October 23, 2017

Saturday Open Thread

Good morning Pragmatic Obots.

Here’s your Saturday morning Stevie Wonder

  • malletgirl02

    First good morning everyone. First I think Thursday a co worker tried to convince me that Obama defended the embassy attackers. I wasn’t having any of that mess, I just tuned her out and kept working. What makes it worst is that she is black. Also she use to listen to anti Obama broadcast very loudly in her office until one day it was very loud and the government staff assistant who works over us told her to turn it down. The worst part of this is that this co worker is black

    • Miranda

      Your co-worker is a nut huh?

    • GN

      I still don’t think that Romney has been sufficiently called out for those lies about the US embassy and WH responses to the crisis. As bad as the reaction to him has been, he still hasn’t been sufficiently addressed.

      • Miranda

        Don’t hold your breath….he won’t be. The media will only go so far, otherwise the doctor would have told the nurse to call it a week ago. All they can do is make him comfortable until he passes. He has 50 days to go until they just take him off the respirator. That’s all this is…giving the GOP time to say their last good-byes to what is hopefully a permanent hole in their party. Until they regain their senses, I hope they stay completely 6 feet under.

    • Admiral_Komack

      I don’t care what color she is.
      Stupid is stupid.

      • nathkatun7


    • macademic

      Hi malletgirl! Here’s what: make SURE you VOTE to RE-ELECT-and help get more votes for PBO if possible. Pres. O has great policies for America and the alternative is… not an option: tell folks!

      Don’t sweat this fool tryna convince the whooole office that she IS. NOT. ONE. OF. THEM. (PBO’s 94% black support to Mitt’s ZERO)
      I suspect you already know what the issue seems to be there, lol. Don’t take her race as the worst part- unfortunately she may already have.

      My suggestion is you smile as you enjoy carefully making *your playlist* for Wednesday, Nov. 7. May I suggest you begin with Al Green- Let’s Stay Together and Stevie Wonder- Signed, Sealed, Delivered. I’m playing Wu Tang – Triumph next:
      ODB- “You thought you wasn’t gonna see ME?! I’m the Osiris of this shit!!”

    • edp4bho

      Don’t sweat her. Callers on radio here don’t think PBO is sufficiently AA as he has no roots in slavery. Granted, these are the same 10 or so callers since after the election and of course PBO didn’t do enough re the attack this week….yada yada yada….turned them off. They will all soon die off. Good riddance. Your co-worker kind of reminds me of my older sister with the negative anti-O broadcasts. Don’t know where she gets her info but I’ve basically stopped speaking to her.Glad she’s in NC and I will stay right here in Pennsy…LOL !

  • malletgirl02

    Now some good news:

    NYTimes.com News Alert ✆ nytdirect@nytimes.com

    6:54 PM (11 hours ago)

    to me
    Breaking News Alert
    The New York Times
    Friday, September 14, 2012 — 6:36 PM EDT

    Obama Erases Romney’s Edge on Economy

    President Obama has taken away Mitt Romney’s longstanding advantage as the candidate voters say is most likely to restore the economy and create jobs, according to the latest poll by The New York Times and CBS News, which found a modest sense of optimism among Americans that White House policies are working.

    But while the climate for Mr. Obama has improved since midsummer, and Mr. Romney has failed to shift sentiment decisively in his favor, the poll found that the presidential race is narrowly divided.

    With their conventions behind them and the general election fully engaged, the Democratic Party is viewed more favorably than the Republican Party. The poll also found more likely voters give an edge to Mr. Obama on foreign policy, Medicare and addressing the challenges of the middle class. The only major issue on which Mr. Romney held an advantage was handling the federal budget deficit.

    Read More:

    • crazycanuck

      Romney had an edge on the economy? Good Morning POU.

    • GN

      This is good news; the WH did absolutely bring us out of the crisis which we were in 4 years ago. We’d be so much farther along if the WH had partners in Congress. Amazing, all the WH had to do was to point this out, and TELL PEOPLE, and the needle moved. This is true of all of the GOP’s and PL’s lies which have obscured the good which Dems have done.

      • nellcote

        all the WH had to do was to point this out, and TELL PEOPLE,
        PBO has admitted that it was a failure on his part not to do this with ACA/Stim and promises to do better in his second term. I appeciate that he learns from his mistakes.

        • GN

          Indeed, and PBO was a little busy doing something called “saving the country.” The media is really to blame for this, but I’m glad that PBO is stepping up because if Dems don’t educate the public, no one will.

      • gc

        Consumer confidence is up – that psych metric is significant.

  • Camille

    About Egan-Jones “Ratings Company” (besides the fact that it is a freaking joke of course)

    “—The SEC warned Egan-Jones in October 2011 of a possible enforcement action.[8] On April 24, 2012, the SEC charged Sean Egan with numerous offenses including: making false and misleading statements in the firm’s application to become a Nationally Recognized Rating Agency, violations of conflicts-of-interest and record keeping, and falsely stating that he was unaware if his paid clients were long or short specific securities that Egan-Jones rated.

    The Securities and Exchange Commission issued charges against the company, and its founder, Sean Egan, for “material misrepresentations and omissions in the company’s July 2008 application to register as a Nationally Recognized Statistical Rating Organization (NRSRO) for issuers of asset-backed securities (ABS) and government securities” as well as “material misrepresentations in other submissions furnished to the SEC and violations of record-keeping and conflict-of-interest provisions governing NRSROs.”[9]

    • nellcote

      Thanks I was wondering as the name is not familiar.

  • MonieTalks

    The Republican led Intelligence Committee is dangerous…Michelle Bachmann is a member, so that is all you need to know. But from this same group are a lot of accusations of unproven WH leaks…..they are so obsessed with this fantasy of the WH leaking info for their advantage.

    Yet, bin Laden was killed under a covert operation that many of them had absolutely NO clue about…remember how in the aftermath, Bachmann and others requested to see the grotesque photos of OBL to make sure it was true.

    I’ve been looking up some things this morning, especially concerning PM Netanyahu. I don’t believe for one second he was snubbed by PBO..Netanyahu needs to show the receipts concerning this so-called meeting. But check out this account that Rep. Mike Rogers gave to a radio station (which syndicates Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity’s show btw). This article is from about 11 days ago:

    Netanyahu dressed down U.S. envoy Shapiro over Iran
    By Ron Kampeas · September 6, 2012
    CHARLOTTE, N.C. (JTA) — Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu erupted in anger at the U.S. ambassador to Israel over what Israel’s government regards as unclear signals from the United States on Iran.

    Rep. Mike Rogers (R-Mich.), the chairman of the U.S. House of Representatives Intelligence Committee, described for a Michigan radio station, WJR, an encounter that he witnessed last month when he was visiting Israel. The interview was picked up Thursday by the Atlantic magazine.

    ….Rogers suggested that Netanyahu initiated the argument.

    “The meeting was designed, it was supposed to be between Netanyahu and myself on some intelligence cooperation matters and other matters, when it came to Iran and Syria and other things, and kind of devolved into this meeting where the ambassador was confronted directly,” he said.

    Plain and simple, PM Netanyahu is the Israeli equivalent of the GOPTEAparty, partisan hack with no decorum and no respect for the Obama administration.

    Rogers, as CHAIRMAN of House Intelligence Committee, is putting out shit to right wing talk radio stations, under the radar of many mainstream publications.. So it is no wonder that all of these unbased conspiracy theories are being allowed to spread without any factual checks or pushbacks. And only later that after the lies spread and reached a larger audience does the MSM report ambiguous shit like “there have been reports of leaks” without any reliable basis. No wonder when Romney went to Israel and met with he and PM Netanyahu’s pimp daddy, Sheldon Adelson, the meeting was closed door. Supposedly, selective press was allowed at the last minute, but where are the reports?

    Oh, shit stinks y’all. This is filthy, dirty, gutter low down politics.
    The mid-term elections along with the Citizens United decision created a dangerous trajectory in this country. I will never forgive many of the PL/fauxgressives who helped contribute to anti-Obama narrative before that crucial election.

    • aleth

      The key question is why is the right alright with Netanyahoo controlling American policy or dictating American policy?

      Yep Leaks come from the right..

    • Camille

      Spot on!

    • GN

      Agreed on all counts, and all I have to add is that to those playing games with Pres. O.: PBO was cracking jokes to the buffoon Trump’s face right before taking the massive gamble which resulted in bin Laden’s death. I do not understand, nor will I ever, how and why people play with this man (maybe the goofy smile and his genuine love for his wife and all kids?). There is nothing soft about Barack Obama.

      • aleth

        But this is just so brazen! I swear GN from what I am reading, folk just ain’t buying this whole thing. People are putting two and two together. Obama is definitely not a soft man.

    • GreenLadyHere

      Good Saturday MornTin’ MonieTalks —***BIG HUG*** :>)

      – – -***fist bump*** – —I’ve been looking up some things this morning, especially concerning PM Netanyahu. I don’t believe for one second he was snubbed by PBO..Netanyahu needs to show the receipts concerning this so-called meeting.

      – – -The FACT that that SLEAZEBAG ALLOWED this LIE 2 CIRCULATE — -SHOWS – – -WHO he is!! — – —

      He betta KNOW: – –DON’T START NONE – – -WON’T B NONE!! —

      Annnd WE KNOW that he is BACKED$$$$$$$$! humph!!

      HE/IT STINKS!!! – – — — Good 2 C U MonieTalks. :>) – –

      – -B BLESSED — -U/FAM. :>)

  • goldenstar

    Good Morning.

    Chris Hayes is not the moderator today on his show and it is FANTASTIC for learning about all the countries and these demonstrations. Fascinating stuff.

    • GN

      I was thinking the same thing. Ugh, and Netanyahu can have the absolute seat of seats. Who does he think he IS. omg.

  • Camille

    The provocateurs know politics and religion don’t mix.

    It only takes a couple of loonies a few seconds to kick off a miniature war in the Muslim world

    So another internet clever-clogs sets the Middle East on fire: Prophet cartoons, then Koranic book-burning, now a video of robed “terrorists” and a fake desert. The Western-Christian perpetrators then go into hiding (an essential requisite for publicity) while the innocent are asphyxiated, beheaded and otherwise done to death – outrageous Muslim revenge thus “proving” the racist claims of the trash peddlers that Islam is a violent religion.
    The provocateurs, of course, know that politics and religion don’t mix in the Middle East. They are the same. Christopher Stevens, his diplomat colleagues in Benghazi, priests in Turkey and Africa, UN personnel in Afghanistan; they have all paid the price for those ‘Christian priests’, ‘cartoonists’, ‘film-makers’ and ‘authors’ – the inverted commas are necessary to mark a thin line between illusionists and the real thing – who knowingly choose to provoke 1.6 billion Muslims.

    When a Danish cartoon in a hitherto unknown newspaper drew a picture of the Prophet Mohamed with a bomb in his turban, the Danish embassy in Beirut went up in flames. When a Texas pastor decided to ‘sentence the Koran to death’, the knives came out in Afghanistan – we are leaving aside the little matter of the ‘accidental’ burning of Koranic pages by US personnel in Bagram. And now a deliberately abusive film provokes the murder of one of the State Department’s fairest diplomats.


    • nellcote

      I get the free speech arguement. But I think in this case it was intentially made to provoke violence and that makes it an act of terrorism. I assume the FBI is looking into it. I’d really like to know the real story of what’s going on here.

  • MonieTalks

    Search “Iron Dome.”

    Isn’t it interesting that amidst all this talk of a strained US-Israeli relationship, the GOP will not bring up the massive amount of money the US is pouring into this rocket-intercepting, air defense program for Israel since PBO has been in office..even with our own fiscal gridlock, and threats of cutting off programs to elderly, poor, and disabled populations.

    In one editorial in Haaretz, there were concerns that Israel would have to cut back vital programs for the poor and vulnerable….sound familiar.

    Israel’s economy will pay heavy price for Iron Dome

    And yet, the US is becoming a prime stakeholder in this program, in both money and interest…and Rethugs have the nerve to say we have abandoned Israel under this President.

    • GN

      TBH, seeing that Bibi is going to be on MTP without a doubt engaging in a futile tantrum against our President for not launching a worthless, catastrophic war on Iran, I do kinda resent all of the money which we give to countries which clearly don’t give a flying fuck about us. I certainly understand the diplomatic need to use foreign aid as a tool, absolutely, but it does chafe at times like this.

      • MonieTalks

        I do not blame the Israeli people for PM Netanyahu, just like many of us Americans absolutley hated GWBush’s and the neo-cons foreign policy that tripled this country.

        But it is ironic and absurd that the GOPTEA wants to say Muslim/Arab nations are slapping back the President’s hand because of this perceived weakeness when it is PM Netanyahu who is the most blatant example of this. How unprecedented is it for a prime minister of a nation to pick a purposeful fight with an ambassador, as GOP Inelligence Chair Mike Rogers-R described?

        Instead we have public workers in this country being fired because “budgets have supposedly dried up”, unemployed workers made to be ashamed to collect benefits they paid into or be denied them all together…and instead we are pouring hundreds of millions into defense programs for Israel while their PM is disparaging our President outright, saying US has “abandoned Israel.”.

        What you won’t find reported from our own sensationalist, GOP regurgitating media is that just two weeks ago the UK sent an envoy saying essentially the same thing PBO is saying.

        Secret trip warned Israel off Iran strike

    • aleth

      Monie.. I hate RT news but Max Blumental is good here:

      Good outline from Adelson, Bibi, Gringrinch, Rmoney… Forget the title of the video


      I just don’t get it…this man has been crying wolf since 1992 and he is still doing same.

  • Camille
    • Miranda

      I still think it was just extra cute how the men’s basketball team all lined up for their hug with FLOTUS at one of the games in London. LOL, one of my friends said they looked like little boys all lined up on the last day of school to hug Ms. Johnson. Waiting their turn so patiently trying to look serious. It was just too cute.

  • MonieTalks

    Great read, :

    How ‘Sam Bacile’ Bamboozled the AP, Wall Street Journal Over Anti-Muslim Film

    The AP reporter Shaya Tayefe Mohajer, who broke advanced the story of Bacile, noted that the film “shows an amateur cast performing a wooden dialog.” Aside from Bacile, who “was apologetic about the American who was killed as a result of the outrage over his film,” the only other source in the story was a man named Steve Klein who served as “a consultant on the film.” *(See correction on this section at the bottom of story.)

    After much speculation that Sam Bacile was a sort of spectral, Keyser Soze figure, the filmmaker was later outed as Nakoula Basseley Nakoula, a 55-year-old Egyptian Coptic Christian and convicted felon. But not before he was somehow strangely profiled while “in hiding” in The Independent, and partially unmasked in The Atlantic by his co-conspirator, Klein.
    I’m still wondering who contacted who?

    The news surrounding the circumstances of the this so-called anti-Muslim video and protests were very fresh when the “Sam Bacile” story was fed by AP and WSJ. But who had who’s number on speed dial? It appears that after the media was bamboozled , the AP had to go back and search for N.”Basseley” Nakoula. So that leads us to the conclusion that Nakoula /or his right wing nut job conspirators had to have contacted the AP first……and yet the AP would publish non-verifiable bullshit from “sources” they are not even sure who they are, or if the information they are giving has any authenticity.

    • goldenstar

      Not sure about the bamboozlement. This could be the net sum of relationships that reporters/writers have w/ some of these folks….

      • MonieTalks

        So true.

        Especially considering that the AP and WSJ were out in front on this particular story.

        What’s interesting from the link is that AP Reporter Shaye Tayefe Mohajer is a health reporter out of LA, who initially was claimed as the one who broke the story, but has it since been decided that the story was advanced by her after it hit the AP wire.

        But I want to know who specifically talked to N “Basseley” Nakoula initially, and placed the article on the AP wire.

  • GreenLadyHere

    — – —GOOD SATURDAY MORNTIN’ POU FAM♥ – – -***BIG HUG** :>)
    – – –

    – — -Annnd in ANSWER 2 THAT QUESTION: – – – – –Are You Better Off? – –MR. PRESIDENT RESPONDS —

    – – —President Obama’s campaign answers the question Mitt Romney keeps asking.

    Greg Sargent: “The use of Clinton in the new ad is also interesting: As noted here recently, the Obama campaign believes that true undecided voters see Clinton as a kind of ‘referee’ figure on the economy — hence the ad’s back-to-back footage of Clinton and Obama both making the case that electing a Republican president would take us back to the policies that got us into trouble in the first place. Clinton will play a major role in trying to get swing voters to feel that things are indeed recovering.”

    Here’s the video: – –

    – – – – –HERE’s YOUR SATURDAY TREAT. :>) – –ENJOY.

    B BLESSED! :>)

  • GreenLadyHere

    POU FAM — – -THIS oughtta B(ibi) interestin’ – – – –

    – – –Benjamin Netanyahu To Appear On Meet The Press Sunday – —

    – – – –Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu will appear on NBC’s ‘Meet The Press’ on Sunday, according to executive producer Betsy Fischer.

    Betsy Fischer Martin


    Sunday’s @meetthepress – exclusive network interview w Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu plus US Amb to UN Susan Rice #bigshow

    Don’t trust anything that he says!! – – — Annnd what R the creds of Betsy Martin 2 interview him???? – – –

    • nellcote

      Glad to see Susan Rice is also on the show. Betsy Martin is just the producer not the interviewer. Though she might be better than Dancing Dave.

      • GreenLadyHere

        Good MornTin’ nellcote. ***BIG HUG** :>)

        DUH! – ***slaps forehead** – – -I went way 2 fast. – -:>) THANKS. :>)

        – – -AMBASSADOR – -SUSAN RICE – — -is the FIERCEST of the RICE women[v condi!] – – -:>) – – –

        –Again, THANK U. – –Good 2 C U nellcote. :>)

  • GreenLadyHere
  • GreenLadyHere

    POU FAM – — Oooooweeeee — – -GR8 NEWS!! – – –

    – — –OBAMA LEADS With 53 DAYS Til the ELECTION. . – VIDEO

    —- —A new CBS News/New York Times poll shows voters believe President Obama would do a better job with foreign policy than Mitt Romney. Jeff Zeleny, of the New York Times, spoke to the “CBS This Morning: Saturday” co-hosts about what the poll reveals.

    – – – -OF COURSE — -HE WOULD!! – – -THERE is NO QUESTION!! HAH! :>) – —

  • MonieTalks

    Another under-reported development that US media is ignoring….more than TWO TMES the number of rabbis are throwing their support for PBO this election than they did in 2008

    600 rabbis throw their support behind Obama

    Yep..Netanyahu and his coziness with Sheldon Adelson is all about doing political bidding.

    • Miranda

      Wow….great find!

    • conlakappa

      I was at a phonebank today and talking to our team leader who is Jewish and said that Jewish support for the President is overall is increasing regularly. He said that Jewish people had Israel as like number 6 on the issues that are most important to them. Like any other Americans, the economy was first. We agreed that starting a mess over there has nothing to do with getting Jewish people here fired up but about getting the RW Christians fired up with thejir coveting of Jerusalem.

      Beyond his being besties with Mittens, what’s important to remember about Bibi is that his paranoid sabre-rattling got Rabin killed. He trips the trigger of the RW mindset.

      • TyrenM

        Good to bring Bibi back to Rabin (for those that don’t think long game.)

  • GreenLadyHere

    POU FAM – – -Annnd the GOOD NEWS – -KEEPS -A-COMIN’ – —

    – – —
    Obama Widens Lead in Pennsylvania
    – —

    – – —A new Philadelphia Inquirer poll in Pennsylvania finds President Obama leading Mitt Romney by 11 points among likely voters, 50% to 39%.

    “The president’s current standing is largely built on his overwhelming backing in the Philadelphia television market, home to more than 40 percent of the state’s voters. That offsets support for Romney in the more conservative Pittsburgh market and some other areas.”

    – — –***fist bump*** @isonprize♥ – – –:>) – – —

    • nellcote

      I’ll relax a little when all the swing states show a 10+ lead. I guess that’s my “red line” lol

    • gc

      YOU GO STAC!!! (Philly friend from DK’s Sistah Speaks I still cyber-hang with.)
      Thanks GLH – needed that good news today 🙂

  • rikyrah

    Bibi Triples Down on Romney

    Josh Marshall-September 14, 2012, 6:04 PM

    The cauldron of Israeli politics has been swirling of late with the notion that Defense Minister Ehud Barak has put his chips (both for the future and with respect to Iran) on Barack Obama and Benjamin Netanyahu has put his on Mitt Romney. And as the Prime Minister increasingly works to unseat President Obama, opposition leaders have started to ask who Bibi is more intent on ousting, Ahmadinejad or Obama?

    Now comes word that Netanyahu will give an exclusive interview this weekend to Meet The Press, which gives you your answer. Netanyahu is tripling down on a Romney presidency and will do whatever he can to make it happen.


    • jds09

      This will not end well for Bibi. Either he has completely underestimated PBO or this is what Sheldon Andelson has paid for.

      • Camille

        Won’t end well not just for Netanyahu, but for Mitt Romney and Sheldon Adelson.

        For his perverted purposes, Sheldon Adelson bet on this sick horse after his preferred sick horse was felled – and it all backfired.

  • rikyrah

    Court knocks down Walker’s collective bargaining law in Wisconsin
    By Steve Benen
    Fri Sep 14, 2012 7:20 PM EDT.

    A couple of important court rulings came down this afternoon, the first in Wisconsin, where Gov. Scott Walker (R) has been dealt a major blow.

    Gov. Scott Walker’s law repealing most collective bargaining for local and school employees was struck down by a Dane County judge Friday, yet another dramatic twist in a year and a half saga that likely sets up another showdown in the Supreme Court.

    The law remains largely in force for state workers, though a federal judge struck down part of that section of the law as well earlier this year. But for city, county, and school workers the decision by Dane County Judge Juan Colas returns the law to its status before Walker signed his law in March 2011.

    Lester Pines, an attorney for the Madison teachers and city of Milwaukee employees, told the Journal Sentinel, “The decision essentially creates the (2011) status quo for municipal employees and school district employees because it declared that the essential provisions of Act 10 to be unconstitutional.”

    The ruling is still subject to appeal, but as of this afternoon, it’s a big win for labor and a defeat for Scott Walker’s union-busting efforts in Wisconsin.


  • rikyrah

    Secretary of state’s voter eligibility investigation on hold after judge issues injunction

    5:39 PM, Sep 14, 2012

    Rules governing an effort to verify the eligibility of thousands of Iowa voters cannot be enforced while a lawsuit challenging their validity goes forward, a Polk County judge has ruled.

    Judge Mary Pat Gunderson issued a temporary injunction to stay the implementation of the rules late Friday afternoon. The ruling casts no judgment on the merits of the case, but means Secretary of State Matt Schultz’s effort to check the citizenship status of more than 3,500 voters is on hold for the time being.

    Schultz has identified the potentially ineligible voters by comparing the state’s voter rolls to a Department of Transportation list of legal aliens who have obtained driver’s licenses. He’s now seeking to verify those voters’ citizenship status by cross referencing the list against a federal immigration database.

    The rules enjoined on Friday were passed earlier this summer through an emergency rulemaking process as part of Schultz’s effort to gain access to the federal database.

    In her order, Gunderson said the harm posed to Schultz’s effort by an injunction was less than the potential harm to qualified voters if the rules remained in place.


  • MonieTalks

    Why Obama doesn’t need to be Bill Clinton

    … On balance, Clinton was a good and strong president. But — and here is the second reality — it was Obama, in an even more intransigent and tribal era, who got a major health-reform package through a bitterly divided Congress. As Michael Grunwald details in “The New, New Deal,” Obama also managed to enact a major set of substantive policies — including financing the introduction of information technology into the health-care system, expanding broadband and revamping the electrical grid — that had eluded his predecessors. The accomplishments of the 111th Congress rivaled those of the Great Society Congress of Lyndon Johnson’s era. And they were achieved without the midnight phone calls or warm interactions with allies and adversaries that characterized Clinton. To a large extent, they were achieved because Obama gave his leaders in Congress a lot of slack to find majorities (or supermajorities) and intervened only when a push was needed.

    If Obama had been more like Clinton, he might have ameliorated some of the tough rhetoric used against him by many business leaders and nabobs of the financial industry whose businesses, and fortunes, he saved. He might have put more onus on Republican leaders who undercut him at every turn, even before he was inaugurated, to explain their intransigence. Such an approach certainly would have cheered a lot of people who loved those communications with Clinton but who have had none of it with Obama (me among them). But it would not necessarily have made Obama’s presidency less contentious or his accomplishments more robust.

    Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/09/14/3002509_p2/why-obama-doesnt-need-to-be-bill.html#storylink=cpy

    • jds09

      I think the reverse is true. Bill Clinton needs Obama. Already Obama’s tenure has surpassed Clinton’s in one word. Healthcare. As far as standing in the world, I’m sure Hilary has mentioned to Bill the international love PBO gets. There’s no 3rd world kid playing soccer in the dirt wearing a Bill Clinton t-shirt. PBO hasn’t thrown Bill under the bus for legislation under his watch that let the banks become venture capitalists, FDA shortened the drug testing time and encouraged the existence of the DLC (giving us Harold Ford and Co.); these policies have hurt folks. Bill knows when the dust settles he will be a mediocre president and PBO will be considered great. He’s no dummy, it’s best to align himself with strength and hope PBO doesn’t start a Obama Global Initiative when he’s done.

      • Camille

        Amen! Amen! Amen!

        Seriously spot on!

    • nellcote

      I’m glad that Grunwald book is out there. It’s been well received and read by many in the msm. It contradicts the odious Bob Woodward book in many ways and shows Woodward to be the hack we all know he is.

    • nellcote

      I’m glad PBO and Bill have come to some sort of agreement. It’s better to have Bill on the bus that throwing rocks from the sidelines. It does annoy/amuse me that the msm seem to have amnesia about their attitude toward the Clintons in the 90s though.

  • rikyrah

    Charles Blow-Elections often turn on character moments and the slopes of lines. They are about who a candidate reveals himself to be under pressure more than who he says he is on stage…..

    Taking that into account, at this moment, President Obama’s chances of being re-elected look stronger than they have in months. The Romney campaign seems to be coming off the tracks with no clear vision for how to get back on.

    Romney’s panicky, premature excoriation of the Obama administration over violence in the Middle East — a response that was factually flawed and widely panned — only served to shake the fragile faith of those who might be holding their noses to support him…..

    It also doesn’t help that Romney seems incapable of concealing his anxiety. He too often looks like a boy who just stepped on a nail and can’t remember his last tetanus shot.


    • Miranda

      He too often looks like a boy who just stepped on a nail and can’t remember his last tetanus shot.


  • rikyrah

    Liberal Librarian: I think that this week has been a fulcrum not only in the election, but in the very real fight for the soul of the country.

    Yes, way too many of our fellow citizens are still addled by hatred and bigotry. Obama should be ahead by 10-15 points, not 4-8. But let’s put that into perspective: Before the conventions, the polling averages had him ahead by at most 2 points. The debacle of Tampa and the triumph of Charlotte, without the media filter, basically reintroduced the country to both parties.

    The GOP was seen as a heartless collection of ideologues whose only interest was in achieving power to service its rich backers. There was no positive vision of the future, but a wallowing in the contention that America was “in decline”. Charlotte highlighted a party and a President who believed in the nation, believed in the ability of its citizens to make an adult decision when presented with facts. The country saw a party united in its determination to make life better for all citizens, not just the fortunate few. It was the antithesis of the malaise bruited about by the GOP


    • gc

      We have no idea what the real poll numbers are. Romney has a horrible week – his numbers are decent? No way. They are freaking at TOD. I was there to watch the sad transfer proceedings. I am loving Hillary. She and Michelle are made of flesh and blood. And with HRC, that is DESPITE not faciliated, by her husband. I get to the comments – they will never make it to November. But they “undo” the hair on fire with “BUT even if the numbers are off, we cannot get complacent” Shoot me now.
      Sorry rambling, still aggravated over my failure to amerliorate the mess in my class yesterday. Ah…off to the soup kitchen. I CAN chop carrots…

  • GreenLadyHere


    — – – –In Performance at The White House Stevie Wonder – -Wooo! Hoo! – – – –

    – – –Annnd – -THIS is in connection with this week’s series.: – –

    – —Venus and Serena Williams refuse to support documentary about their lives – –

    – – – –Venus and Serena Williams have withdrawn their support for an upcoming tennis documentary about their meteoric rise to stardom. The film, called Venus and Serena, which offers an exclusive look into the private lives of the sisters, was objected to over the content, especially the way the filmmakers portrayed their father, Richard Williams, as a controlling figure.

    According to the Los Angeles Times, the sisters will not be attending the Tuesday premiere of the film at the Toronto International. Filmmakers Maiken Baird and Michelle Major expressed regret over losing the support of the Williams sisters.
    – – – -SNIP – – –

    Some tweaks were made to the film that was compiled from some 450 hours of footage after Venus Williams expressed some concerns at the first viewing back in August, but that has since proved insufficient to get the sisters back on board.

    – – -THEY SAW IT!! – — The FOCUS was goin’ 2 B on their father. Good decision. —

    – – – –THANK U 4 da WONDERful MUSIC. Have a WONDERful DAY – -:>)

  • GreenLadyHere

    ALEXANDER2 – – – -YES it is STRANGE —’cause the VIDEO was NOT the PROBLEM.—-It WAS the EXCUSE. – – – -Ax’ the RE-THUG$$$$$

    – – –Anti-American Protests are Strange– —

    – – – –This whole fiasco surrounding the Innocence of Muslims movie is really strange. If the guy who is responsible is basically a giant crook who is actually Egyptian, then the whole thing is nothing more than a bunch of Muslims yelling at Americans because we allow people to post YouTubes. Guess what? In America, we can post YouTubes. You want us to change that? Don’t you want to be able to post YouTubes, too?

    I understand that the material is highly offensive. But the Prophet Mohammed can take it. His honor and reputation aren’t going to be harmed by a crappy YouTube. His honor and reputation are being harmed right now by people who are killing and threatening innocent people who had and have nothing to do with the crappy YouTube.

    I know that my opinion of Islam is not enhanced when my countrymen are killed because somebody posted a crappy YouTube. We have Nazis and Klansmen in this country who say and do things that are deeply hurtful to some of our most vulnerable and scarred citizens. We allow them to do it because we can take it.
    – – -SNIP – —

    We have a level-headed president at the moment, who is even familiar with Islamic culture, thanks to spending some formative years in Indonesia. That’s good, because he can think clearly and he knows where you’re coming from. But he ain’t gonna change our laws so that no one can ever say a bad word about the Prophet. We don’t do that for Jesus Christ. Respect how we roll. – – -***fist bump***

    • nellcote

      This is too simple. You have to understand just who is protesting. There’s an unwarrented assumption that people know anything true about the US and how it works.

      With that freaking VV Con going on I was thinking about religious tolerance in THIS country and thought about the mosques that have been burned down and the health care workers that have been murdered just in the last ten years. About the Glen Becks and worse spewing hatred on the radio 24/7. I think we need to get off our high horse and be honest about a lot of what goes on here.

  • lamh35

    Anyone else kinda afraid that Romney/Ryan will start receiving intelligence briefing soon? After this past week, I suspect that Romney is outsourcing his FP creds to his advisors. Whatever they say he should say he does. So I fully expect that Romney will hand off the classified briefings to those advisors and I would not be surprised to have Romney use this classified information to score political points.

    “Romney Campaign in Crisis”

    “And so it does, with the past week proving another maxim: that when shit rains, shit pours. In the space of 72 hours, what began, horrifically enough on September 11, with the murder of four Americans (including one of our best and bravest, Christopher Stevens, the U.S. ambassador to Libya) at the consulate in Benghazi spiraled into a region-wide upheaval, with angry Muslim protests directed at American diplomatic missions erupting in sixteen countries. Suddenly, the president was facing just the kind of externality that his team had been bracing for: a full-blown ­foreign-policy crisis less than eight weeks out from Election Day. And a campaign marked by stasis and even torpor was jolted to life as if by a pair of defibrillator paddles applied squarely to its solar plexus.”

    “Moments like this are not uncommon in presidential elections, and when they come, they tend to matter. For unlike the posturing and platitudes that constitute the bulk of what occurs on the campaign trail, big external events provide voters with something authentic and valuable: a real-time test of the temperament, character, and instincts of the men who would be commander-in-chief. And when it comes to the past week, the divergence between the resulting report cards could hardly be more stark.”

    • jds09

      I hoping that the CIA goes hardcore on their asses. Shows them a file (that officially doesn’t exist) and tells them “you leak this, we’ll leak that.” With the kind of character that these mofos have displayed, they’ve got some serious skeletons in their closets.

      • nellcote

        Or make up a fake file marked classified that’s just too juicy for them politically. After they go public with it, yell Gotcha!

      • TyrenM

        “Say something. I have your tax returns. Say something, I wish you would…

    • nellcote

      I would not be surprised to have Romney use this classified information to score political points.

    • GN

      I couldn’t agree more. I flat out do not feel safe with Mitt Romney receiving continuous access to sensitive information. Especially after reading that Al Qaeda has taken responsibility for the Libya embassy attack, which it says was revenge for PBO killing one of their top operatives recently. This is too hazardous and volatile a moment.

  • MonieTalks

    OMG…this sociopath even seems to smirk while praying for the dead of the Libyan attack on yesterday at a campaign stop. What is in this fool’s’ mind, or is this some lingering bad Botox effect?s…unbelievable.


    • Alma98

      He looks so phoney.

    • GreenLadyHere

      MonirTalks – —OH – –PUH-LEEZE!! –
      — He has NO EMPATHY!! – –[How ’bout dat “hair cut”.?] – – – -YEAH we REMEMBER!! – -humph!

    • conlakappa

      He also looks a lot like the previous occupant, doesn’t he? Did they poll and find that the heart clutching comes off sincere? It doesn’t.

  • GreenLadyHere

    ALEXANDER2 – — -“I. AM. THE. PRESIDENT. – -:>) — –

    – – –Weekly Address: Carrying on the Work of Our Fallen Heroes – –

    – – –President Obama speaks about the tragic loss of four of our fellow Americans who were serving in our diplomatic post in Benghazi, Libya. These Americans represented the best of our country; without people like them, we could not sustain our freedoms or security, or provide the leadership that the entire world depends on. During this time of turmoil in many different countries, the President makes it clear that the United States has a profound respect for people of all faiths, but as Commander in Chief, he will never tolerate efforts to harm our fellow Americans and will ensure that those who attack our people find no escape from justice. Now, we must carry on the work of our fallen heroes by making our country stronger, our citizens safer, and the world a better and more hopeful place.


  • GreenLadyHere


    – – —Quote of the Morning – –

    – — –“I think the whole film is a terrible idea. I think him making it, promoting it showing it is disrespectful to people of other faiths. I don’t think that should happen. I think people should have the common courtesy and judgment– the good judgment– not to be– not to offend other peoples’ faiths. It’s a very bad thing, I think, this guy’s doing.” Mitt Romney

    – [-This man’s duplicity, mendacity and equivocations are unprecedented in presidential-level politics.]

    – – – — SPOKEN like an ELEMENTARY SCHOOL LEVEL student. – –
    He got ISSUES. —He couldn’t think of the appropriate word 2 use in another statement. Annnd — afta a LONG PAUSE — he came up with – –VERY BAD.[idea]. – – —

    WHEW LAWD!- – -CAIN’T WAIT 4 the DEBATES!! LOL — – –

    He’ll prolly end up axin’ MR. PRESIDENT — -WHAT diju say? – –LOL – —

    • gc

      I noticed this with Ann first time she opened her mouth. Addresses everybody as though they were kindergarteners. I know you guys say “the help” but I doubt she’d even fake smile to staff. It’s five year olds. And not deliberately, it’s cause she reached her potential in intercommunication skills.

      Oh, and I just figured out “Crackerese. HAHA! Took me a week, but that is good!” But BC is not dumbing it down, just folksing it up.

      The Romney’s are dumb.

      GLH, I know how clever you are with the graphic aps. I see a brick with a vacant smile and good hair.

  • GreenLadyHere

    ALEXANDER2 – — BWAHAHA! – – – -WHAT took THEM sooooo LONG?? – – –

    – – –Santorum: Obama Responsible For Situation In Mid-East – –

    – – – –Rick Santorum addressed the crowd at the Values Voter Summit Saturday, offering backup to Mitt Romney’s claim that the current crisis in the Middle East is the fault of President Obama’s policies there.

    “This president has to take a share of the responsibility for what the Midde East looks like today because he helped structure it,” Santorum said. He accused Obama of “turning his back on Israel” and other allies in the region.


  • GreenLadyHere

    ALEXANDER2 – — This COMMENT: – -[From an article on teh WILLARD turning 2 GOD instead of ANSWERING the QUESTIONS!] – –

    – – – —I think these people besides being ignorant, uneducated and unsophisticated are cowards who are scared to move forward and meet the challenges of the 21st century.
    They hark back to an ideal, a utopia that never existed.
    They fail to understand that once they get all these rigid, undemocratic, unsustainable laws passed, they will be the ones most affected negatively. They don’t seem or want to believe that the freedoms they currently enjoy will be eliminated. Wonder how they will feel then, when reality bites them in the ass as they realise all the liberties such as free speech, marrying whom they choose, job security, health care etc. that they are fighting to deny others are no longer available to them either. Maybe then they will realise one cannot live on emotions alone, but need to be realistic and pragmatic also.
    September 15th, 2012 at 11:51 am]

    – — SPEAK TRUTH. :>)

  • GreenLadyHere

    ALEXANDER2 – – — -HYPOCRITE!! — – –

    – – –Romney Throws Details out Window, Turns to God

    – – – Mitt Romney has never been very specific about what he would do as president to “fix” things. He just says he’d fix this and he’d fix that. The “how” is vague. Instead of specifics, we get emotion: God. Apparently, Romney will fix America’s problems by not taking “God out of the public square.”

    That’s what he’s telling folks in Virginia.

    That’s his stump speech since the Democratic National Convention. Yes, Mitt Romney has become Rick Perry. Keeping God front and center will fix everything. As Buzzfeed observed, “Forget the economy – Romney campaigns on God, Nascar, and conservative values.” And to make the point stick, he’s got the old Pagan-baiter Pat Robertson tagging along with him. —-

    HAH! — – –WAIT til God SPEAKS 2 him!! – — – –

    • gc

      This is perfect for him. He’ll never have to “think” again. His circuits were beginning to sizzle.

      Here in CT, we are having a National Barf Day upon reading the news.

  • GreenLadyHere


    MISSIN’ U/CARRYIN’ U —IN MY ♥. :>) Back soon. :>)

    • MonieTalks

      Excellent GLH..have a good one!

  • MonieTalks

    Teen shot in Aurora massacre meets President Obama (with pic)

    A teenage boy who survived a bullet shot through his brain at July’s Aurora theater shooting finally recovered enough to meet President Obama Thursday.

    Yousef Gharbi was in an intensive care unit when Obama visited those touched by the incident on July 22nd.

    At the time, the president told Gharbi’s mother, Amee, that he hoped she would bring the boy to see him when he returned, ABC News reported.

    On Thursday, the mother finally could.

    Obama was in Colorado for a campaign rally in in the city of Golden when staffers recognized Gharbi and his mother. They had not received special treatment and had found tickets to the event on their own, Jen Psaki, Obama’s campaign spokeswoman, told ABC.

    Staffers organized a short, impromptu meeting with the president backstage.

    Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/teen-shot-aurora-massacre-meets-president-obama-article-1.1160049#ixzz26YkwEcv1

  • MonieTalks

    Former Diplomat: Doing A Good Job Invites Risk
    by NPR Staff

    …As far as security goes, Crocker says, U.S. Marines can’t protect all diplomats all the time.

    “The reality is, while all of our embassies are protected by Marines, most of our consulates are not. We simply do not have enough Marine guards to go around,” he says. “So even places in vulnerable zones, like Libya, the norm would be to have diplomatic security, which is U.S. and host-country protection.”

    The attack on the consulate in Benghazi was led by a mob, which Crocker says is particularly dangerous. “I’ve seen this up close and for real: One of the most terrifying and the most lethal and the hardest to defend against — Marines or no Marines — is a mob,” Crocker says.

    Yet, violence comes with the territory.

    “The reality is we do business in dangerous areas. We can manage risk, but we can’t prevent it if we do our jobs,” he says.

    read more: http://www.npr.org/2012/09/15/161188390/former-diplomat-doing-a-good-job-invites-risk

    • malletgirl02

      I agree with Crocker, there is nothing more dangerous or scary than a mob.