s going to be on raising the debt ceiling and we’ve got a great deal of leverage on the president on raising the debt ceiling because we don’t have to raise it unless we’re going to get some reduction in expenditures.”

    Grassley thinks that the Republicans have the advantage on the fiscal cliff because of the debt ceiling. The Iowa senator thinks that Republicans can get the spending cuts they want by repeating the debacle on the debt ceiling that led to US debt being downgraded last year.

    In short, Republicans think they have leverage on the fiscal cliff, because they can use the debt ceiling to create more chaos next year. What they seem to be incapable of understanding is that their antics are destroying the Republican Party. Their behavior likely helped to win the president a second term by convincing a majority of voters that they didn’t want these people unchecked and making policy.

    • conlakappa

      Um, Chuck? Can I talk to you for a second? Here’s the thing: the President doesn’t have any more elections to run in. You and your colleagues do. So, who has more to risk here?

  • GreenLadyHere


    ——-☻ –Ujima (ooh-GEE-mah) is the third day of Kwanzaa and means “collective work and responsibility”. On this day we celebrate working together in the community to help others. For Ujima, we pledge to rebuild our communities and to help our people solve our own problems by working together to do it.

    — — -☻ President Obama is set to meet with congressional leaders at 3 p.m. in the Oval Office. Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, House Speaker John Boehner and Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi will attend.
    The meeting begins a last-ditch effort to avert the tax hikes and spending cuts slated to take effect in the new year.

    — -☻The same legend reports that he was the husband of St Veronica, who wiped Jesus’ face on the way to Calvary, and that they preached the Gospel together in Gaul.– -.A POWERFUL MOMENT in CHRISTIAN HISTORY.- -THANK U -Sepia/


    ——-B BLESSED 2 -DAY. :>)

    • gc

      WE had a guest lecturer from Africa many years, discussing Kwanza. It is a wonderful holiday! Westernrers (read, Americans )are the most solipcistic people in the world.

      Of course the Madonna and child were black. Look at pigmentation and genotypes (I think I picked that up from NCIS – don’t know if it is the right term, LOL) and historical/geographical patterns.

      People are “phools.” The church couldn’t stomach science because it might mean the earth was not the center of the world, and by implication, God…well, I don’t know what the implication was because I always thought their proclaimed horror was a stretch.

      I’ll cayame now. I am not processing Newtown, apparently.

      Have a wonderful day, POUers!

  • GreenLadyHere

    Sepia- — —As we watch 4 these “TALKS” 2-day- – –Let’s look FORWARD 2- – – -the “Affordable Care Act” – —Woo! Hoo! – —

    —–Five ‘ObamaCare’ provisions to watch– —

    – — –2013 will be a big year for President Obama’s signature healthcare law.

    By next New Year’s, almost all of the law’s major provisions are scheduled to be fully in effect. And that means 2013 will represent a mad dash to get ready — both in the states and in the Health and Human Services Department.

    In addition to the intensive preparation for 2014, next year will see several key provisions take effect, among them some of the law’s most controversial provisions, including new taxes that will hit millions of employees.

    And though congressional Republicans have largely acknowledged they won’t be able to fully repeal the Affordable Care Act, they’re focusing on intense oversight and hoping for targeted repeal votes on a handful of specific provisions, some of which have garnered bipartisan support.

    Here are five important provisions to keep an eye on in 2013:

    There’s supposed to be an exchange up and running in every state by Jan. 1, 2014, so 2013 is crunch time for implementing the centerpiece of the Affordable Care Act. The healthcare law envisions each state setting up its own exchange, but Republican governors have taken a hard line against implementing any part of “ObamaCare,” meaning the federal government will have to handle the task itself in at least 20 states.

    – – –Device tax

    – – –Medicare tax– —–Increase- — For families who make more than $250,000 per year . . . .[RE-THUGS R MAD. LOL]

    – – – -THANK U- –MR. PRESIDENT. :>)

  • GreenLadyHere

    Sepia- – — Geesh!- — -THESE- — -EVIL/VILE- – -OBSTRUCTIONISTS!!- —

    – – – –What Could Have Been: The Most Important Bills Blocked By Republicans In 2012—-

    – —-1. A minimum wage increase.
    House Democrats proposed legislation in June that would have raised the national minimum wage to $10 an hour, but Republicans blocked it. The minimum wage is currently $7.25 an hour, even though it would need to be raised to $9.92 to match the borrowing power it had in 1968. If it was indexed to inflation, it would be $10.40 today.

    2. Campaign finance transparency.
    The DISCLOSE Act of 2012, repeatedly blocked by Congressional Republicans, would have allowed voters to know who was funding the attack ads that flooded the airways from secretive groups like Karl Rove’s Crossroads GPS.

    3. The Buffett Rule.
    Senate Republicans in April filibustered the Buffet Rule, which would have set a minimum tax on millionaires. Huge majorities of Americans consistently support the rule, which would raise tens of billions of dollars per year from Americans who have seen their incomes explode while their tax rates plummeted.

    4. The Employment Non-Discrimination Act.

    5. U.N. treaty to protect the equal rights of the disabled.

    – —-C’MON- — KARMA!!!– – – —

    • nellcote

      6. Violence Against Women Act
      7. The freaking Farm Bill

      • GreenLadyHere

        HEEY nellcote. HAPPY KWANZAA – -***BIG HUG*** :>)-
        – – –***fist bump***- – — :>)

        —- -8.- –The AMERICAN JOBS ACT
        — -9. Sooo MANY – — JUDICIAL RECOMMENDATIONS!!- —

        Good 2 c U nellcote. :>)

  • GreenLadyHere

    Sepia- —–CALL! — -‘EM! — OUT!- – – -RE-THUCKERS R -COWARDS!!- —

    – —-Olympia Snowe: Norquist Pledge Could Send Nation Over The Fiscal Cliff– – –

    – — —On Friday morning, outgoing Sen. Olympia Snowe (R-ME) attributed the GOP’s reluctance to reach a balanced deal that could avert the so-called fiscal cliff to Grover Norquist’s pledge, which prevents Republicans from supporting a tax increase. President Obama has called on lawmakers to pass a package that maintains the Bush tax cuts for families earning less than $250,000 a year, though Republicans have thus far ignored his call and unsuccessfully attempted to advance a much more modest measure that preserved tax breaks for incomes under a million dollars.

    Appearing on CNN’s Starting Point, Snowe — who backs a deal that would maintain current tax rates for families earning $400,000 and less — called on Republicans and Democrats to compromise, but noted that the no-tax pledge may be holding them back:

    – – —–SNIP- – —

    SNOWE: Well, I’m certain it does play a role. I’ve never signed these pledges because my obligation to the people who elected me and that’s the way it should be for each member of Congress, because times change. The circumstances change, you have to address the issue at hand. It is important to have extending the tax cuts for especially the middle income but secondly to put spending cuts on the table.

    Watch it:

    – – – -COMMENT: – –Kerin Mougey Hall
    The stupidity of this party is baffling at times. What is obvious and out there for We the People seems to be alien to those serving, until they are forced to speak publicly about something they’ve known all along. I’m sick of these people.

    • conlakappa

      And another unbrave moment in the history of one of the Faking It Till She’s Making It Maine Twins. I have no time or patience for her. Or the other one.

      • GreenLadyHere

        Good KWANZAA MornTin’ conlakappa. ***BIG HUG** :>)

        — — — **fist bump***- — LIKIN’ da –CALL OUT!- —

        BUT- -WHERE was she when she was in the place where she could – –MAKE a difference.???- –TRYIN’ 2 B APPROVED annnd LIKED!!- –humph.

        Good 2 C U conlakappa. :>)

        • conlakappa

          Being fawned over by the emoprogs as one of the reasonable Rs? It’s a damnable lie but there we are. Indeed, the time to comment was when all of her clownish colleagues were signing the pledge. What a way to take the long view.

          I keep forgetting to tell you about the perpetual green in my life–my engagement ring has an emerald as its center stone! I didn’t think to mention it when we talked about inaugural dresses/gowns.

  • GreenLadyHere

    Sepia- – — THESE – -STOOPID- -PHOOLS!! – —WILL NEVA LEARN!!- — – –

    – — — Hobby Lobby To Deny Contraception To Employees, Ignoring Court Order

    —- – Craft store chain Hobby Lobby announced on Friday that it will ignore the ruling of U.S. courts and refuse to provide copay-free birth control access to its employees. It will do so despite whatever costs it may incur, even if they are higher than the cost of birth control itself.

    Upon learning that Obamacare required employers and insurance companies to provide birth control with no cost to employees, Hobby Lobby sued, saying that, despite the secular nature of the business, the company’s owner’s religious objections should be taken into consideration. When a court denied that line of reasoning, Hobby Lobby took its grievances to the Supreme Court and asked for an injunction. The highest court in the land denied that request, telling Hobby Lobby that it must allow its employees access to birth control as it seeks further litigation.

    But Hobby Lobby is saying no.

    The store plans to ignore the provision anyway, opting to pay a fine instead of provide birth control, including the morning after pill commonly known as Plan B, which the owner feels goes against his personal religious values:
    – – – -SNIP – —

    This ignores two obvious points — first, that Plan B is not an ‘abortion-inducing’ drug, as Hobby Lobby claims, and second, that the company may well end up paying more to avoid covering contraception than they would simply providing access. It also takes a twisted view on the ‘Freedom of Religion’ argument; the company is actually forcing its owner’s religious beliefs on all employees, no matter their personal religious views.

    – —COMMENT:- —Marie Harris
    Stupid is as stupid does.
    The Plan B – “morning after” pill is not an abortifacient — it DELAYS OVULATION!
    By delaying ovulation, it allows the sperm to “die” before it can impregnate the egg when it is released.
    So, tell me how that is an abortion!

    • Town

      Welp, won’t be shopping at Hobby Lobby.

      • goldenstar

        Yep, and all those crafting bloggers need to take note.

  • Miranda

    Racist Homeowner Claims His Effigy of President Obama Eating Watermelon Isn’t Racist

    Confronted about his life-size statue of President Obama eating a watermelon, Danny Hafley of Kentucky denied any racial motivation.
    “The way I look at it, it’s freedom of speech,” the Casey County resident told Lex 18 News. “I don’t know how other people will take it.”

    At least one of Hafley’s neighbors is taking it as a sign of disrespect.

    “If he wants to place it someplace else that would be fine,” the anonymous neighbor told the NBC affiliate. “We don’t have black people in this community but I’m sure they travel this road like everybody else does. They could be offended. I don’t agree with it.”

    more here

    • rikyrah

      Found this comment about this story:

      MitchellWiggs 9 hours ago

      Let’s take a look at where these two men are at in their lives. President Obama is the most powerful man in the world, and holds the absolute highest government position possible in the greatest country on Earth. He’s made history being the first black President in our nations history, and was just re-elected to a 2nd term. He is a Harvard law graduate, former college professor, and worth about what….$12 million dollars? This man lives in a trailer in Kentucky, in front of a hill. Case closed.

      • crazycanuck

        I’ve come to the conclusion that racists are mentally unstable, and should be treated as such.

        • BoomerGal

          They’re not mentally unstable b/c they honestly believe they are the superior race. That’s why they want “their” country back.

      • conlakappa

        With a demonstrated ignorance of what free speech means. The government [or gubmint, but I’m not being classist, Danny Hafley] cannot take away the effigy or whatever services he gets [again, not being classist/regionalist but if you’re in Kentucky living in a double-wide, I’m going to connect the dots], but his neighbors have the right to be offended.

      • BoomerGal

        Chile, Ky. is FULL o’ them!!

    • Alma98

      I read this over at Wonkette yesterday what a sad racist idiot. You have to read the comments over there.

      • BoomerGal

        He’s racist alright and he is not alone.

  • Town

    LOL, last week you were just the Lt. Gov of Hawaii. Today, you, Brian Schatz are the senior Senator from Hawaii.


  • Miranda

    There’s irony…and then there is just plain sad. The Log Cabin Republicans are a sad sad bunch.

    Log Cabin Republicans take out ad against Hagel
    Posted by
    CNN Political Unit

    (CNN) – A group representing gay Republicans took out a full page newspaper ad Thursday lambasting former Sen. Chuck Hagel, who President Barack Obama is considering for his next defense secretary.

    “Chuck Hagel: Wrong on gay rights, wrong on Iran, wrong on Israel,” the ad from the Log Cabin Republicans read. It appeared in Thursday’s New York Times.

    “Tell President Obama that Chuck Hagel is wrong for Defense Secretary. Help us create a stronger and more inclusive Republican Party,” it read.

    • conlakappa

      Who is supposed to help create a stronger and more inclusive R party? The President? Readers of the NY Times? The stupid is thick with them.

  • Alma98

    Good afternoon POU!

  • GreenLadyHere

    Sepia- – – -Oooowee- — Sittin’ back- – -ENJOYIN’ THIS:- —

    – — –Buried in Their Own Bullsh*t – —

    – —–As Politico correctly points out, there is a logic behind the Republicans’ intransigent behavior. What’s missing from their analysis, however, is any mention of the fact that the Republicans’ created this logic themselves. It is true that gerrymandered districts have created a situation where the vast majority of House members have more to fear from a primary than from a general election against the opposing party, which makes it extremely painful to compromise with the other side. But the problem has been exacerbated by the unhinged rhetoric the Republicans used to demonize the president and his policies.

    On Friday, Jan. 29, 2010, the president warned about this during his appearance at the House Republican retreat in Baltimore, Maryland. In responding to a question from Tennessee backbencher Marsha Blackburn, the president made the following observations in the context of the ongoing health care debate:

    – – — -SNIP- — –
    – —- – So all I’m saying is, we’ve got to close the gap a little bit between the rhetoric and the reality. I’m not suggesting that we’re going to agree on everything, whether it’s on health care or energy or what have you, but if the way these issues are being presented by the Republicans is that this is some wild-eyed plot to impose huge government in every aspect of our lives, what happens is you guys then don’t have a lot of room to negotiate with me.

    I mean, the fact of the matter is, is that many of you, if you voted with the administration on something, are politically vulnerable in your own base, in your own party. You’ve given yourselves very little room to work in a bipartisan fashion because what you’ve been telling your constituents is, this guy is doing all kinds of crazy stuff that’s going to destroy America.
    – — -SNIP- —

    – –They did it to themselves. I’d like to lend them a hand and help them shovel their way out, but I don’t think they’ll let me help. One of the reasons that I think a deal is in the best interests of the country (depending on details, obviously) is that it is the best opportunity, and maybe the only opportunity, we have to dismantle this dungheap.

    – — —***holdin’ my NOSE*** at da – -RE-THUCKERS! HAH!

  • Miranda

    Ahh, come’on Candy…you KNOW you gave us one of the best moments of the year! LOL, “please proceed Governor” would never have been so gold if you hadn’t confirmed the TRUTH for ole Mittens!

    CNN didn’t include it when they KNOW that was a top 3 for sure! And how do you not include Karl Rove throwing a fit on live TV? That was right up there with PBO being re-elected. LOL

    Video: Top 10 political moments of 2012

    • Worldwatcher7

      Thank goodness for Youtube. Rove’s psychotic break will be preserved for generations to come.

  • Alma98
  • GreenLadyHere

    Sepia- – – -FIRST:- – -COMMENT:- — predacious
    I am glad [PRESIDENT] Obama made those do nothings come back between Xmas and NewYear. I want their failure to do their jobs highlighted in everyway possible.
    If we get nothing else perhaps it will change the mid-term elections, by repeatedly showing how they refuse to do the work the American people elected them to do.
    – – -HAH!!

    — -NOW:— – First Holiday Votes Since 1970– —

    – —– The New York Times reports that yesterday was the first time in 42 years that there have been roll call votes in Congress during the week between Christmas and New Year’s Day.

    “The House and Senate have held numerous pro forma sessions during the week between Christmas and New Year over the years, and in 1995 during a major budget battle. But the last time they held roll call votes that week, before Thursday, was during the second session of the 91st Congress, in 1970, amid a large spending fight and a filibuster over financing for a supersonic transport plane.”

    – – –THIS VOTE involves- – — PEOPLES”- – – -LIVES!! – —-DO THEY CARE???
    OBVIOUSLY – -NOT!!- —geesh!!

    [P.S. Please 4-give my “spotiness.” Doin’ some CARE-TAKIN’. :>)]

  • rikyrah

    The Broken American Polity

    Senator Ben Nelson said recently that many Republicans have yet to accept the presidential election of 2008, let alone the re-election of 2012. I see no real evidence to the contrary. Whether this is due to race, or culture, or fanaticism (they regarded Bill Clinton as illegitimate as well) I do not pretend to know. We know also, of course, that the corrupt gerrymandering of House districts allows those with power to rig the system so they can retain power – even when they have no broad public support. And we know that the whitest, rightest part of the Republican base controls the primaries and is determined to destroy any member of congress who votes against the religion of permanent insolvency – which is what “no-revenue-increases-ever” means as we near a demographic wave of older folks. What a perverse cause: a party dedicated above all to the permanent, chronic insolvency of the American government. The cuts they need without any new revenues would simply end the welfare state in America and would never be tolerated by the middle classes in practice. And tax reform will only get us so far.

    This, then, remains a country in a Cold Civil War – not far off the geographical contours of the first, but with the inheritors of the Confederacy concentrated in the South and now also with serious pockets of absolutists in the more rural parts of the country as a whole. Maybe it was precisely because Barack Obama campaigned against partisan polarization that the GOP has decided to ratchet it up. The rightwing media-industrial complex – from Limbaugh to Hannity to Drudge – earns money from conflict not compromise. And these lucrative media institutions have taken over from what’s left of the conservative intelligentsia (three decades ago a flourishing, growing and open group, now shrinking fast into calcified, partisan hacks).

  • rikyrah

    Buried in Their Own Bullsh*t

    by BooMan
    Fri Dec 28th, 2012 at 10:18:52 AM EST

    As Politico correctly points out, there is a logic behind the Republicans’ intransigent behavior. What’s missing from their analysis, however, is any mention of the fact that the Republicans’ created this logic themselves. It is true that gerrymandered districts have created a situation where the vast majority of House members have more to fear from a primary than from a general election against the opposing party, which makes it extremely painful to compromise with the other side. But the problem has been exacerbated by the unhinged rhetoric the Republicans used to demonize the president and his policies.
    On Friday, Jan. 29, 2010, the president warned about this during his appearance at the House Republican retreat in Baltimore, Maryland. In responding to a question from Tennessee backbencher Marsha Blackburn, the president made the following observations in the context of the ongoing health care debate:

    Now, you may not agree with Bob Dole and Howard Baker, and, certainly you don’t agree with Tom Daschle on much, but that’s not a radical bunch. But if you were to listen to the debate and, frankly, how some of you went after this bill, you’d think that this thing was some Bolshevik plot. No, I mean, that’s how you guys — (applause) — that’s how you guys presented it.
    And so I’m thinking to myself, well, how is it that a plan that is pretty centrist — no, look, I mean, I’m just saying, I know you guys disagree, but if you look at the facts of this bill, most independent observers would say this is actually what many Republicans — is similar to what many Republicans proposed to Bill Clinton when he was doing his debate on health care.

    So all I’m saying is, we’ve got to close the gap a little bit between the rhetoric and the reality. I’m not suggesting that we’re going to agree on everything, whether it’s on health care or energy or what have you, but if the way these issues are being presented by the Republicans is that this is some wild-eyed plot to impose huge government in every aspect of our lives, what happens is you guys then don’t have a lot of room to negotiate with me.

    I mean, the fact of the matter is, is that many of you, if you voted with the administration on something, are politically vulnerable in your own base, in your own party. You’ve given yourselves very little room to work in a bipartisan fashion because what you’ve been telling your constituents is, this guy is doing all kinds of crazy stuff that’s going to destroy America.

    And I would just say that we have to think about tone. It’s not just on your side, by the way — it’s on our side, as well. This is part of what’s happened in our politics, where we demonize the other side so much that when it comes to actually getting things done, it becomes tough to do

  • GreenLadyHere

    Sepia- – – -THESE ADJECTIVES- – -STILL APPLY!!- –

    – – – –Five Adjectives That Scream “Don’t Vote Republican!”– —

    — — There are more than five, of course, and voting Democrat may not be much of an improvement, but attaching these adjectives to the comically contemptible GOP seems more than appropriate.

    1. Obstructionist

    2. Vindictive

    3. Delusional

    4. Hypocritical

    5. Inept

    Our do-nothing Republicans are like children pouting until they get their candy. Congressional experts Thomas Mann and Norm Ornstein say “We have been studying Washington politics and Congress for more than 40 years, and never have we seen them this dysfunctional.”

    On all counts of economic growth, progress is stifled by Republican ineptitude and inertia. Bloomberg reports that Democrats over the years have created more private-sector jobs, stimulated the markets to a greater degree, and presided over faster GDP growth.

    Republicans are outrageously unpopular. A Gallup Poll registered a 10% approval rating, less than pornography, communism, and BP during the oil spill.

    – —***hands out- –BAND AIDS!!*** Whew Lawd!!! :>)

  • rikyrah

    Michigan towns reading fine print of new emergency manager law. (Heads up, Detroit.)

    By Laura Conaway
    Fri Dec 28, 2012 11:40 AM EST

    Michigan voters repealed their state’s emergency manager in November, only to have Governor Rick Snyder sign a new version of it yesterday. From the first reports out of Michigan it wasn’t clear how the law, which takes effect in March, would affect Detroit. That city’s finances are now under state review, with the real possibility that Michigan will take it over with a weaker emergency financial manager. But with the new law on the way, would a manager appointed by the state now get amped-up powers come March? Could that manager, for example, cancel union contracts?

    The answer’s in: Heck, yeah. What’s more, even though the new law lets cities vote out an emergency manager, they can’t do it for a year and a half. That means Detroit, along with towns already under emergency management, will be stuck without meaning local democracies for a long while more. From the Detroit News:

    Nathaniel Elem, an Ecorse city councilman, was hoping the law would allow the Downriver community to get rid of Emergency Financial Manager Joyce Parker.

    “We ought to be able to vote her out now, instead of waiting 18 months,” Elem said Thursday. “I think it sucks, to tell you the truth

  • rikyrah

    Bernanke’s subtle hints to Congress

    By Steve Benen
    Fri Dec 28, 2012 12:10 PM EST

    Traditionally, when the economy isn’t where it needs to be, policymakers have pushed for various forms of stimulus — the right has preferred monetary stimulus from the Fed, while the left has preferred fiscal stimulus from Congress. When the economy is in especially dire straits, ideally we’d see both efforts simultaneously.

    In 2012, that’s a problem. As the Republican Party has moved sharply to the right, it now opposes monetary and fiscal stimulus, abandoning what was conventional thought among conservatives for decades. But as Matthew O’Brien explains, Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke, himself a Republican, still wishes GOP policymakers would wake up and smell the need for fiscal intervention.

    It might not look like it, but forecasting sub-2 percent inflation nowadays is the Fed’s way of begging Congress to borrow more. That’s the big implication of the Fed’s big policy moves the past few months. The Fed is already buying $85 billion of bonds a month on an open-ended basis and has promised not to raise rates before unemployment falls below 6.5 percent or inflation rises above 2.5 percent. But it still thinks inflation will remain subdued, despite its bond-buying.

    In other words, the Fed is telling us it will tolerate a bit more inflation, but it won’t create it. That’s as good an invitation as Congress is going to get to cut taxes or increase spending, at least until inflation is around 2.5 percent

  • rikyrah

    The GOP’s new mascot: the Cheshire cat

    While it’s fun to wargame potential coalitions between House Democrats and their yet-pathologized Republican counterparts, eventually reality intervenes and insists on re-terrorizing us. This, for example, from Cook Political Report, via Politico:

    [J]ust six Republicans–around 3 percent of the House GOP Conference–will occupy districts whose overall voter makeup favors Democrats. That figure is down from 22 Republicans that resided in such Democrat-friendly districts in 2012

    Perhaps the most relentless reality-distorter in our wargaming amusements is the varying headcount of the Tea Party and Tea Party-aligned caucus within the 113th Congress’s House Republican conference. Observers routinely cite anywhere from 50 to 80 of these yokels–they’ll be the problem, we hear; they’ll be the ones so disagreeably haunting all of John Boehner’s moderate dreams–yet the actual number is closer to 227 (233 minus the above six). The reason for such realistic yokel-inflation is simple: “Establishment” Republicans who fear Tea Party primary challengers will vote as de facto Tea Partiers.

  • GreenLadyHere


    – —Following the Current Administration for the Official 4 year Term of 1,461 days. Focusing on the positions, policy, politics, stances and moves of the 44th U.S. President and his appointed administration through Executive Power.– —

    – —This list is complete and current to December 28, 2012

    – – – —2012 Executive Orders Disposition Tables
    Barack Obama – 2012
    – —

    – —-Executive Order 13602
    Establishing a White House Council on Strong Cities, Strong Communities
    Signed: March 15, 2012
    Federal Register page and date: 77 FR 16131, March 20, 2012

    – – – – –[KWANZAA- –UJIMO]- —

    – – —-HES’s GOT — The – – -POWER!!. – – – Woo! Hoo!.

  • Miranda

    Man pulls gun over Obama bumper sticker fight

    • Alma98

      WTF! ODS is really really real, I believe he would have shot that man if the police didn’t show up. smgdh

  • rikyrah

    Why Republicans have a lot to gain from reaching out to African Americans

    Posted by Jamelle Bouie on December 28, 2012 at 11:41 am

    For all the focus on Latinos as the deciding voters in last month’s election, the fact of the matter is that Mitt Romney could have won while losing a decisive share of the Latino vote— in the states that decided the election, Latinos were a small share of the electorate. If there is a single demographic group that doomed Mitt Romney’s chances, it’s African Americans. High black support and turnout for President Obama provided the margin of victory in Ohio, Virginia and Florida, and bolstered Obama’s totals in states such as Pennsylvania and Michigan.

    Indeed, a new survey from the Pew Research Center shows that — for the second election in a row — African Americans voted at a higher rate than any other minority group and may have, for the first time in history, voted at a higher rate than whites. To wit, according to the Census Bureau, blacks were 12 percent of eligible voters this year but accounted for 13 percent of those who voted in the presidential election. By contrast, Latinos accounted for 10 percent of the electorate and Asian Americans 3 percent, several points lower than their share of the population. In other words, their political clout is, to some degree, a factor of population growth.

    It’s worth noting that black turnout has been on an upward swing for 20 years. Just under 60 percent of eligible African Americans voted in the 1992 election. The percentage dropped to just under 55 in 1996, in line with the broader drop off in turnout that year, but it climbed rapidly over the next decade. In 2008, 65.2 percent of eligible blacks voted in the election, compared to 66.1 percent of whites, 49.9 percent of Latinos and 47 percent of Asian Americans.

    • Ebogan63

      I am a bit tired of these ‘reachout to AA voters’ from black pundits. His example of Bob Dole excludes one data point…Dole still got crushed. The GOP ain’t serious about outreach, they talk about this EVERY TIME they get beat, and then…nothing. When will these folks learn that black folks are not gonna vote for a party that has the type of polices that are detrimental to AA interests?

  • Miranda

    Afternoon thread is up!

  • rikyrah

    Obamacare’s Stick On Medicaid About To Get Real In 2013

    Friday, December 28, 2012 |
    Posted by Deaniac83 at 12:06 PM

    Everyone is all fiscal cliff all the time this days, and there are plenty of rumors going around in the news media for everyone to blather over. But the fiscal cliff isn’t the only thing happening on January 1.

    Next year, some important provisions of the Affordable Care Act take effect, most of them meant to prepare for full scale implementation the following year, 2014. In nine Republican controlled states, their governors have refused to agree to the Affordable Care Act’s Medicaid expansion, which would cover anyone under 133% of poverty under Medicaid. Their politics dictate that they refuse Obamacare’s expansion, but their practicalities may soon intrude with that politics. That’s what I want to talk about today.

    You see, there are at least two sticks to make these intransigent governors and legislators swallow the medicine of Medicaid inside other provisions of Obamacare. The first, and the most potent is a little known provision that will provide new federal dollar to match Medicaid’s physician and other medical reimbursement rates to that of Medicare. From a Kaiser report on the subject,

    To help ensure sufficient access in Medicaid as enrollment increases, the health reform law requires states to raise their Medicaid fees to Medicare levels at least, for family physicians, internists, and pediatricians for many primary care services. Physicians in both fee‐for‐service and managed care environments will get the enhanced rates. The primary care fee increase, which applies in 2013 and 2014, is fully federally funded up to the difference between a state’s Medicaid fees in effect on July 1, 2009 and Medicare fees in 2013 and 2014.
    Why is this important? Because doctors who see Medicaid patients are currently so poorly compensated that a study found that in 2011, nearly a third of doctors would not accept new Medicaid patients. In contrast, more than 80% of doctors would accept new Medicare patients. Why the disparity between Medicaid and Medicare patients? Well, that might be explained by the following map from the previously cited Kaiser study:

  • Town

    Here is an easy “Cliff Notes Primer” on Free Speech:

    If I am, say, a radio host and I say on the air that black people are stupid and racist and I chant a racial slur on the air 10x to express my displeasure, President Obama cannot order the FCC to shut me down. The police cannot chain the door of my studio shut so I can’t get in to call black people racist, stupid and slur them. The government can’t shut down my broadcast tower or jam up my signal so I can’t call black people stupid, racist and slur them.

    ^ This is what the First Amendment protects the citizens against.

    If I am, say, a radio host and I say on the air that black people are stupid, racist and I chant racial slurs over 10x on the air, the First Amendment does NOT protect me from:

    * My company saying ,”Uh we don’t want a racist on our staff, you’re fired.”

    * Sponsors telling my station if Town isn’t fired for this, we’re not sponsoring your show or advertising on your radio station anymore

    * The general public from boycotting my show or the companies that sponsor it

    * The general public saying “Town crossed the line, Town is racist and should be taken off the air.”

    * President Obama chiming in, saying “I find Town’s statements deplorable, there’s no place for that in American society.”

    * Pundits, writers and commentators going on TV, writing blogs & columns highlighting my racist stupidity

    People not liking what you have to say is not protected under the First Amendment. Yet so many “edumacated” and professional people can’t tell the difference. If they can’t tell, why would that fool in the doublewide with the Obama effigy be able to tell?

    • rikyrah

      dude should ask Dr. Laura.

      nobody said she couldn’t say Nigger, Nigger , Nigger.

      folks just said don’t think about getting paid while doing it.

      free speech doesn’t equal million dollar contracts

  • GreenLadyHere

    Sepia- —Additional 411- — —

    – —-Why Neil Abercrombie bucked Daniel Inouye pick– —

    —–Hawaii Gov. Neil Abercrombie’s decision to buck the dying wish of legendary Sen. Daniel Inouye and install his own No. 2, Lt. Gov. Brian Schatz, as the state’s soon-to-be senior senator may be less surprising than it seems.

    Abercrombie and Inouye were not allies. In fact, their two-decade relationship in Congress was marked by rifts — most notably over Inouye’s encouragement of a primary challenger to Abercrombie in the 2010 governor’s race. Abercrombie and Schatz were running mates in that same election.– – [-AHA!]

    – –So when it came time to choose Inouye’s successor, Abercrombie went his own way — ignoring the deceased senator’s appeal to tap his protégé, Democratic Rep. Colleen Hanabusa, for the plum appointment.

    “These splits go way back in the party, and although I’m sure the governor gave due consideration to the senator’s request, I don’t think there was any personal relationship there that would’ve weighed in,” said John Hart, chairman of the department of communication at Hawaii Pacific University. “I think in the end, the governor did what he felt was best for Hawaii, the party; and is also making a statement about who’s in charge of the Democratic Party here in Hawaii.”– —
    THERE IS MORE.- – – –

    – – – -REVELATIONS.- – – –Hmmmm. . . .