September 25, 2017

Saturday Open Thread: Notable Black Historians

Clayborne Carson has devoted his professional life to the study of Martin Luther King, Jr., and the movements King inspired.

Since receiving his doctorate from UCLA in 1975, Dr. Carson has taught at Stanford University, where he is now professor of history and founding director of the Martin Luther King, Jr., Research and Education Institute.

During his undergraduate years at UCLA, Dr. Carson participated in civil rights and antiwar protests, and many of his subsequent writings reflect his experiences by stressing the importance of grassroots political activity within the African-American freedom struggle.

Carson’s scholarly publications have focused on African-American protest movements and political thought of the period after World War II. His other publications include Malcolm X: The FBI File (1991) and African American Lives: The Struggle for Freedom (2005, co-author), a comprehensive survey of African-American history.

In 1985, the late Coretta Scott King invited Dr. Carson to direct a long-term project to edit and publish the papers of Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. In 2005, Carson founded the Martin Luther King, Jr. Research and Education Institute to endow and expand the work of the Kings Papers Project.

Under Carson’s direction, the King Papers Project has produced six volumes of The Papers of Martin Luther King, Jr. — a projected fourteen-volume comprehensive edition of King’s most significant speeches, sermons, correspondence, publications, and unpublished writings.

Dr. Carson also served as senior advisor for the award-winning, public television series on the civil rights movement, “Eyes on the Prize.” In addition, he served as historical advisor for “Freedom on My Mind,” which was nominated for an Oscar in 1995, as well as for “Chicano!” (1996), “Blacks and Jews” (1997), “Citizen King” (2004), “Negroes with Guns: Rob Williams and Black Power” (2005), and “Have You Heard from Johannesburg?” a multipart documentary about the international campaign against apartheid in South Africa.

  • Miranda

    SMH….In Fracas on Train, Parolee Found That Hitting Back Was a Risky Option“You could have at least said, ‘Excuse me.’ ” And with those eight words, it was on.

    The No. 3 train had pulled into the Utica Avenue stop in Brooklyn that afternoon, Jan. 24, and several passengers rushed to board the waiting No. 4 train, among them a 55-year-old man and two teenage girls. On this, everyone agrees.

    The man, Charles Bunn, said one of the girls bumped into him. He was annoyed, and after he took his seat and saw the two girls sitting across from him, he spoke those eight words. more here:

    • Admiral_Komack

      The article says that the young lady lost the child due to, she believes, the fracas (she was pregnant).
      Too bad.
      I got no pity for her.
      Don’t fight while pregnant.

      • Miranda

        She said she was on her WAY to get a sonogram and yet and still that didn’t stop her from completely clowning…and only what, 18? Just a sad state of affairs. No self control, and I’m guessing from her rap sheet no guidance in her life at all. SMH

        • Worldwatcher7

          Sad story. But at least now she has some time to work on herself BEFORE she becomes a parent. (If this was her first child….)

    • GN

      Strong side eye to the NYT. It is unfortunate, but many people behave like assholes on the subway. Of all backgrounds and colors. I witnessed an out of control white woman berate and hit a bike messenger from 7th ave in Brooklyn to 34th street in Manhattan for the “offense” of bumping her with his bike when he got on the train. Many people intervened as she continuously attacked this man who never hit her back. Poor subway behavior and etiquette is unfortunately a fact of life in NY (although the vast majority of people are well-behaved), but I wonder why they chose to highlight this story and paint a portrait of pathology.

      • Miranda

        I also wondered “why this particular story?”…serious side eye as well.

        • GN

          Exactly, and it *is* a trifling story, mind you lol. The NYT is just not a stranger to some racial propaganda bs.

  • Miranda

    Oh great…now he’s gonna ante up his crazy. I hope somebody passes around video of him grinning in Eric Holder’s face at the SOTUSenate Decisions Could Put Lindsey Graham’s Seat At RiskSen. Lindsey Graham of South Carolina is known as a deal maker.

    In recent weeks, it seems the senator has done his best to get as much ink as possible, talking about things that do play well with the conservatives in his home state, including immigration and gun control.

    Graham also held up the nomination of Chuck Hagel as defense secretary to get more answers about what happened in Benghazi, even as he admitted Hagel had nothing to do with it.

    Republican senators who have shown moderate leanings have been hit with primary challenges from the right recently, and while no serious challenger has emerged yet in South Carolina, there are a whole lot of people hoping one does. more here:

    • Admiral_Komack

      “Sen. Lindsey Graham of South Carolina is known as a deal maker.”

      By who?

      • nellcote


        • Admiral_Komack

          Oh, no!
          Not “that one!”

    • lamh36

      I am shocked that no one has ever challenged Lindsey on the “bachelor uncle” rumours in all these many campaigns he’s had. Or maybe dudes so deep in the closet they can’t find nuthin. At least he ain’t trying to hide behind a beard like Charlie Crist…allegedly.

      • Admiral_Komack

        Oh, the dudes are deep into something (as I stroll into The Bad Lounge)…

      • nellcote

        some of the SC teabaggers were dropping hints last time he ran. Maybe that’s why he’s so panicky this time. It does look like macho overcompensation.

  • GreenLadyHere


    — – – — — WHO BEST CAN TELL OUR LEGACY? :>) – —

    – – – — – -☻Dr. Carson has taught at Stanford University, where he is now professor of history and founding director of the Martin Luther King, Jr., Research and Education Institute.

    — – —–☺ Dr. Carson participated in civil rights and antiwar protests, and many of his subsequent writings reflect his experiences by stressing the importance of grassroots political activity within the African-American freedom struggle. – – – -[MR. PRESIDENT EMBODIES — -GRASSROOT ACTIVTY. [OFA] :>)]

    – – —– -☺In addition, he served as historical advisor for “Freedom on My Mind,” which was nominated for an Oscar in 1995, as well as for “Chicano!” (1996), “Blacks and Jews” (1997), “Citizen King” (2004), “Negroes with Guns: Rob Williams and Black Power” (2005), – –HE FIGHTS 4 ALL WHO R OPPRESSED!! —GOOD ON HIM!! :>) – –THANK U! :>)

    – — — – – ——Freedom On My Mind – -POWERFUL!! –



    – – – — -B BLESSED 2-DAY♥ – — – –

  • GreenLadyHere

    ALEXANDER2 – — – -Awwww – – – -THIS PIC♥- — — [He was – -WARNED!!] LOL – –

    – — –FLOTUS, Fallon mix it up on Twitter– -:>) – –

    – ——-First Lady Michelle Obama is egging on late night show Jimmy Fallon ahead of her appearance on his show Friday.

    She warned him on Twitter to bring his A game to their expected fitness face-off and showed him her “game face,” which looks remarkably similar to McKayla Maroney’s “not impressed” face:


    – — – – –WE ♥ U! :>) – —

  • GreenLadyHere

    ALEXANDER2 – – —***yawn*** — – – NO KIDDIN’ — – ***sigh** – – – -LOL–

    – —-Pennsylvania Supreme Court Justice Convicted of Corruption– –

    — —–A member of Pennsylvania’s highest court was convicted Thursday of corrupting the election process in her campaigns to win a seat on the bench, triggering renewed calls to change the system of electing state judges,” the AP reports.

    Justice Joan Orie Melvin (R) “was just the second known Supreme Court justice to be convicted in nearly three centuries, and her conviction may soon set in motion political campaigns by would-be justices vying to replace her.”

    – – – – -BUT WAIT. . . . . . . . .. .

    – – -COMMENTS: – ☻- – WADE_NYC
    This kind of behavior is reprehensible regardless of political party, but it’s also worth noting that she comes from a prominent family of REPUBLICANS in the state of Pennsylvania.

    – — – -☻ hagar32grady WADE_NYC
    Her sister was a State Senator , she is already in prison. ….Three Orie sisters all convicted of corruption. Must run in the family……
    – –


  • GreenLadyHere


    – — — Weekly Address: Congress Must Act Now to Stop the Sequester

    – — – —President Obama urges Congress to stop the sequester </b.– the harmful automatic cuts that threaten thousands of jobs and affect our national security from taking effect on March 1.

    – – – – -LEAD ON — -MR. PRESIDENT!! —:>) – —

  • GreenLadyHere

    ALEXANDER2 – —GOOD – –CALL! – -OUT — AGAIN!! — -HAH! – – –

    – — Unhinged Republicans Completely Abandon Reality With Latest Sequester Lies – — –

    — – — –There are occasions that a person relates a story that is purely imaginary, or seemingly so remarkable as to elicit disbelief that one may question the person’s sanity, or if they are fabricating facts why they are averse to veracity. The problem with people who manufacture facts is that after one or two times being exposed as out-of-touch with reality, or after being caught lying repeatedly, is that even sympathetic folks tend to disbelieve anything the person says. Republicans and their punditry have finally gone so far off the rails to avoid any responsibility for the sequester that they are blatantly lying and revising the historical record of the past four years. Either conservatives have abandoned reality, or have just awoken from a four-year coma, because the statements they are making about President Obama are nothing short of insane, and thoroughly false.
    – – — SNIP — – –
    – –First, it is stunning that conservatives have devised this parallel universe where Republicans were open to compromise, or willing to approach any issue over the past four years in a spirit of bipartisanship or cooperation for the good of the country. Perhaps they forgot that on Inauguration night 2009, Republicans conspired to obstruct any proposal from the President, and followed through throughout his entire first term including jeopardizing the full faith and credit of the United States, and earned America its first credit downgrade in history.
    – — – –SNIP —
    — – – –Still, the President has given Republicans a plan and John Boehner said the President should pressure Senate Democrats to offer a sequester replacement plan after they offered one up. House Democrats and the Progressive Caucus also submitted replacement plans and Republicans are on hiatus . . . .

    THERE IS MORE — – – —

    – — –LIARS! — LIARD! – — LIARS!! –THEY —GOT — – -GOT!!– – — -HAH!

  • GreenLadyHere

    ALEXANDER2 —- – -GOOD NEWS – – -:>)- —

    — –Obama to attend Gridiron dinner – –

    — – — — President Obama has agreed to attend this year’s Gridiron Club Dinner, the annual white-tie event hosted by 65 of Washington’s top media figures.

    “I am pleased to report that President Obama has accepted our invitation to the March 9, 2013, Spring Dinner, his fourth Gridiron dinner,” Chuck Lewis, the president of the Gridiron club, wrote in an email to members on Friday.

    – —This will be Obama’s second appearance at the dinner as President; he did not attend the 2009, 2010 and 2012 dinners. Though smaller than the White House Correspondents’ Association dinner, the Gridiron dinner is a significant event in Washington, especially for the press. The dinner includes satirical skits and humorous speeches — or, at least, speeches intended to be humorous — from political guests.

    — –Obama’s 2011 speech received a positive response from the roughly 700 audience members, as did his 2004 and 2006 speeches as a Senator. – —

    — — -Lookin’ FORWARD – – -> . . . .

  • GreenLadyHere


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    Oh look, land and a coast. Let’s just ignore all the brown people who were here first. We’re better and deserve it more. #whitehistoryclass

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    For those complaining about my #whitehistoryclass tweets ….
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    —– -LUVIN’ IT!! :>) – – –

    — – – – STR8 TRUTH — -LOL – –

    – –☻DarkAngelKiely ‏@darkangelkiely
    The #whitehistoryclass & #whitehistoryclasses tags are the best things to happen to twitter in a very long time
    – – –

    – – -MORE L8R – -:>)– –

  • GreenLadyHere

    ALEXANDER2 – – – – – -OH –PUH-LEEZE!! – — –Says FIRST LADY♥ – —

    – —Michelle Obama dismisses 2016 speculation during ‘Let’s Move’ TV tour

    – —- –Michelle Obama laughingly dismissed speculation that she could run on a two-woman ticket with Hillary Clinton in 2016 during her appearance on the “Late Night Show with Jimmy Fallon” Friday night.

    The popular first lady – two-thirds of Americans have a favorable view of her – is on a TV tour to promote the third anniversary of her “Let’s Move” initiative to combat childhood obesity. She told the comedian that she has other ambitions than the presidency.

    “You know, I have my eye actually on another job,” she told Fallon. “And I hear that when Jay Leno retires that ‘The Tonight Show’ position is going to open and I’m thinking about putting my hat in the ring.”

    – – – -U KNOW –that SHE WOULD B — -#1!! – – -Woo! Hoo! —

    • GN

      She’d be amazed at how many people would vote for her and enthusiastically go to bat for a Michelle O presidency. I know she doesn’t want it, but wow would she be an incredible POTUS…

      • GreenLadyHere

        HEEY GN. ***BIG HUG*** :>)

        – — -***BIG –fist bump*** – –

        -U! — AIN’T- -NEVA! – – -LIED! :>) – – -WISHFUL thinkin. :>)

        Good 2 C U GN. :>)- – –

  • What’s this supposed to mean?

    Clara Jeffery ‏@ClaraJeffery
    Love the @FLOTUS “mom dance” with Jimmy Fallon But when do we get her hospital executive dance?

    • Alma98

      They’re just being contrary Sepia, I guess this is some feminist jab at FLOTUS.

      • So, once again, Miss Ann is trying to tell a Black woman what she should do.

        • Alma98

          Not to mention black women have been working since we were dragged here. I guess it’s ok to stay at home as long as you’re taking care of their parents or their children.

    • jds09

      Becky needs to have a seat.

    • TresL

      I guess being a feminist only involves work or career; no play, no husband, no children and clearly no fun. To that kind of feminism I say, NO THANKS!!!

      • But here’s some irony for you from her twitter page:

        Clara Jeffery Verified account

        Co-editor of Mother Jones. Mom. One very tired lady.

        ÜT: 37.770364,-122.410351 ·

        So, it’s OK for her self-id as “Mom” but it’s not OK for FLOTUS?

        • Alma98


        • creolechild

          Those who can…do (FLOTUS), and those who can’t…criticize (Jeffery).

        • Ebogan63

          Oh, so this is the one trynna get folks in trouble on twitter for criticizing Mother Jones bullshit? She was having folks on Mother Jones call folks place of employment to get they asses fired.Screw her bullshit

          • Miranda

            What? come again?

          • Say what now?

    • creolechild

      Someone has her thong in a twist over the fact that FLOTUS served in an executive position on the board of a local hospital in Chicago and was paid well for it. Of course, the fact that she had the credentials to support the level of pay she received (or was it a raise…can’t remember) never factored into the petty criticisms that were circling at the time. I also recall that there was an attempt to make it seem like her position was a “political favor” and one of the primary reasons she received such a high level of compensation.

      I mean, the fact that she’s a Princeton and Harvard graduate has nothing to do with it, right? (smirk)

      There were also bogus claims being made that she influenced hospital decisions that didn’t serve the black community well. Might I add that none of these accusations stood up under scrutiny and when further examined showed that FLOTUS was actually looking out for the interests of residents in that particular community.

      So, now I’m going to be petty (because it’s one of those kind of days) by stating that if the person from whom this comment originated is a PUMA, or a Clintonista, when do we get to see Hillary do her Walmart board of director’s dance?

      Don’t start none, won’t be none….

      • Alma98

        I forget where I saw it at. But some ass tried to throw that “she didn’t help the black community” last week. People in the Comments shut that shit down with the quickness.

        • jziglar

          Notice how these people always say that Barack or Michelle haven’t done this or that for the black community, and they can never produce any evidence. But they sure love to pretend that Hillary and Bill did a lot for the community.

          • nellcote

            that “sistah solja moment” left an impression for sure. oh, you said did it ‘for’ the community not ‘to’.

      • isonprize

        Don’t start none, won’t be none….


        Another thing, do folks not know or conveniently forget that Michelle Robinson was already at the law firm where they met when Barack Obama got there? He was assigned to work for her.

        White ‘feminist’ privilege bullshit is really tiresome.

    • rikyrah


  • nellcote

    An interesting shift in political strategy and policy negotiations was felt through the Capitol on Friday, with news that a rising star in Democratic circles will immediately resign his seat in the state Senate.

    Sen. Michael Rubio, D-Shafter, cited the need to spend time with his family in a statement announcing his resignation.

    His statement says he will accept a government relations job with Chevron.

    The news came as a complete surprise in the Capitol community. Most notably, it removes the Democratic supermajority in the statehouse before the party’s legislators ever got a chance to flex their newly won political muscles.

    There are now three vacancies in the Legislature’s upper house, all Democrats who have left their elected posts early (the first two were senators who won seats in Congress last fall). That means only 26 Democrats, one short of the supermajority. While Democrats are no doubt favorites to ultimately retain enough seats to resume their supermajority status, the temporary drop in power ends talk of any immediate actions on issues ranging from taxes to urgency measures and beyond.


    • Alma98

      This sounds so shady nellcote, why the hell did you run then resign?
      Do you think blackmail is involved?

      • Worldwatcher7

        That Chevron job sounds like bribery.

        • Alma98


      • nellcote

        Turns out it might not be as bad senate-wise as it first seemed. Though the Chevron gig is really distasteful.

        “The governor will call a special election shortly to fill the Democratic-leaning seat, which has an 18point D registration advantage. However, as Rubio was the chair of the Environmental Quality Committee and a leader on CEQA reform, the move could change the complexion of how we will change our environmental quality laws. As the most moderate of the Senate’s Mod Squad, his absence from the chamber could change the caucus to the left somewhat, even given the temporarily smaller majority.”

        We should be able to get someone not so blue doggy in there.

        • Alma98


  • ORLY now?

    My answer to the Conservative Political Action Conference
    Chris Hayes, @chrislhayes
    9:40 AM on 02/23/2013

    …Yes, the legendary Conservative Political Action Conference had invited yours truly to participate at its 40th annual conference this March. I was specifically invited to be part of a panel called: “CSI Washington, D.C.: November 2012 Autopsy” along with Ann Marie Buerkle, John Fund, Michael Barone and Ralph Reed. I would be among 10,000 hard core conservative activists gracing the same stage as everyone from Marco Rubio to Sarah Palin to Mitt Romney, who have used the occasion to flaunt their conservative bona fides.

    The form letter invitation I received even paid me the odd compliment of calling me “one of America’s leading conservative voices.”

    …My initial reaction was: of course I’ll go! As someone who attempts to convene discussions across various ideological boundaries, I have a special appreciation for CPAC’s willingness to invite someone with my politics to speak to the attendees. And as someone who regularly invites conservatives to sit at our table with a bunch of liberals, leftists and progressives, it seems only sporting (and karmically appropriate) for me to accept.

    But then I remembered, thanks to a number of conservatives in my twitter feed, a pretty gross episode from 2011.


    So let me get this straight. Chris won’t attend CPAC because they’re bigots for discriminating against GOProud, a gay right-wing organization, and if they would change their mind and allow GOProud to attend, he would be willing to attend. Now, correct me if I’m wrong, but doesn’t CPAC support voting laws that seek to disenfranchise Black and Brown voters? So even if they did allow GOProud to attend CPAC, they would still be a bigoted organization.

    • jds09

      Ahhhh….hummmm…I think he’s scared. lol

    • trose1

      CPAC is a racist right wing nut job convention. Chris Hayes knows their history. He was happy to attend until he found out they were going to exclude some racist GOP gay group.
      NOW he is offended.

      • Admiral_Komack

        Dumbass got found out & is looking for an excuse.

        • trose1

          EXACTLY, he was on a printed agenda. Why would they advertise his appearance it had not said yes, Now he is making demands (rolling my eyes).

          • Hol’ up! So CPAC had already printed the flyers/ads with Hayes name on it?

          • trose1

            Yes Rachel let it slip he was going to be on a panel. She put up a pic of the flyer that he was on a panel with Ralph Reed and other racists(my words). So now he pretending like he will not go unless xyz

          • Oh, please oh please tell me you have a pic of the flyer! Please post it!

          • trose1

            I will post it on the new thread

          • Miranda

            Oh it was announced a while back that he was gonna be on some panel there. Chris needs to stop acting brand new. Hell, wasn’t GOPProud told not to come last year? Didn’t they jeer the very mention of any type of gay rights when it was bought up by one of the speakers? So now Christ gets to act all mighty like he’s taking a stand. Mofo please.

      • GN

        Thank you; GOProud=”states’ rights” bigots. GTFOH @ protesting on their behalf. GMAFB.

    • Kennymack1971

      All of the racist bullshit CPAC gets behind but them excluding GOProud was a bridge too far for Chris Hayes? Yeah we see you man.

      • GN

        Because to the PL, “civil rights” means grievances of various majority white groups. This is not accidental.

      • trose1

        Excluding racist gays from the KKK cannot be tolerated,

    • GN

      The letter was addressed properly:

      one of America’s leading conservative voices

      Purity trolling=giving a life jacket to regressives. He’s definitely a leading voice in that.

  • GreenLadyHere

    ALEXANDER2 – —- -***sigh*** — -A PREVIEW. . . .

    — – –Sunday talk show tip sheet — –

    – —“Meet the Press” on NBC

    — – – -SNIP – – –

    • Massachusetts Gov. Deval Patrick (D) — -GOOD!! – – –

    • Former Rep. Harold Ford Jr. (D-Tenn.) – -LOL – -THIS OUGHTTA B – –A GOOD LAFF. LOL- –
    THERE IS MORE. – – — ****yawn****

  • Alma98

    Good morning everyone.

  • GreenLadyHere

    ALEXABDER2 — – — LOL – – — -THIS — NON-SCIENTIST – –GOT – –CAUGHT! – -“HOOK — -LINE annnd SINKER!! —LOL – – –

    – –Scientist guts Rand Paul on fish study – –

    — —A scientist nibbled away at Sen. Rand Paul on Friday after the Kentucky Republican blasted his research on schools of fish as wasteful federal spending.
    “He got the funding wrong and the species wrong, and he misrepresents the work we’ve done,” Princeton science professor Iain Couzin told POLITICO. “He’s done some serious cherry-picking here. That’s one study, we’ve had a series of studies that have taken many years.”

    – -On Fox News on Thursday night, Paul said the military has spent $5.2 million studying goldfish and advocated yanking funding for such programs to cut the budget.
    – – -SNIP – –
    – —But Couzin charged Paul “misrepresented” the research that scientists have been doing for about four years. First of all, Couzin said, they studied golden shiner fish — not goldfish.

    He also said the research, among other things, can help lead to advances in technology for robots that work on deep sea oil spills and radioactive leaks. He said the research has “direct applications to human security and collective control of robots.”
    “Our work aims to understand the principles of collective control in animal groups and what this can inform us about collective robotics. It has nothing at all to do with human politics,” Couzin said.


    – – — –DON’T KNOW MUCH ABOUT — – – -SCIENCE!! — –
    STUCK on – -STOOPID!! – – -LOL – – –

    – -[Gotta “bounce” – -BHM Meeting. :>) MISSIN’ U/CARRYIN U —IN MY♥]

    – – – – B BLESSED 2-day♥ — –

  • trose1

    Salon is beginning to write 2 – 3 articles a week questioning liberals ( Black people) trust of PBO with drones. Now they are comparing Trayvon Martin’s killing to that terrorist son hit by a drone. What is wrong with these people?

    Liberal racial hypocrisy
    Since the reelection of President Obama, liberals have made some bold admissions. Commentators like Touré Neblett of MSNBC’s The Cycle have enthusiastically and repeatedly defended the president’s authority to launch drones against anyone, including American citizens, if he suspects that they are “trying to kill us.”

    At no point in his several defenses did Touré reconcile his position with once-popular Constitutional precepts that every person should be presumed innocent until proven guilty, and know the charges and evidence against him, and have the right to a fair trial. Neither did he explain why ordinary Americans should suspend their longstanding skepticism of politicians in power or withdraw the demand that the president and Congress be accountable for their actions, especially the taking of someone’s life.

    • Kennymack1971

      Because a kid who was minding his own business armed with skittles and iced tea is exactly the same as terrorists living in a war zone. These fauxgressives make me ill.

      • GN

        To fauxgressives and their Uncle Ruckuses in the sole patrol, the point is simply to steal and appropriate a black movement for their own purposes. They could not care less about how this hyperbole compromises or demeans said movement.

    • jziglar

      Please ! The Professional left is just mad because they have little to complain about. All this talk about drones against terrorists but the trivialize what is going on here at home. Yeah there should be greater transparency with drone strikes but I like most people don’t care about a drone strike against a terrorist.

    • qosine

      Cites right wingers (libertarian type)
      Democracy Now, and
      Black Agenda Report blogger Jemima Pierre

    • GN

      So let me get this straight…a black child is killed, and other predominantly black children use social media to cry out, organize protests and make sure that his killer was charged with murder because as we all know the authorities in FL weren’t going to do shit. Which of course some “liberals” see the Justice for Trayvon movement as something to co-opt, appropriate, and flip the script so that this movement is now used to attack the black POTUS and burnish the credentials of the largely white media people who hold him to a double standard. I really need to step away from politics in the near future; I think that my shelf life in terms of having anything positive to add on this score is nearing expiration.

      • trose1

        I think u nailed it. Your voice is needed out here so your shelf life must be extended.

        • GN

          I’m telling you guys, we need that Godwin’s Law for civil rights. “Drones!11111111!…Trayvon…” needs to equal an automatic “have a seat.”

          • jds09

            I’m feeling you GN. I got into a heated debate with a new mechanic I was trying out when he compared the national debt to slavery. Something inside just snapped, I wasn’t able to pull myself back. In the middle of the fight part of my brain was thinking “stop, stop he has Spunky.” Spunky is the name of my car. lol

          • Miranda


          • Alma98

            Spunky lol!

      • PREACH! (except for the stepping away part)

      • nathkatun7

        You are not alone GN! I am sorry to say but these holier than thou white liberals are following historical precedents of abandoning Black people at crucial times. They did it in the 1870s and 1880s when they abandoned blacks during Reconstruction, they did it again in the 1970’s and 1980’s when many of them joined right wingers in attacking affirmative action, and they’ve been doing it ever since President Obama was elected.

    • Ebogan63

      they can all go fuck themselves. Ain’t no black folks give two fucking shits about drones.

      • jziglar

        Yep. Polls how that nearly all Americans care less about a drone killing a terrorist. With the emo left carrying on about this subject you would think everyone in the country was talking about it.

      • jds09

        Especially those who have lived with the battering ram.

    • Miranda

      This is disgusting. I am so sick of these idiots.

    • rikyrah

      said it before, will continue to say it:

      I don’t give two shyts about drones.

  • creolechild

    Feminism 101: Patricia Hill Collins, Black Feminist Thought in the Matrix of Domination

    [….] White, middle-class, Eurocentric feminists can be extremely disparaging of the family and organised religion, but women of colour and poor women often find the strength to survive and fight racism and classism in their families and churches. There is a very anti-child and anti-motherhood trend within feminism which women from communities of colour in which motherhood is viewed as empowering find very painful and impossible to relate to.

    Moreover, when it comes to reproductive rights, the dominant feminist discourse often tends to focus entirely on abortion because, historically, white, middle-class women are the ones most likely to be denied abortion and they tend to be the ones with the loudest voices in mainstream feminism. But women of colour, poor women and disabled women may have very different perspectives on this issue because, historically, they have been forced into abortions and sterilisations, or had their children removed by the state because they are not trusted as mothers, or because their children are not considered as desirable as the children of white, middle-class women.

    Right now, we have black women in the US being told by white feminists that they should vote for Hilary Clinton because she’s a woman and it’s more important that a woman, rather than a black man, becomes president. This totally ignores black women’s experience of racism and abrogates responsibility for the role white women have played in perpetuating racism. Why should black women necessarily trust a white woman to represent their interests?[….]

    Sometimes feminists from more dominant groups do have vested interests in suppressing the knowledge produced by subordinate groups. And sometimes they don’t want to listen to what women who have different experiences of oppression are saying because it might challenge their thinking or force a change in feminist priorities.[….]

    Read more:

    H/T Winter

    • THIS.

    • jds09

      Because of THIS Hilary will not have an easy path to the democratic nomination. This Becky Bullshit will have to be dealt with first. The democratic nomination comes thru black and brown women. Period. Full stop.

    • isonprize

      …This totally ignores black women’s experience of racism and abrogates responsibility for the role white women have played in perpetuating racism. Why should black women necessarily trust a white woman to represent their interests? …


  • creolechild

    Disqus is clowning today. My post below was in response to the discussion further downthread.

  • creolechild

    Hmmm…let me see Darden cuts back on employee’s hours so that they don’t have to provide health care. Panera has specific locations that are designed specifically to feed people who are unable to pay full cost, or anything at all, for their meals. Whatever makes you feel better Darden, but your shareholders probably aren’t thrilled about your current predicament..

    Olive Garden Owner Darden Restaurants Warns on 3rd Quarter

    [….] The Orlando, Fla.-based chain has tried to revamp menus and marketing for its flagship chains. But revenue at Olive Garden, Red Lobster and LongHorn Steakhouse locations open at least one year is expected to fall 4.5 percent in the quarter ending Feb. 24, indicating those efforts have yet to pay off.[….]

    Darden, like other restaurant chains, has been dealing with tougher competition due to the growing popularity of chains such as Chipotle Mexican Grill and Panera Bread. They offer food that’s a step up from fast food but not as expensive as a sit-down restaurant. To combat this, at Olive Garden, the company rolled out an updated advertising campaign and introduced more light and affordable dishes. At Red Lobster, it added options for people who don’t like seafood. But so far these changes have not sparked a turnaround.[…]

    Read more:

    H/T Associated Press

  • Bitter Boyce is doing something useful for a change.

    Chris Dorner Petition Formed: Calls for Investigation into Cop Killer’s Death
    February 23, 2013 by Brittney M. Walker

    *Chris Dorner may have been a hero to some and an evil maniac to others.

    Regardless, his death has been called into question by those who supported the vigilante and former LAPD officer.

    Some are wondering if Dorner was executed and the fire was just a cover up. Officers were careless when they shot at a truck with two women inside, because they say it that it looked like Dorner’s; days before they found him. This behavior has been labeled suspicious and a reflection of fear. So a petition has been formed, calling for an investigation into his death.


    • trose1

      Bout time Bitter Boyce do something useful.

  • Miranda

    Ungrateful evil bastard

    AIG’s former chief Greenberg suing Feds for bailing out his company

    A fighter never quits, and if there’s one way to describe Maurice R. “Hank” Greenberg, the former head of the American International Group, it’s as a fighter.

    Beginning on D-Day, when he participated in the storming of Omaha Beach as a teenager, continuing through his fight with then-New York Attorney General Eliot Spitzer about an accounting scandal that led him to resign from AIG in 2005, and up to a series of bitter lawsuits against the company he led for nearly 40 years, Greenberg’s been a fighter.

    His latest offensive is a $25 billion lawsuit filed against the federal government for, he alleges, forcing AIG to accept an $85 billion bailout at a 14.5 percent interest rate and then taking over the company without providing just compensation in September 2008. Despite having more than $120 billion in revenue in 2007, AIG’s immediate problems nine months later centered on a lack of liquidity: It didn’t have enough cash to meet $15 billion worth of collateral calls.
    more here:

    • Alma98

      What an idiot! This reminds of a story I saw where a homeless man is suing his parents. He wants them sell their house so he can buy a Dominoes franchise so he can will a job.

      • I saw that story on the news this morning! LOL

        • Alma98


    • GN

      This is past trifling lol.

    • jziglar

      Greenberg is a big time pro de -regulation, pro tax cuts for the rich republican. I recall him attacking President Obama and Democrats on CNBC. The guy is a POS.

      • nellcote

        It’s too bad Eliot Spitzer couldn’t keep his dick in his pants. He was doing a good job busting scum like Greenberg.

    • *smh*

    • nellcote

      if there’s one way to describe Maurice R. “Hank” Greenberg, it’s

  • Miranda

    Dire Consequences and Denial

    The sequester’s automatic, across-the-board spending cuts are set to go into effect on Friday, and there is no plan as yet to stop it.

    America, this is your feeble government at its most ineffective and self-destructive.

    The White House favors a balanced plan that would include spending cuts and some tax increases for the wealthy. Republicans reject any solution that includes tax increases.

    more here:

  • creolechild

    Musings on the future of race and national politics

    Yesterday BooMan wrote an interesting piece asking whether Hillary can kill the modern GOP.[….] The question we might want to ask is “What happens to the Obama coalition if our goal is to attract more white voters?” From the perspective of people of color, is that question not at least equally important? I know BooMan didn’t mean it this way, but there is a suggestion in what he said that indicates our path to success as Democrats is rooted in succumbing to white people’s racism. Its almost like…we did that black man thing, now lets get back to really winning with the white folks. All of that musing reminded me of the magnificent article written recently by Eric Wattree – Why I Love Being Black.[….]

    [….] I believe that Barack Obama’s race, background and upbringing – combined with his innate intelligence and courageous contemplation of his own life – is what has made him uniquely qualified to be not only a great president, but exactly what this country needs right now. I know we won’t be able to completely replicate that in a candidate four years from now. But I want to be clear about what I’ll be looking for to keep moving this transformation forward rather than going back by pandering to the racists among us.[….]

    Read more:

    H/T Smartypants

    • jziglar

      Well all this talk about Hillary and how she is polling well but the media and the Clintonites forget to mention that Biden is polling about as well as Hillary against all of the republican contenders for 2016.

      Also the fact is that the democrats will not get the majority of the white vote no matter what color is at the top of the ticket. Carter and Clinton only got a few percentage more than Obama in 2012. Since the 1964 LBJ – Democratic landslide the Democratic candidate has not received over 50 % of the white vote. And at this point it doesn’t matter because you don’t need a majority to win big anymore.

      • Town

        Exactly. Romney got 60% of the white vote and STILL didn’t win, not electorally or with the popular vote.

    • dannie22

      can we pretend that hilary doesnt exist? at least until she actually announces she’s running?

  • creolechild

    Just in Time for Oscars, Street Artist Gets Hollywood to Think About Its Workers

    On Friday evening artist Ramiro Gomez placed an installation right in the Beverly Hills-West Hollywood border to get those heading to the Oscars to consider who was taking care of their families and homes while they were out making movies.

    “As hollywood prepares for their annual self-congratulatory party, I wanted to make this piece to honor those who will not be thanked during the award’s acceptance speeches,” Gomez told in an email.

    Gomez’s installation includes cardboard cutouts of the Oscar statue, a housekeeper and gardener. Gomez went on to say the installation is called “And the award goes to…” because “the reality is that the many people working in this area will never receive one.”[….]

    Read more:

    H/T Jorge Rivas

  • Miranda

    SMH…is it just me or did all of these people criticizing PBO’s speech in Chicago use the most illogical irrational arguments ever? And these are supposed to educated folks? Unless you believe gang members in Chicago are all suffering from schizophrenia, delusional psychosis, etc. – then why WOULD you think he should give the same type of speech there regarding gun violence as he would in Newtown or Aurora? And why are so many of these “educated” folks so dead set against anyone mentioning the importance of FATHERS? Have we really gotten to a place where the black community can casually dismiss the value of a DAD? Seriously? WTF? Another stupefying piece that absolutely leads me to believe WE are our own worst enemy.

    more bullshit
    Obama’s Chicago Speech On Gun Violence Tells Blacks A Skewed Story

    • The more these critics talk/write, the more they reveal how nonsensical they are.

      If there’s no difference between the Newtown and Aurora shootings and the gun violence in Chicago, then why were these same critics demanding that PBO make a special, separate speech specifically for Black people in Chicago?

      • Miranda

        THANK YOU! If its a one size fits all solution then no need for him to talk about communities at all…no need for him to address strong families but instead we should all assume that all the shooters in Chicago are certifiably INSANE just like Adam Lanza and the shooter in Aurora. Funny thing though, the shooters in Chicago don’t turn around and blow their own brains out when they’re done shooting somebody for being on the wrong block. They have just enough sense not to do that?

      • nathkatun7

        Great question, Sepia! I am really ashamed of these so called Black scholars who refuse to honestly examine the reality of gun violence in our communities.

  • rikyrah

    Good Afternoon, Everyone 🙂

  • rikyrah


    Beneath the Spin * Eric L. Wattree

    I absolutely LOVE being Black – and I’m not just saying that because it’s expected of me. While I have the ultimate respect for the unique character of every race and ethnicity, if I’m reincarnated a thousand times, I want to come back Black each and every one of them.
    Being Black in America gives one an education and perspective on life that you can’t get anywhere else. That’s not widely recognized, because public attention is often focused on the most dysfunctional in the Black community. But contrary to popular belief, that might not be an altogether bad thing, because it allows the excellence within the Black community time to incubate, untainted by the public eye. That’s what allowed Barack Obama to explode upon the world stage as a fully developed powerhouse, and there are hordes of others just like him who are currently incubating in Black cocoons in suburbs and inner cities all over America.
    Charles Darwin would call “soul” a unique adaptation to adversity, and the most insightful within the Black community recognize it as being much like a sixth sense that reaches the very depths of human understanding. When fully developed, it provides Black people with a unique grasp, empathy, and insight into the human experience. That’s why it is so effective in conveying human emotion – so effective, in fact, that “soul” has been confused with emotion itself.
    So Black people don’t just live life, we experience it. We experience life in the exact same way that we experience music. As a result, we actually feel our environment, with the exact same passion that we feel a lonely bass struttin’ through the changes of a slow and funky blues. That accounts for our swagger, but our “soul” also accounts for making us far more than swagger alone – a point we must get across to the more frivolous within our community.
    You see, the very same swagger, or soul, that goes into the making of a Ray Charles, a Miles Davis, or Areatha Franklin, under another guise, is also responsible for the power and solemnity of mind of a Colin Powell, Johnnie Cochran, or Michelle and Barack Obama. Thus, the very same soul that allows Black people to excel in music, can also be directed towards physics, politics, philosophy, or engineering. The only reason it’s been reflected primarily in music up until now is because music was one of the few activities that Black people were allowed to freely engage in. But the rise of Barack Obama has signaled a change in that regard.

  • ‘Great 9th’ may lose more of its African American political clout
    By David Zahniser, Los Angeles Times
    February 22, 2013, 5:07 p.m.

    Los Angeles reached a benchmark half a century ago when the City Council’s first African American was appointed to represent the area then known as South Central.

    Gilbert Lindsay, a former cotton field worker and city janitor, was chosen in 1963 to fill a vacant seat in the 9th Council District, which covered part of South Los Angeles. The appointment helped make “The Great 9th,” as Lindsay took to calling it, a hub of black political clout.

    Two generations later, with the seat open and the March 5 election approaching, the area that gave birth to historic South Central Avenue and the city’s black middle-class culture has a far different political landscape. It is nearly 80% Latino. Tiendas and carnicerias line its boulevards. And for the first time since the hard-fought gains of the civil rights movement, voters in the coming months could elect a council member who is not black.

    …”For the black community, [the loss of a black council seat] is the bad medicine they’ll have to swallow to get to reality and help themselves,” he said. “Because the reality is, we’ve lost a lot of political power.”



    What have the black power base done with their political power for the past 50 years?

    • Miranda

      That’s a very good question.

  • rikyrah

    Woodward’s Butthurt Lack of Integrity

    by BooMan
    Sat Feb 23rd, 2013 at 10:50:26 AM EST

    Bob Woodward is so butthurt that the Obama administration limited his access and made him irrelevant that he’s no longer making any pretense about political neutrality or journalistic objectivity. He’s gone at least half-Breitbart.


    To say that the White House created the Sequester is narrowly true, but only because they had to find a way to avoid a default, and Boehner was out of ideas. It was his caucus that was forcing the default, so it is more accurate to say that the Republicans forced the White House to improvise, and the Sequester was their solution.


    All this does is prove the White House prescient when they decided to treat Woodward like any other journalist rather than some kind of saint.

  • Miranda

    Evening thread is up!

  • nathkatun7

    Thank you Alexander for covering Black historians. Today, February 23, is the birthday of W.E.B DuBois one of the great Black historians. Dr. DuBois’ books, and other writings, meticulously chronicled the history of African Americans and laid the foundation for future Black historians. I wish we could set aside Feb. 23rd to celebrate one of the most outstanding Black Scholars.

    • Alexander2

      Hi nathkatun7:

      Dr. Dubois would have taken a week; he was a great educator, activist, sociologist, etc. I didn’t know what category to put him in. lol. Maybe I’ll do a series just on him. Thanks for your comment.

      • nathkatun7

        Hello, Alexander,

        First, I want to thank you for you response to my comment. As you can probably tell, W.E.B. Dubois was a major inspiration to me. After reading his works, he opened my eyes to information that were not readily available in books that were assigned to me in college.

        You are probably right about the complexity of classifying Dr. W.E.B. DuBois. He was a historian, sociologist, philosopher, poet, novelist and of course a political activist, not only for African American rights, but also for African Independence, World Peace and Universal Human Rights. But here is why I think he was first and foremost a pioneer Black historian:

        1.His PHD Thesis “The Suppression of the African Slave Trade to the United States.
        2. His books, “The Negro” and “The Gift of Black Folks”
        3. Most of the essays in his classical work, “The Souls of Black Folks” deal primarily with history.
        4. His seminole work: “Black Reconstruction” is a major historical work. (I must confess that both his “Souls of Black Folks” and “Black Reconstruction” had a tremendous influence on me)
        5. His collection of Essays published in two books: “Color and Democracy” and the “World and Africa.”
        6.His passion for and, limited publication, of ENCYCLOPEDIA OF THE NEGRO AND THE ENCYCLOPEDIA AFRICANA.
        7. The numerous articles he published in the Crisis and other publications dealing with the history of Africans both in ancient and modern times.
        8. His three autobiographies are deeply rooted in explaining African American history.
        9. Even his sociological work, “The Philadelphia Negro” contains a great deal of historical data about the AA community in Philadelphia. The same is true of all his Atlanta Studies, and especially “The Negro Church in America.”

        May be on April 18, the 110 anniversary of his publication of the “Souls of Black Folks,” POU can do a tribute to this incredible Black Scholar.

        But once again, I want to thank you and your comrades who run the POU for the wonderful job you are doing in chronicling the African American contributions to this country. Every chance I get, I urge many young people to come to this site so that they may get positive reinforcement, from the past achievements of of AA. that will inspire them to strive for their highest potential.

        THANK YOU!