October 18, 2017

Saturday Open Thread: African-American Civil War Spies

GOOD MORNING PRAGOBOTS! We hope you’re enjoying your weekend!

We conclude our series on African-American Civil War Spies with…


Mary Touvestre


(From Harriet Tubman, Secret Agent: How Daring Slaves and Free Blacks Spied for the Union During the Civil War Thomas B. Allan)

Soon after the war began, U.S. Navy warships started steaming along coasts from Virginia to Texas, trying to keep ships from entering or leaving Southern ports. The Confederates sent out their own warships to break the naval blockade, as such an operation is called. Also sailing to aid the South were privateers, daring private ship owners and captains whose ships carried cargoes of guns, ammunition, and other supplies, mostly from British ports. The North’s blockade was named the Anaconda Plan, after the snake that slowly strangles its prey.

The Anaconda Plan did more than send Union ships to Southern coasts. The plan became part of a war-winning Union strategy that drew Harriet Tubman to South Carolina as a secret agent. It also gave many other African Americans in the South a chance to work for the North.

One important Southern port was Norfolk, Virginia, a key naval and shipbuilding center. Mary Touvestre (aka Mary Louvestre), a freed slave, was a housekeeper in Norfolk. Her employer was an engineer who was working on an important project at the Norfolk Navy Yard.

When Virginia seceded, Union forces had fled from Norfolk after setting fire to the Navy Yard and several ships,

"Merrimack" in Dry Dock, Being Converted into the Iron Battery, "Virginia" c. 1862

“Merrimack” in Dry Dock, Being Converted into the Iron Battery, “Virginia” c. 1862

including one called the Merrimack, which burned to the waterline and sank. Confederates raised the ship, renamed her Virginia, and started repairing her in secrecy.

That was the project that Mary Touvestre heard the engineer mention to his fellow workers. They talked when she was around because they considered her too ignorant to be able to understand what they were saying to each other.

But Mary realized that the men were building a new kind of ship — an ironclad warship that could destroy the wooden-hulled Union blockaders. Union cannonballs would bounce off Virginia‘s iron side, which were one to four inches thick. The Virginia also had an iron prow with and underwater ran designed to slam into and splinter the side of an enemy ship.

One day, the engineer brought home a set of plans. When Mary was alone, she stole the plans, hid them in her dress, and headed north to Washington. She carried a paper showing that she was a freed slave. But, at best, that would only get her to Confederate lines. She would have to risk her life to keep traveling on to Washington because word was spreading through the Confederacy that slaves were no longer to be trusted.

When Mary arrived in Washington, she managed to meet with Gideon Welles, Lincoln’s Secretary of the Navy. In his office, he later wrote, she reported that “the ship was nearly finished, had come out of the dock, and was about receiving her armament.: To prove her story, she handed Welles the plans and other documents she had carried from Norfolk.

Welles, surprised by Mary’s report, speeded up the building of the Union’s own ironclad, the Monitor. Before the Monitor could reach Norfolk, the Virginia sank two Union blockade ships and damaged a third. But the Monitor arrived in time to attack the Virginia.

If Mary Touvestre had not told Welles about the Virginia, a historian wrote, “the Virginia could have had several more unchallenged weeks to destroy Union ships — setting back the Anaconda Plan by opening Norfolk to blockade runners that were carrying urgently needed supplies.”


  • Miranda

    A Zimmeran wannabe
    Cops: Gun-toting HOA officer threatened residents watching fireworks
    Orlando police seize firearms and silencers from head of the Fine and Hearing Violations committee.
    By Henry Pierson Curtis, Orlando Sentinel
    8:03 p.m. EDT, July 5, 2013

    A resident watching fireworks explode late Thursday over The Hamptons at MetroWest on Turkey Lake said she feared for her life when a man carrying what looked like a machine gun ordered her to leave, according to Orlando police.

    The heavily armed man turned out to be Swapna Mandavia’s neighbor with the title of “chairman of the fine and hearing violations” committee for the west Orlando complex’s homeowners association.

    “The suspect, later identified as Howard Fox, approached her and told her to leave because it was after hours,” according to an arrest report released Friday. “Mandavia began to leave the pier when Fox raised the gun and pointed it at Mandavia and said she was doing something illegal.”

    Another resident with two children then complained about a stranger openly carrying firearms. That’s when Mandavia, 36, noticed that Fox, 47, was pointing the gun at her again, and she called 911 for help, the report stated.

    more here: http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/os-gun-hoa-threaten-resident-20130705,0,3300958.story#tugs_story_display

    • WTH??? Thank goodness no one was hurt!

    • morphus

      FLORIDUH the land of consummate idiots.

    • Alma98

      This fool said he wonders the complex at night shooting small animals. They charged him with assault with a firearm and let him out on 2,600 bail. Does he sound familiar to anyone we all know. Another George Zimmerman but got caught before he harmed someone.

    • Aquagranny911

      Is there something in the water down there? Florida is starting to make AZ look sane.

  • Booker stay doing dumb isht. *smh*

    Booker ballot slogan raises eyebrows – and ire – of Sussex Dems
    By Seth Augenstein/The Star-Ledger

    SUSSEX COUNTY — Local Democrats in this mostly-Republican corner of the state did a double-take when they saw the ballot for the upcoming U.S. Senate primary.

    Namely, it’s Newark Mayor Cory Booker’s printed slogan that has raised some eyebrows among the local party brass.

    “Sussex County Democrats 2013” is the slogan underneath Booker’s name on the sample ballot for the 2013 primary.

    But local Democrats have balked, saying they haven’t yet decided whom
    they will endorse – and the slogan could be misleading to voters, said
    Michael Busche, the Sussex County Democratic Committee chairman.

    “We were concerned that this implied we endorsed him,” Busche said. “We haven’t done that.”

    MORE: http://www.nj.com/sussex-county/index.ssf/2013/07/booker_ballot_slogan_raises_eyebrows_and_ire_of_sussex_dems.html

    • Miranda

      Who’s running his campaign? Apparently they are as arrogant as he is.

  • Saw this on LSA. Someone has compiled a list of ALL the legal documents associated with the lawsuit against Paula Deen and her brother, Bubba, on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/pages/Who-is-Lisa-T-Jackson/557190137656008?fref=ts

    Here’s a link to Bubba Heirs deposition: http://ftpcontent5.worldnow.com/wsav/documents/Hiers.pdf

  • (h/t GN)

    My interview with Trayvon Martin's brother, Jahvaris Fulton. http://t.co/mK6VCvbTWh— Sunny Hostin (@SunnyHostin) July 5, 2013

  • rikyrah

    Good Morning, Everyone 🙂

  • creolechild

    Good morning POU.

    Baltimore mayor tells Matthews: ‘The public agrees’ on gun control, ‘but Congress just hasn’t had the courage to act’

    Baltimore Mayor Stephanie Rawlings-Blake (D) used MSNBC’s host Chris Matthews’ own data on Friday to rebuke his suggestion of an urban-rural divide on gun safety laws. Rawlings-Blake said she saw not a divide among Americans, but between citizens and lawmakers.

    “That is us agreeing,” she said, pointing out Matthews’ own statement that 90 percent of Americans favor broader legislation on the issue. “The problem is, Congress can’t agree. Mayors agree, and the public agrees, but Congress just hasn’t had the courage to act.”[….]

    Read more: http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/07/05/baltimore-mayor-tells-matthews-the-public-agrees-on-gun-control-but-congress-just-hasnt-had-the-courage-to-act/

    H/T Lona Panter

    • jds09

      It saddens me that Matthews is pushing an “urban-rural divide”, more code words. Sheesh, enough already.

      • conlakappa

        He is clinging to working-class whites, whom he stops just short of calling bone-ign’nt hicks, and his perception of political power.

  • creolechild

    NLG Obtains $1M, OPD and Sheriff Reforms for Oscar Grant Protesters

    U.S. District Court Judge Thelton Henderson has granted preliminary approval to a $1.025 million settlement in a class action lawsuit brought by the National Lawyers Guild on behalf of 150 people who were arrested by Oakland Police during a Nov. 5, 2010, demonstration. The civil rights lawsuit, Spalding et al. v. City of Oakland, CAND No. C11-2867 TEH, challenged OPD’s unlawful kettling and mass arrest of the 150, and their detention by the Alameda County Sheriff’s Office, following a march protesting the light sentence given Johannes Mehserle for killing Oscar Grant.[….]

    In addition to the $1.025 million monetary payment to the arrestees and their attorneys, the settlement agreement reaffirms, and provides for court enforcement of OPD’s Crowd Control Policy for a period of up to 7 years.[….]

    Read more: http://www.nlgsf.org/news/nlg-obtains-1m-opd-and-sheriff-reforms-oscar-grant-protesters

    H/T NLG

  • sagittarius

    Good morning, POU Fam!

    I hope all is well. Still hanging out in Baton Rouge… should be heading home tomorrow.

    • GreenLadyHere

      Good MornTin sagittarius. :>) ***BIG HUG** :>)

      — —Sounds like u R ENJOYING yourself. —GOOD.! :>) Continue B safe. :>) — –B BLESSED♥ – —

    • Alma98

      Good afternoon sag! I’m glad you’re having a good time. Do a little two step for me too lol.

    • rikyrah

      Hello sag.

      Be safe.

    • Aquagranny911

      Waving at you Sag! I like Baton Rouge. We use to go there a lot when we lived in MS. Enjoy & be safe driving home.

  • creolechild

    Top U.S. Utilities Are Cleaning Up Their Acts: Plant Emissions Drop

    A new report on U.S. power plant emissions from the top 100 power producers shows that the electric industry cut emissions of nitrogen oxide (NOx), sulfur dioxide (SO2) and carbon dioxide (CO2) in 2011 – even as overall electricity generation increased, largely due to more use of natural gas and a growing reliance on renewable energy.[….]

    Read more: http://www.renewgridmag.com/e107_plugins/content/content.php?content.9915

    H/T Renew Grid

  • creolechild

    Muslim Bagel Business Owner Donates All Profits to Boston Charity

    Ehab Sadeek, an Egyptian Muslim who owns a bagel store in Winchester, Mass., called the marathon bombers “cowards who don’t represent my faith or religion.” The all-natural bakery owner, who has run the Bagel Land wholesale business for 17 years, says he will give 100-percent of his profits to the One Fund Boston. And, he will continue to do so until the last victim is out of the hospital. There are more than two dozen people still being hospitalized. (WATCH the video below, or READthe story from CBS)

    Read more: http://www.goodnewsnetwork.org/inspired/religions/muslim-bagel-business-owner-donates-profits-to-boston-charity.html

    H/T Paul Burton and GNN

  • creolechild

    Thousands Of Immigrants Celebrated Independence Day By Becoming Citizens

    Across the country on Thursday, thousands of immigrants celebrated Independence Day by becoming American citizens. In what’s become a patriotic tradition, mass naturalization ceremonies took place in different cities to celebrate the Fourth of July, with 7,800 people becoming citizens.

    But unlike in the past, this year, social media shaped the day; the New York Daily News reports that federal officials were encouraging new citizens to use the hash tag #july4natz to share their naturalization experiences online. And they did:[….]

    Read more: http://thinkprogress.org/immigration/2013/07/05/2258601/independence-day-citizenship/?mobile=nc

    H/T Annie-Rose Strasser

  • GreenLadyHere

    —- ———☺she reported that “the ship was nearly finished, had come out of the dock, and was about receiving her armament.: To prove her story, she handed Welles the plans and other documents she had carried from Norfolk.
    ————–☺ surprised by Mary’s report, speeded up the building of the Union’s own ironclad, the Monitor.
    WOW&1/2!! — THIS was NOT in any HISTORY BOOK. —Thank U. :>)
    — —ENJOY YOUR TREAT. :>) – – -B BLESSED 2-DAY. :>)– –

  • creolechild

    Saving the World, One Garden at a Time

    If you want to save the world, what’s the best way to go about it? The question plagued me all through grad school and sent me off to track relief and development efforts and organizations of all sizes in Colombia, Malawi, and elsewhere around the world. Across the board, it was clear that bigger was almost never better.

    Smaller, more flexible, organic efforts were the ones most likely to be sustainable and have a genuine and transformative impact in a community. I was therefore intrigued to learn about L.A. Green Grounds, an informal organization dedicated to “changing turf into edible gardens in South Los Angeles,” that seemed to embody the organic, smaller-is-better approach.[….]

    Read more: http://la.streetsblog.org/2012/06/05/saving-the-world-one-garden-at-a-time/

    H/T by Sahra Sulaiman and LA.Streets Blog.org

    • Aquagranny911

      You would be amazed at what we grow in a small space that is sustainable for us & conserves water. Except for July & August we can grow crops year round. Even in this heat, I still have onions, peppers, greens & herbs etc still thriving.

  • GreenLadyHere

    Sepia♥- — -WATCHIN’ the -“ESSENCE MUSIC FESTIVAL”. – -THEY R discussing Dear TRAYVON. – RIHEP. – –

    – —5 rising artists to see at Essence Music Festival
    — –Although headliners Beyoncé and Keyshia Cole aren’t to be missed at this
    weekend’s Essence Music Festival at the Superdome in New Orleans, there
    are a number of promising black artists just getting off their feet at
    the nation’s biggest (attracting 200,000-plus) R&B celebration. Here
    are five up-and-comers you should absolutely check out if you’re headed
    to this three-day “party with a purpose.”


  • creolechild

    Oregon Joins 15 Other States In Resolution Calling For The Overturn Of Citizens United (VIDEO)

    [….] Oregon joins four other states – Delaware, Maine, West Virginia and Illinois – that have called for a constitutional amendment over just thepast two months. All of the resolutions this year have passed with bipartisan support in at least one chamber. This is an issue that affects every American, regardless of political affiliation.The other states that have called for an amendment to overturn Citizens United are California, Hawaii, Massachusetts, New Jersey, New Mexico, Rhode Island, Vermont, Connecticut, Maryland, Colorado and Montana. The Washington, D.C., Council has called for an amendment as well.[….]

    Read more: http://www.addictinginfo.org/2013/07/05/oregon-joins-15-other-states-in-resolution-calling-for-the-overturn-of-citizens-united/

    H/T Omar Rivero

  • creolechild

    These Paintings by a 3-Year-old Girl Have the Art World Enchanted

    Here’s another story about a 3-year-old diagnosed with autism. She
    hadn’t been performing the “normal” tasks like speaking, playing, and interacting with others, but beneath the facade is a mind and
    personality busy with other talents. Iris Grace Halmshaw has benefitted from therapy, since her diagnosis in 2011. Her anxiety levels and sleep are much improved.

    Painting is one of the talents that have come pouring forth as a result. Rather than talking, she can express herself through art. Reminiscent of Monet, the little girl’s ethereal artwork has amazed not only her parents, but others who have looked at her work.[….] Vist her website to see more art: IrisGracePainting.com

    Read more: http://www.goodnewsnetwork.org/family-life/great-kids/3yo-girl-artwork-has-art-world-enchanted.html

    H/T GNN

    • morphus

      Beautiful paintings. Thanks for sharing.

    • They look like Monet!

  • creolechild

    Stanford online course for teachers, parents: Helping students to love math

    Already some 20,000 people have enrolled in a free online class,
    beginning July 15, that offers a new approach to engaging students in mathematics.[….] Boaler has devoted her career to studying math teaching and learning why math evokes such strong negative feelings among so many. One survey of adults found that four out of 10 hated math in school, twice as many as any other subject.

    Her research presents evidence that an approach to teaching math that includes problem solving, mathematical discussions and the use of real-life examples can not only make students more enthusiastic about the subject but also improve their performance.
    Boaler said that the other important strand in her work is the mindsets students come to math with – and the ever-present myth that only some students can be good at math.[….]

    Read more: http://news.stanford.edu/news/2013/june/online-learning-math-062813.html

    H/T Jonathan Rabinovitz

  • creolechild

    Missouri Governor Vetoes Bill To Nullify Federal Gun Laws

    Missouri Gov. Jay Nixon (D) vetoed legislation Friday that would have
    annulled federal gun laws in the state and made it a crime for federal
    agents to enforce decades-old gun laws or for anyone to publish the
    names of gun owners, the Springfield News-Leader reported.

    Nixon outlined how House Bill 436 would have violated the Constitution and the First Amendment in his veto message and accused the legislature of returning to Civil-War-era nullification.[….]

    Read more: http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/missouri-gov-vetos-bill-that-would-nullify-federal?ref=fpb

    H/T Catherine Thompson

    • Alma98

      They need to get over it, the south will not rise again.

  • creolechild

    Ellie Hylton graduates Harvard University with highest grade point
    average in Class of 2013, becomes first African American to rank No. 1

    [….] “She’s quiet at first,” says Mary Waters, a sociology professor at Harvard. “But when she does talk, she is impressive. She’s just so
    smart, so engaging — just really, really intelligent.” Waters would know. In her nearly 30 years at the prestigious Ivy League school, she has never known any undergraduate student to finish with As in every class taken at Harvard. That is until Ellie. Straight As. “Not A minuses,” Waters points out. “Straight As.” Even in courses she didn’t really like.[….]

    Given her record of academic achievement, it was only fitting for
    Ellie Hylton to finish with the highest grade point average in the Class of 2013 and rank as its Number One student. As far as anyone knows, she is the first African American to achieve such a ranking in the school’s 377 year history. And she joins an extremely short list of Harvard alum to finish their career with a straight A average. Ten years ago, the school had only recorded five other students with a 4.0 GPA.[….]

    Read more: http://baystatebanner.com/news/2013/jul/02/ellie-hylton-graduates-harvard-university-highest-/

    H/T Howard Manly

    • TyrenM

      Future President.

  • crazycanuck

    Good Morning everyone.

    • Alma98

      Afternoon cc.

  • GreenLadyHere

    Sepia♥ — – -The COMPARISONs of these 2 MOTHERS is NOTEWORTHY. – – —Martin, Zimmerman mothers testify [0 –3:30]

    — ☻Ms. Sybrina: – – -Was exposed 2 hearing the voice of her deceased CHILD. The emotion and STRENGTH that it took 2 ENDURE is INCOMPREHENSIBLE. —BUT — -SHE♥ STOOD STRONG. — -BLESS HER.
    — ☻Mrs. Z —- was able 2 FACE her GROWN MAN. — -RACIST MURDERER.


  • GreenLadyHere

    Sepia♥- — –Annnd –“Da STRUGGLE” —continues — -SADLY: —

    – –Foxx settles in for bumpy ride at DO– –
    – —– –New Transportation Secretary Anthony Foxx is taking the wheel of transportation policy for the Obama administration at a precarious time for road and transit funding.
    The transportation funding bill that was passed under Foxx’s predecessor, Ray LaHood, is set to expire in September 2014, a scant two years after it was approved by lawmakers.

    Revenue from the traditional funding source for road and transit
    projects, the 18.4 cents per gallon federal gas tax, is dwindling as
    people drive less and cars get better gas mileage.

    Eno Center for Transportation President Joshua Schank said the funding for transportation – or lack thereof – will dominate most of Foxx’s early tenure at the DOT.
    THERE IS MORE — — —
    PRAY 4 him. :>) WE KNOW that any negativity is REALLY directed toward — MR. PRESIDENT.♥ – –

  • GreenLadyHere

    Sepia♥ – – –FROM the COURT – – – –

    — –Dwight Howard tweets that he’ll sign with Rocket
    ——-Dwight Howard is joining the Houston Rockets, leaving the Los Angeles Lakers after one disappointing season to chase championships with fellow All-Star James Harden.
    “I’ve decided to become a member of the Houston Rockets. I feel (it’s) the best place for me and I am excited about joining the Rockets and I’m looking forward to a great season,”
    Howard wrote on Twitter on Friday night.

    Howard, who had never been fully comfortable with the offense under Lakers coach Mike D’Antoni, joins a Rockets team that could become an immediate contender in the NBA Western Conference with him at center.
    – – -SNIP – —

    “Naturally we’re disappointed,” Lakers general manager Mitch Kupchak said in a statement. “However, we will now move forward in a different direction with the future of the franchise and, as always, will do our best to build the best team possible.”
    THERE IS MORE. – — WATCHIN’ — — – –

    • Besides working on his game he needs to stop acting like diva. Rockets could definitely use some help in the middle.

      • GreenLadyHere

        Good MornTin’ woody45. ***BIG HUG** :>)

        LOL–Thought I “felt — -the “DIVA EFFECT”. — -LOL

        NOW he REALLY betta – – -“BRANG IT!” – –:>)

        Good 2 C U woody45. :>) Have a good day. :>)

  • GreenLadyHere

    Sepia♥ — NOTES on – –Dear “MADIBA”♥: – —

    — – –ACDP leader visits ailing Mandela

    ——-ACDP President Kenneth Meshoe and his wife have visited the Medi-Clinic Heart hospital in Pretoria where formerpresident Nelson Mandela remains in a critical but stable condition. Meshoe says they dropped off a card for Madiba who is spending his 28th day in the hospital where he is receiving treatment for a recurring lung infection.

    Another prominent figure that’s visited the ailing statesman is Chief Nyalala Pilane of Bakgatlha Ba Kgafela in Moruleng in North West.

    Pilane brought flowers for Mandela stating that his tribe is
    wishing Madiba a speedy recovery.

    Reports suggest that it’s been a quiet morning at the Medi-Clinic Heart where Mandela’s condition remains critical but stable.


  • Miranda

    Republicans Steamed At Employer Mandate Delay — For All The Wrong Reasons
    BRIAN BEUTLER JULY 5, 2013, 1:01 PM 4437

    The news that the Obama administration will delay by one year a requirement that large employers either provide employees affordable insurance or pay a penalty came as a surprise to Obamacare’s staunchest allies, and even to the people in government tasked with implementing other parts of the law.

    It’s an undeniable fact that the so-called “employer mandate” is poorly designed and creating real challenges for businesses and workers alike. When critics of the law cite the delay as evidence of an implementation “train wreck,” in other words, they’re being tendentious, and thinking wishfully, but there’s a kernel of truth to it.

    But if the employer mandate snafu were as bad and as symptomatic as Republicans would have you believe, they’d treat it as vindication — a cause for celebration. As we and others have reported, though, the employer mandate exists at the margins of the law’s core functions. The decision to delay it for a year sidelines one liability that would have harmed the law’s rollout, robs Republicans (temporarily, but during an election year) of a legitimate public critique of the law’s real-life effects, and ironically strengthens the state-based insurance exchanges, which arethe must-work components of the ACA.

    more here: http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2013/07/republicans-steamed-at-employer-mandate-delay—-for-all-the-wrong-reasons.php

  • GreenLadyHere

    Sepia — THIS SNEAKY — SLIMY -PHOOL- Continues the-
    -“WAR on WOMAN” — –

    — – –Scott Walker Quietly Signs Mandatory Ultrasound Bill Into Law
    —- –Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker (R) quietly signed new abortion restrictions into law on the Friday after the Fourth of July that will require “women seeking abortions to undergo an ultrasound and ban doctors who lack admitting privileges at nearby hospitals from performing the procedures.” The law could force two state abortion clinics to close their doors and is already sparking legal challenges from reproductive health advocates:

    The law takes effect Monday. Planned Parenthood of Wisconsin and the American Civil Liberties Union filed a federal lawsuit within hours of the signing alleging the bill is unconstitutional and asking for a temporary restraining order blocking the measure.

    “What the Legislature has done is to set up a system where the ability to provide abortions is contingent on the decision of a private institution and that’s unconstitutional,” Planned Parenthood’s attorney, Lester Pines, said in an interview.
    — -SNIP —
    — –Leading medical groups also opposed the measures.

    – – -COMMENT: -Theorj
    Is this that ‘small government’ the conservatives are always prattling on about?
    Just small enough to fit in a woman’s uterus I guess.
    — –

    • rikyrah

      they want all up in the uterus.

    • Alma98

      Lopsided head toad!

      • Aquagranny911


      • GreenLadyHere

        LOL- – Almaaaaaa – – -LOL. The imagery. LOL Thanks. :>)

  • I swear, POUers’ spidey senses be knowing thangs!

    Remember when MHP had a hissy fit about PBO’s speech in Chicago? I distinctly remember POUers saying that she had leftover issues from her divorce and being a single mom for a minute. Well, I take it these issues appeared during MHP’s show today:

    "I was an unmarried mom but I wasn't *single* because I had my mom." Oh, Melissa. You really have to let this go.— April (@ReignOfApril) July 6, 2013

    "We have to decrease the stigma about what it means to be a single mom, but I refuse to call myself one when I was." Okay, Melissa #Nerdland— April (@ReignOfApril) July 6, 2013

    • gn

      People here really did call that one in advance. She’s busy feeling guilty but not looking through the child’s eyes: missing the presence of a father is not in any way any sort of indictment of the mother. Single moms are absolutely amazing; nothing’s wrong with stating that it’s good to have dads around at the same time.

      • jds09

        As a single mom raising a black male child, it never ceased to amaze me when other black folks (particularly men) would call him the “man of the house”, I would reply, “No he is the boy of the house” to blank stares. My other non-favorite attempted compliment was that I was “both mother and father to my son”, while I replied “No, I’m just his mother” to more blank stares.
        As an adult, my son is grappling with his father’s emotional and physical absence in his life, at least he doesn’t have to work thru the bullshit “that he didn’t really need a father cause his mother was enough.” Kids need both and to proclaim otherwise, IMO does them a grave disservice.

        • gn

          Extremely well said.

        • Aquagranny911

          Very well said. My Hubby was forced into being “the man of the house” when he was only 11. I know it affected him in some painful ways. He never really got to finish being a kiddo.

        • GreenLadyHere

          Good MornTin’ jds09. ***BIG HUG*** :>)

          – -Ohhh – I MUST –CO-SIGN –THIS! —***BIG fist bump*** :>)
          I resist usin’ the phrase —“man of the house”– —for the SAME reason as yours.

          Ifff he is FORCED into MANHOOD B4 his time –WHEN does he ever get the CHANCE 2 EXPERIENCE – -“CHILDHOOD!!??

          – – -‘member —our concern 4 —

          Annnnd —**fist bump** – –2 THIS: —“No, I’m just his mother”—[O.K. WE R RELATED. :>)]

          Good 2 C U jds02. :>)

          • jds09

            Hey GLH… also I wanted the moment when I called him a “man” that it meant something important to the both of us. I’ve been blessed because we’ve been able to do that.

          • GreenLadyHere

            jds09— ***fist bump**—I hear U. :>)

            When – -“my Barack” — -went 2 college — -I laid my hand on his head annnd BLESSED him. – -Did the same 4 -“my Michelle”.—

            THEY remind me of that as a “SPECIAL MOMENT” —in their lives. ***tears/smiles*** – –

            THANK U 4 sharin’ your thoughts. :>) B BLESSED♥ :>)–

    • GreenLadyHere

      Sepia♥ — Watched this.! – It seemed 2 come out of nowhere. –

      -Soooo- – -AGAIN — -tell me how she was NOT — -“SINGLE” — – -iff she wasn’t married??- –geesh! – -She REALLY needs 2 —

      -PART 1:–DO THIS!– – –

      ‘CAUSE –by NOT acceptin’ her —REALITY —she is DENIGRATIN’ the REALITY of OTHERS!! -How DARE U! –

      -Sooo much 4 her FREEDOM!! –NOT!!

      – —PART 2: — Do THIS!

    • Miranda

      We knew it was personal for her….and personal as in, she is feeling the guilts and really needs to work it out with a good therapist and stop putting her emotional guilt off on others through her show.

      • conlakappa

        It really feels like she is trying to distinguish herself from women who had children without having been married, which seems kind of dumb if the net result is that a child is missing his/her father.

        • Alma98

          Yep, I’m not like those other black women having babies out of wedlock.

        • pamelabrown53

          The crux of the matter shouldn’t be about being legally married, then divorced (for a time) vs. moms who never married.
          What I hope ALL moms do is facilitate close connections for their sons with men they admire to the best of their abilities according to circumstance.


          • Aquagranny911

            Excellent point, Pamelabrown53!

          • conlakappa

            Of course. Daughters as well. When my father died, I mourned the relationship we never had, the 20+ years we had no contact (it really isn’t nice to no longer reach out to a child once the court-mandated child support ends), and the coffin also closing on having a decent relationship with the man most essential to my life.

  • rikyrah

    House Disregards Electoral College Logic

    by BooMan
    Sat Jul 6th, 2013 at 10:40:01 AM EST
    Take a look at an Electoral College calculator. If the Republicans fail to pass comprehensive immigration reform and thereby badly alienate the Latino community, they can write off winning Nevada, Colorado, and New Mexico. In order to win the presidency, they would have to win Iowa, Ohio, Virginia, North Carolina, and Florida. And I am being generous in assuming that Florida would still be an attainable goal. If they can’t win Florida, they’d have to replace it by winning both Wisconsin and Pennsylvania. When certain conservatives talk about abandoning any Latino outreach efforts in favor of a strategy of getting a greater share of the white vote, what they are really saying is that they can win the Electoral College by winning midwestern industrial states like Iowa, Wisconsin, Ohio, and Pennsylvania, even while losing Florida and the southwest (excluding Arizona).

    One thing to consider is that this kind of strategy consigns any Republican nominee to a situation in which they have to run the table on a half dozen competitive state races in order to win the barest of majorities. If they lose even one race, they will lose. And, if they win, they will win by the skin of their teeth with almost half of the country opposed to them.

    I’d add that any strategy that depends on winning Pennsylvania and Wisconsin is pretty close to hopeless. Pennsylvania was last won by a Republican in 1988 and Wisconsin was last won by a Republican in 1984. Even Iowa is problematic. Bush won it in 2004, but that is the only time since 1984 that Republicans have carried the state.

    However, it doesn’t seem like the Republican House majority is thinking at all about presidential elections as they consider what to do about immigration reform. This places the Democrats in the catbird’s seat. The Democrats will be almost assured of winning the presidency in 2016 if the House refuses to pass a comprehensive bill. Yet, their chances won’t really be dimmed if the House agrees to reform. That’s because, as it stands, the Republicans have only the narrowest of chances of winning the Electoral College regardless of what they do.

    Still to have a fighting chance, they need to keep as many states in play as possible, and the only way to do that is to pass immigration reform.


    • jds09

      Nah…they’re not disregarding the electoral college, they’ve painted themselves into a corner, trapped by the tea party. They couldn’t move even if they wanted too.

    • jziglar

      Booman makes a great point but I would add that colorado, new Mexico and Nevada are already light blue states. Especially Nevada and new Mexico due to the registration advantage the dems have in those states.

    • TyrenM

      Thus trying to steal Penn. Trickanery with the EC a la Nebraska.

  • Alma98


    • rikyrah

      Good Morning, Alma

      • Alma98

        Afternoon rikyrah! And it’s going to be a hot one today.

        • conlakappa

          It is hotter than homemade sin around here. When we left the house at 8:30, it was 84. So not a good sign and not a way to start the day!

          • Aquagranny911

            Ha, Ha, Ha…only 84? We should be so lucky. We won’t see temps that low till late October.

          • conlakappa

            84 then. Right now it is 89 but feels like 99, according to the Weather Channel. Hey, you folks out there in the desert chose to live in might-as-well-be-walking-on-the-sun conditions. We Mid-Atlantic people, not so much.

          • Aquagranny911


          • Alma98

            LOL I’m stealing hotter than homemade sin. It’s the same here I believe it’s AG’s fault.

          • Aquagranny911

            Go ahead blame me but you know I will get even some time & you won’t like it.

          • Alma98


    • GreenLadyHere

      — –GOOD MORNTIN’ Alma98. — -***BIG–SUNNY -HUG*** :>)– –

      –Annnnd IT’S — -a “FUN SUN!” :>)– –THANK U♥. :>) [Hello 2 daughter. :>)] —-B BLESSED 2-DAY. :>)

      • Alma98

        Good afternoon GLH, glad you liked the sun!

        • GreenLadyHere

          :>) Ohh YES.—-It makes me —***smile** :>) – – -Thank U 4 the DAILY JOY. :>) –

          • qosine

            Yes, Alma does bring “the daily joy.”

          • GreenLadyHere

            GEEY qosine♥ —-***BIG HUG **** :>) –

            — -***fist bump*** —Sooo –How R U 2-day?- -:>) – –BEST wishes. :>) —

          • qosine

            I’m doing great! I’m working on some Dem
            paperwork this weekend for upcoming
            projects. Must GOTV for Voting Rights.
            You and our POU fam inspire me, more
            than you’ll ever know.

          • GreenLadyHere

            qosine — -Your PROJECTS MUST B – – – -da BOMB!.! —:>) —THIS is da place 4 –information annnd inspiration. :>)- –

            Iff U wish 2 SHARE a snippet — -please do. :>)

    • Aquagranny911

      Hola, Alma! Today’s sun is cute. It’s cooling a bit here. Expected to be only 105 today.

      • Alma98

        Hey AG! it’s hot here today, I think you sent your heat my way lol. Disqus is acting up, when I liked AG’s comment it chose dislike.

        • Aquagranny911

          You know I like to share, lol.

          • Alma98


    • crazycanuck

      Good Afternnoon Alma

      • Alma98

        Afternoon cc.

    • qosine

      Hey, Alma. We need your sun down in TN!
      Rain, rain, rain here.

      • Alma98

        Sending it your way lol.

  • Aquagranny911

    Sepia, your series this week has been fascinating. I really enjoyed it.

    • Glad you enjoyed it!

  • Miranda

    Nothing Compares to the N-Word
    It drips of blood and drags a brutal history. No other term can cause as much harm.
    By: Patrice Gaines | Posted: July 6, 2013 at 12:22 AM

    (The Root) — “Creepy-ass cracker.” These words have been on my mind since Rachel Jeantel spoke them on the witness stand in the trial of George Zimmerman. As a prosecution witness, Jeantel testified that shortly before Zimmerman killed Trayvon Martin, her friend told her by phone that some “creepy-ass cracker” was following him. Her appearance has been followed by days of analysis of this phrase, but to me most of the discussion has been misguided.

    The defense attorney Don West asked Jeantel, “You don’t think that’s a racial comment?”

    She said, “No.”

    I almost missed the question because I was stuck on the word “creepy.” I wanted to know: Why did Trayvon Martin call Zimmerman “creepy”? What was it about Zimmerman’s behavior that made him seem “creepy”? I was not interested in the “cracker” part of the quote at all.

    more here: http://www.theroot.com/views/nothing-compares-n-word

  • Miranda

    Twitter Loves Dr. Bao in Zimmerman Trial

    The medical examiner, who performed Trayvon Martin’s autopsy, has become a worldwide trending topic, thanks largely to black Twitter.

    (The Root) — Twitter continues its communal viewing of the George Zimmerman murder trial, and while it was inevitable that the people charged with defending Zimmerman would be seen as heartless bullies by those rooting for justice in the form of a guilty verdict, today a hero emerged in the form of medical examinerDr. Shiping Bao, the man who performed Trayvon Martin’s autopsy.

    On the stand, Dr. Bao pushed back against any effort the defense made to mold or reinterpret his answers. Media covering the trial referred to Dr. Bao as “rogue” and “combative,” but Twitter saw a man who stuck to his guns and refused to be railroaded.

    It wasn’t long after Dr. Bao took the stand that #BaoDown became a world trending topic, used to mark tweets championing the medical examiner’s testimony. Check out a few of them below.

    more here: http://www.theroot.com/blogs/grapevine/twitter-loves-dr-bao-zimmerman-trial

  • Miranda

    Tavis Smiley, Vernon Jordan write judge to praise Jesse Jackson Jr.

    WASHINGTON — — Broadcaster Tavis Smiley and attorney Vernon Jordan are the latest high-profile people to show support for former Rep. Jesse Jackson Jr., who will be sentenced July 3 for looting his campaign treasury of about $750,000.

    Letters from the two were filed Friday in federal court.

    Smiley, who hosts “Tavis Smiley,” which airs on PBS, wrote that when he spoke recently to Jackson, “the first words out of his mouth were an acknowledgment and apology for letting me and so many others down.”

    more here: http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2013-06-23/news/jesse-jackson-tavis-smiley-0623-20130623_1_sandi-jackson-jesse-jackson-jr-south-side-democrat

    • conlakappa

      So, Juicymoufded One made it about him? Does Triple J think he is some kind of race man? He let himself, his family, and his constituents down.

  • rikyrah

    We’ll now find out that Section Two is also very hurtful and unkind
    Posted by Kay at 10:32 am
    Jul 062013

    Should be fun to watch conservatives frantically pivot and object to Section Two:

    Texas Secretary of State John Steen immediately announced that his state’s voter photo identification law — which had been passed by the Texas legislature in 2011, but then barred by a federal judge using section 5 of the Voting Rights Act — will now be in effect.

    Steen was sued Wednesday by Rep. Marc Veasey, D-Texas, who represents a Latino-majority district in the Dallas area, and other plaintiffs who claimed that the photo ID law will cause candidates to incur new costs in running their campaigns; make it harder to mobilize voters; and in some cases, bar people from voting, for example, if the name on their driver’s license doesn’t match the name on their voter registration certificate.

    The plaintiffs contend that the Texas voter ID violates Section 2 of the VRA.

    As Chief Justice John Roberts noted in the majority opinion in the Shelby County case, “Section 2 is permanent, applies nationwide, and is not at issue in this case.”

    Nina Perales, vice president of litigation at the Mexican American Legal Defense and Educational Fund in San Antonio, Texas, said, “It’s going to be very costly and potentially time consuming to litigate that (voter ID) issue under Section 2. It’s very expensive to do the kind of statistical analysis that’s required in that case.”

    And the burden of proof is on the plaintiffs to show the law would have a discriminatory effect — and not on Texas to justify the law. Attorney General Eric Holder could also decide that the Justice Department will sue Texas under Section 2.

    Political scientist Michael McDonald, a voting expert at George Mason University, said the high court’s decision in the Shelby County case “is a yellow light for voting law changes, not a green light for voting law changes – because if jurisdictions overstep, they may find themselves in court under section 2 litigation – and they may find the courts willing to put them back under section 5” using a provision called “bail-in” — which was not at issue in Tuesday’s decision.


  • Aquagranny911

    Hola Peeps!
    This is sort of heads up. I got an email from my credit union telling me that there is some sort of movement afoot to strip credit unions of their tax free status. Credit unions are non-profit member owned so they are able to loan money at lower rates, pay higher dividends & not charge your ass off for every little service. If their tax status changes this could be a bad thing for credit unions & those of us who are members.

    Looks like the banksters don’t like how they are losing business & that the Consumer protection is shutting down their scams to fleece the public as fast as they try to create them.

    Anybody else know anything more about this? I’m in for a fight to protect our credit unions!

    • Alma98

      I will check it out AG, you’re right banks are being greedy.

      • Aquagranny911

        Are you a CU member? I would check with them. I’m going to call ours on Monday & see if I can get more info

        • Alma98

          Yes I am that’s a good idea I’ll call ours too.

          • Aquagranny911

            Looks like Morphus gave us a great link we can follow.

    • morphus

      Credit Union National Association’s appeal for help: http://www.donttaxmycreditunion.org/

      • Alma98

        Thank you morphus!

      • Aquagranny911

        Gracias Morphus!

    • TyrenM

      Thanks for the heads up. I’m part of a group trying to get a Black-owned CU in Minnesota. There used to be one…it’s needed again.

  • GreenLadyHere

    Sepia♥ — –Seem as ifff this is VERY FIRM – —2 SPITE. —

    — –Venezuela offers asylum to U.S. fugitive Snowden
    —— —Venezuela’s President Nicolas Maduro offered asylum to former U.S. intelligence contractor Edward Snowden in defiance of Washington, which is demanding his arrest for divulging details of secret U.S. spy programs.

    Snowden, 30, is believed to be holed up in the transit area of
    Moscow’s Sheremetyevo international airport and has been trying to find a country that would take him since he landed from Hong Kong on June 23.

    – – -???? – — ->”In the name of America’s dignity … I have decided to offer humanitarian asylum to Edward Snowden,” Maduro told a military parade marking Venezuela’s independence day.

    –[-PUH-LEEZE! —>]”He is a young man who has told the truth, in the spirit of rebellion, about the United States spying on the whole world.”

    • Aquagranny911

      I am so sick of this little pissant! Does Venezuela have an embassy in Moscow? Snowbum can go be trapped there like that Asstrange weirdo is in the Ecuador embassy.

      There is no way that they can fly Snowslush from Moscow to Venezuela without entering airspace of someone who has said they will restrict him.

      • crazycanuck

        LOL snowslush. Has he tried Canada yet? I want him to try so we can kick his ass to the curb also.

        • Aquagranny911

          Oh, I would have to come up & help you. I’ll bring a potted cactus so we can also smash his smug face it it after we do the ass kicking!

      • GreenLadyHere

        HEEY Aquagranny911. ***BIG HUG*** :>)–

        — –***fist bump***– —

        NONE of these players CARE ’bout — DETAILS!! —It’s all ’bout —DEFIANCE!! – — WE KNOW!! – – –

        – – –KARMA–will SPEAK!! – —

        Good 2 C U Aquagranny. —Have a good day. :>) –

  • Miranda

    Afternoon thread is up!