October 26, 2014

Saturday Open Thread: The Black Madonna and Child

GOOD MORNING PRAGOBOTS!  We hope you’re enjoying your weekend!

We conclude our series on The Black Madonna and Child with….

 

“THE MIRACULOUS BLACK MADONNA”
Beilstein, Rhineland-Palatinate, Germany

From Wikipedia:

..The village is a pilgrimage site, for it is here that the “Miraculous Black Madonna” is displayed in the Baroque Saint Joseph’s Monastery Church. This is a statue of Spanish origin from the 12th or 13th century, left behind by the Spaniards after their short time as Beilstein’s lords after the Thirty Years’ War and shortly thereafter taken to France, only to be brought back to Beilstein in 1950.

 

We hope you enjoyed this series on The Black Madonna and Child. For more information on Black Madonnas, check out the following:

African Presence in Early Europe edited by Dr. Ivan Van Sertima

Nature Knows No Color Line by J.A. Rogers

m4s0n501
  • isonprize

    Mornin’ POU! I just watched PBO’s smackdown yesterday.

    WH “Correspondents” need to be embarrassed, but of course, they won’t be. How dare they talk while the President of the United States is talking.

    • GreenLadyHere

      GOOD HAPPY KWANZAA MORNTIN’ isonprize. ***BIG HUG** :>) –

      – — ***fist bump*** —LOL —He want STR8 into — “teacha mode”! :>)
      My favorite statement 2 make: “Oh! EXCUSE ME 4 INTERRUPTIN’ U WHILE U TALK!. –U WANNA SHARE WITH the CLASS?”
      Oh it gets QUIET!. LOL – — IT ALWAYS WORKS!! LOL – —

      YEAH! THEY HAD NERVE! — -He’s jus’ the BLAH PRESIDENT! — – geesh!! — –

      Betcha — -DEY KNOW —NOW!! – -HAH! – –

      Good 2 C U isonprize. [PA RAWKS♥] — –

      • trose1

        My favorite statement 2 make: “Oh! EXCUSE ME 4 INTERRUPTIN’ U WHILE U TALK!. –U WANNA SHARE WITH the CLASS?”
        Oh it gets QUIET!. LOL – — IT ALWAYS WORKS!! LOL – —

        GM GLH hated when that happened to me in school. straight up busted LOL!

        • GreenLadyHere

          GOOD KWANZAA MORNTIN’ trose1. ***BIG HUG** :>)

          _ __LOL –I KNOW-HUH!? – — – -MR. PRESIDENT was –Soooo ON POINT –2 CALL! THEM! OUT!! :>)

          Good 2 C U trose1♥. B BLessed. :>) – -

  • crazycanuck

    Is it ok to post a comment from someone from another site or do I need to ask that person who wrote the comment?

    • Miranda

      Its fine, just let us know the site :)

      • crazycanuck

        Done, don’t know why I didn’t do that to begin with. duh. lol.

  • crazycanuck

    Gonna post what I read, remove if necessary. This is in regards to the brutal rape and murder of the woman in India. I’m not surprised at all. It probably will happen just the way he/she wrote.

    wisetongue

    it’s beyond hope. the case will go on for the next 4-5 years, the criminals will me acquitted for “lack of evidence”. there will be appeals and counter appeals. the if it ever goes till execution, the President will “pardon” the men because “its been so long since they’ve committed the crime”. and more women, more young girls, more babies, more young boys will continue to be raped.

    the cycle will repeat itself. india is an innately misogynistic country. it can’t be changed.

    • GOVCHRIS1988

      All I will say on that is this. If this happened to my daughter and shit wasn’t being done about it, I would get me a gun and try the rapists in MY version of a court of law. Interpret that any way you want.

    • GreenLadyHere

      GOOD KWANZAA MORNTIN’ cazycanuck. ***BIG HUG*** :>)

      — -***tears** — Been followin’ this. SO SAD! —RIHEP– –

      CONDOLENCES 2 the FAMILY/FRIENDS. —AMEN.

      May the PERPs — -4-EVA RESIDE in HAIL!!!!~~

      Good 2 C U cc. :>)

    • rikyrah

      that is one of the saddest things I’ve ever read, cc.

    • Worldwatcher7

      I sincerely hope that there is enough momentum behind the outrage this case has generated to create real change in the country. Even the responses of the President of India and his son are being questioned.

  • GreenLadyHere

    - –GOOD SATURDAY MORNTIN’ Sepia/POU FAM♥ –***BIG HUG*** :>) HAPPY 4th DAY of KWANZAA –UJAMAA = focuses on building community businesses together. PERFECT 4 2-DAY’S ECONOMIC SITUATION! 2-DAY’S BLACK MADONNA &CHILD IS EXQUISITE! THANK U Sepia♥.

    — —-☻The fourth Kwanzaa principle, Ujamaa, honors the value of cooperative economics. The definition of cooperative economics is “local people cooperating with each other to provide for the essentials of living.” The essentials of living include food, clothes, housing, education, and entertainment.

    ——- – – – – -$UPPORT -FROM MR. PRESIDENT: –Under the leadership of President Obama, a broad coalition came together, including members of the Congressional Black Caucus and many of the groups who were represented at the White House yesterday, and we have been able to improve the lives of millions of Americans. We have made healthcare more accessible and more affordable. We have made our schools better equipped to prepare our children for the 21st-century, and made college more affordable. We have made it easier for small and minority-owned businesses to compete for federal contracts. We have invested in cities, and attacked the cycle of poverty that traps too many African American young people.

    ————-$Black-owned businesses triple in decade, but still lag in market share – – –

    – – – ☻ -Soo GOOD 2 C these “statues” -REPRESENTED” in sooo MANY COUNTRIES. :>) — This is a statue of Spanish origin from the 12th or 13th century, left behind by the Spaniards after their short time as Beilstein’s lords after the Thirty Years’ War and shortly thereafter taken to France, only to be brought back to Beilstein in 1950.

    ENJOY YOUR KWANZAA MEAL. :>) – –

    – – FROM PAST :>)

    ——B BLESSED 2-DAY. :>) —–

  • crazycanuck

    And to add insult to injury there is this. Just saw this on my twitter feed.

    http://www.salon.com/2012/12/29/indias_culture_of_rape_is_endemic/

    • Miranda

      The only glimmer of light in this brutal tragedy is seeing that many of the protestors have been young men. Perhaps for every thugged out maniac there is another young progressive man to counter the madness,

  • GOVCHRIS1988

    Ok, we need to have a top 10 thread for the best political moments of 2012. THIS NEEDS TO BE ONE OF THEM!!!!!

    • GreenLadyHere

      Good KWANZAA MORNTIN’ GOVCHRIS1988. ***BIG HUG** :>)

      RESPECTFULLY – –Yesterday’s AFTERNOON THREAD. — :>) –

      RIGHTEOUSLY — -IT BLEW UP!! :>)

      THANK U 4 CONTINUING 2 add. – –BWAHAHA! — SAD FACES!! LOL. – —Looks like a GLOAT – -2 me. :>)

      Good 2 C U -GOVCHRIS1988. :>)

    • Worldwatcher7

      Thank you, this is lovely. I don’t know how I ever missed it.

    • jds09

      I had to watch this a couple of times. It is so perfect, from the “Believe in America banner to the sea of achingly white faces garnished with the standard pundit gibberish to bring everything together. Bravo Govchris1988!

    • AxelFoley

      LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOOLOLOL

    • Daltex82

      To see these folks in this kind of agony is sooooo sweet! Makes me wish I could have been in that ballroom, sneaked onto the stage, grab the mike and scream “TAKE THAT BITCHES 4 -MORE-YEARS”. You tried and you failed HA!!!

    • Camille

      This was just too sweet to watch. Thank you!

  • GreenLadyHere

    Sepia – –MR. PRESIDENT – -CONTINUES 2 LEAD: – –Weekly Address: Congress Must Protect the Middle Class from Income Tax Hike – –

    – – –President Obama urges Congress to meet its deadlines and responsibilities, protect the middle class from an income tax hike, and lay the groundwork for future progress on more economic growth and deficit reduction.
    – –THANK U —MR. PRESIDENT. :>) – —

  • GreenLadyHere

    Sepia – — -Ohh – – -Gotta –GLOAT – -LOL – —

    — -Republicans to Blame for More Polarized Congress – —

    – — Harry Enten looks at statistics that rank members of Congress on a scale from -1 for most liberal to 1 for most conservative and finds Senate and House Democrats have been fairly stable at -0.4 since 1992.

    “There has, however, been an increase in partisanship in the House, and it truly is ‘asymmetrical’. The Republican House caucus has been becoming more conservative every year since 1977, whether or not House Republicans are winning or losing elections. Republicans have climbed from 0.4 on the DW nominate scales after the 1992 elections to near 0.7 in the last congress. That type of charge towards polarization is historically unusual over data that stretches back 130 years.”

    Likewise, Senate Republicans “have slowly and become more conservative in their roll call votes by moving from about 0.3 to 0.5 on the scale.”

    – —FINALLY — -dey WON –somethin’!! [creatin' POLARIZATION!!-]- -LOL – –

  • GreenLadyHere

    Sepia – –MR. PRESIDENT SAID that he wanted a PLAN in case the DEAL di-ent WORK OUT. —

    – –Democrats prepare tax-cut bills in case nation goes over ‘fiscal cliff’ – —

    – – – -Leading Democrats are putting together fallback proposals if Washington fails to reach a deal on the “fiscal cliff” that would allow the party to cast itself as seeking to cut taxes.

    “Of course, I’ve got a backup plan in the event that we don’t succeed here,” Sen. Max Baucus (D-Mont.), chairman of the Senate Finance Committee, said Friday. “I’m sure the White House has one too.”

    Tax rates are set to expire on most households in January if Congress does not act to extend some of the rates, something some Democrats have long seen as giving their party an advantage. Once the nation goes over the fiscal cliff, pressure would build on Congress to approve lower rates for taxpayers, most of whom make much less than $250,000 per year.

    Baucus did not provide details on his post-cliff plan, and emphasized that he believes that Congress should find a way to avoid the fiscal cliff before it arrives.

    After meeting with President at the White House on Friday, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) and Republican Leader Mitch McConnell (Ky.) are working on a fiscal deal. They plan to show it to colleagues Sunday.

    – — –MR. PRESIDENT is — BEYOND SERIOUS. THEY betta B. :>) —

  • GN

    @TylerKathy
    @TheReidReport @MHPerry @TheRevAL Researcher: Long lines at polls caused at least 49K not to vote in Central Florida: http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/politics/os-discouraged-voters-20121229,0,215136.story … …

    ***********
    If it were not for people’s stubborn determination, that number could have been doubled or tripled, and Romney would have walked away with the Presidency. The heroism of the people who stood on line for 5, 7 plus hours in Florida can’t be overstated. National heroes.

    • Miranda

      And I believe many people were there until they confirmed that PBO had been reelected. People were in lines in Florida way past 11 pm on election night and probably once it was called by one of the major networks, probably went on home.

      • GN

        What the GOP tried to pull with voter suppression is an utter disgrace and banana republic territory.

        • conlakappa

          It workd before so why not try it again?

    • http://pragmaticobotsunite.blogspot.com/ Sepia

      Exactly! And that’s why Joy-Ann Reid was spot on when she chose the American Voter as “Person of the Year” on Last Word last night. Lawrence called it “corny” and Krystall Ball, Alex Wagner and Steve Kornacki were laughing, but Joy-Ann broke it down and Lawrence ended up taking the corny comment back.

      • GN

        Indeed; I saw that on twitter and was disappointed in Lawrence. The beltway press, even the great ones like him, seem to like to distill profound happenings into stories about small influential cliques of people, that’s their bias. IMO the age of Obama is more about a very very very large group of people, all of whom have done little heroic things, which has resulted in a profound shift in this country (from Cheney in the WH to HCR in just a few years is pretty dramatic). Joy-Ann Reid couldn’t have been more correct about the heroism of many voters this year, I so agree with you.

        • rikyrah

          Joy-Ann Reid was out in the field far more than the rest of them. She was down on the ground in Ohio and in Florida, actually standing there, talking to those voters on numerous times.

          and, she was correct about those voters being true, simple American Heroes.

          • Camille

            Steve Kornacki was trying too hard. He tried to come up with choices that matched Joy-Ann Reid’s well-thought out and articulated choices which she delivered in a most comfortable and natural manner.

            It was funny. They are getting quite threatened by Joy. You can tell. LOL.

      • trose1

        I missed that. Will have to watch.

    • GreenLadyHere

      HEEY — HAPPY KWANZAA MORNTIN’ GN. ***BIG HUG*** :>)

      – – -***ABSOLUTE fist bump** – ->The heroism of the people who stood on line for 5, 7 plus hours in Florida can’t be overstated. National heroes.

      – -When she FIRST said that I –was sayin’ — RIGHT ON! – -NUTHIN’ – -“corny” ’bout THAT! – —

      Afta all – –WE DA PEOPLE [co] – -ACTUALLY [O.K. THEORETICALLY] RUN THIS COUNTRY -THROUGH – -ELECTED officials.!! – –
      SADLY — soma dem –ESPECIALLY — RE-THUCKERS —THINK that THEY have POWER — OUTSIDE the ELECTORS!! – -Annnd they SCREW ALL PEOPLE — EXCEPT THEMSELVES!!

      – – — Sooo —Ms. JOY-ANN — -U WERE SOO — ON POINT!! —

      – –IT WAS the PERSISTENT WILL/DRIVE of — -“WE DA PEOPLE[co]” – –THAT MUST B HONORED —which caused us 2 REALIZE – — — —-4! –MORE! – –YEARS!! :>) – – –

      Annd THANK U 4 YOUR PERSISTENCE in MAKIN’ –YOUR POINT!! – –:>)

      BACKED ‘em into that – – –“I YIELD CORNER!!” – – -HAH! —

      BLESS U – – my SHE-ro!! :>)

      Good 2 C U –GN. :>)

    • AxelFoley

      Thing about this is, who knows how many Republican voters did FL’s GOP prevent from voting, too? I mean, Central FL is, I believe, predominantly white.

      LOL, dumbasses.

      • trose1

        I have no proof but will go to my grave thinking the GOP screwed themselves because all of their trickery. GOP are not all that smart and probably knocked GOP voters off the voting roles or accidently threw away GOP votes.

    • trose1

      MSNBC is doing their end of the year recaps, wonder if they will give kudos to those people who stood in line for hours to vote.
      That is still the most under reported story of the year.

  • GreenLadyHere

    Sepia – – – -Ooooo-Kaaaay! – – –I’ll BRANG it. :>) – – –It’s KINDA a NON-POLITICAL ANGLE. LOL – —

    – –Michelle Obama tries the neon trend with a splash of bright nail polish – —

    – — -First lady Michelle Obama tried the neon trend with a splash of bright toe nail polish while on her Christmas vacation, fashion mavens have noted. Her ”simple black and white ensemble was contrasted with a bright neon pedicure, which she showed off on Christmas Day while visiting a military base with President Barack Obama in Hawaii,” reports Yahoo! Lifestyle.

    Although the first lady paired this pop of color with a neutral color-blocked shift, it took a few days for style watchers to notice the bright yellow worn adornment. In the last few hours, though, the fashion media has grasped onto the story and run with it, noting that Mrs. Obama’s choice is a simple way for more conservative dressers to experiment with shocking hues.

    “With relatively strict codes of conservatism for Mrs Obama’s wardrobe, it seems an alternatively-coloured manicure (or in this instance, pedicure) is the most cost-effective and subtle way to have a bit of fun with her looks,” a daily news outlet opines. “Over the past year, there has been a huge surge of interest in nail polish and nail art, which has never been more fashionable, something the First Lady has clearly taken note of.”
    THERE IS MORE.

    ——-OUR BELOVED FIRST LADY♥ —-ALWAYS a TREND-SETTER! :>)

    We LOVE U.♥ – –

    • Miranda

      Jeezus, they all down in between the First Lady’s toes. For heavenssakes.

      • Alma98

        High school newspapers are more serious than our msm.

      • GreenLadyHere

        Good KWANZAA mornTin’ miranda. **BIG HUG** :>)

        – –LOL – –I KNOW-HUH? – –:>)

        Of course THIS takes precedence –OVA FISCAL TALKS. —
        Howeva — the SOURCE is a specialty news article. :>)

        Good 2 C U miranda. :>)

      • Worldwatcher7

        God bless the first family. I could never take that level of scrutiny.

      • dannie22

        im shocked they didnt zoom in and show her cuticles

    • Town

      I’m sure we’ll be seeing pictures of Ann Romney or some other GOP moll wearing neon nail polish in the coming weeks…

  • Miranda

    Not sure if this classifies as a “political moment” but this photo and why the President was on the phone after his State of the Union back in Jan is definitely a fav of mine:http://michellepictures.com/2012/02/03/obama-photos-john-jessica-buchanan-somalia/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter#

    • rikyrah

      it’s one of my favorites too..

      said so much without any words…

      and showed the power of them as a couple and why they’re a force together.

      • AxelFoley

        I’m a movement by myself, ooh
        But I’m a force when we’re together
        Mami, I’m good all by myself, ooh
        But baby, you, you make me better

        • Camille

          Yeah!

          LOL.

  • GreenLadyHere

    Sepia – – -FIRST: – – -COMMENT: – -Victoria Lamb Hatch
    And once again, the Republicans attempt to balance the budget on the backs of the weak, the poor, and the powerless while protecting the rights and the gimmes of the rich. They’re willing to keep the perks, subsidies, and corporate welfare flowing to companies who are raking in the billions, but their solution is to screw the guy who’s out there on an oil rig for that company by making him work out there for a couple more years.
    Sounds very Republican to me.

    – – -NOW: — -GOP Senators Want To Take Debt Ceiling Hostage In Order To Raise Retirement Age

    – – – -Two Republican senators want to use the threat of an economic meltdown to raise the retirement age and cut Medicare. Sens. Bob Corker (R-TN) and Lamar Alexander (R-TN) introduced a plan today that would raise the federal debt limit by $1 trillion in exchange for $1 trillion in cuts to Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security, as The Hill reported:

    The Corker-Alexander dollar-for-dollar plan has several components.
    – – – SNIP – – –

    It would gradually raise the Social Security retirement age and use the “chained CPI” formula to calculate cost-of-living adjustments, curbing the growing cost of benefits.

    In exchange, it would direct the debt limit be increased by the same amount as the savings generated from entitlement reform.
    – – -SNIP —-

    — – — THIS TRUTH: — >Corker and Alexander are threatening more economic chaos in order to achieve one of the most regressive potential policy changes. Though lawmakers point to America’s increasing life expectancy in order to justify raising the retirement age, life expectancy is only increasing for wealthier workers in non-physical jobs. As the Center for Economic and Policy Research put it, “there has been a sharp rise in inequality in life expectancy by income over the last three decades that mirrors the growth in inequality in income.”
    THERE IS MORE.

    – – – – –REPEAT: – - life expectancy is only increasing for wealthier workers in non-physical jobs. = RE-THUCKERS!!! — –
    Geesh! – – -PROVIDIN’ 4 THEMSELVES – – -AS USUAL!!

    • goldenstar

      And both of these certified rude men have been on the tube accusing the President of not leading. They have been on not once, but multiple times.

      • GreenLadyHere

        Good KWANZAA MornTin’ –***BIG HUG** :>) —

        – – -LOL – –***fist bump*** – – ->certified rude men. .

        – — -YEP! – –THIS is from 2010!! – –

        HATAS GO HATE –4-EVA!. – –geesh! – —

        Good 2 C U –GOLDenstar. :>)

    • Camille

      Can we just trap these two Jethro’s in a kennel and send them back to their Ellie Maes in Tenessee?

      Cannot take one more minute of these two backward, half bred assholes polluting our democracy with their stupidity, racism and small, insular attitudes and minds.

  • http://pragmaticobotsunite.blogspot.com/ Sepia

    What’s the deal with TJ Holmes? Did he leave BET for good?

    • Miranda

      SMH….probably…I knew that show wouldn’t last and I never watched one minute of it. Why they thought a late night show was the way to go is beyond me. They should have modeled the show after Politicsnation, but also have an entertainment segment to mix it up a little – and they should have put it on daily from 7 to 8pm. But BET would never spend the money for that type of show to book legitimate commenters and political analysts and thus it didn’t work out. This was definitely the year they could have had a daily political show work and 7 to 8 each night was an excellent timeslot. You have most people either at home from working all day or those that work at night are up and getting ready for their night shift. With Rev Al’s show being a ratings boom for MSNBC and having a huge AA audience, that would have been perfect to put on TJ’s show at 7pm following it. Hardball repeats at 7pm and nobody still watches CNN and we sure not watching Fox. It was nothing short of malpractice for BET and TVOne not to take full advantage of the election year and a good hour slot right after PoliticsNation and create a very good political talkshow that could have been thriving by now.

      • rikyrah

        BUT, you are under the supposition that they actually WANTED a real political show…

        I’m not believing that.

        • conlakappa

          They had to do something for an election year that was a re-election year for the black President. Now back to your regularly scheduled hooch ‘n’ weave programming…

          • http://oldhollywood.net/ woody45

            Hooch ‘n’ weave. Now you know you ain’t right. Accurate to the core yes but you still ain’t right.

          • Miranda

            I’m so stealing the “hooch n’weave” slang! LMAO

        • Camille

          Spot on Rikyrah.

      • http://pragmaticobotsunite.blogspot.com/ Sepia

        THIS.

        I don’t know about TV One, but BET is notorious for being cheap, and creating new programming costs money. That’s why their line up consists of reruns of old shows.

        When BET first came on, the programming was on point! They had game shows, music programs, Teen Summit, children’s programming, entertainment shows and news. You’d think they would try to recreate that, but Bob Johnson’s ex-jumpoff insists on continuing the bs.

        • Alma98

          Once they sold BET it was over, all we saw was booty-shaking videos and reruns.

    • Camille

      That show of his on BET was a full scale disaster. A friend of mine was so excited about it she made me watch it after she force-fed me the previews. I’d assumed he was going to be doing some serious constructive political work and truth telling.

      But in the end it was nothing but crap and very heavy on promoting and showcasing the right wing point of view via right wing black opportunists while T.J Holmes who seemed to have bought into his own crap and had gone from being this frightened chap at CNN to the big bad bold guy who now thought he was President Obama’s equal.

      I think he did more harm in that short period with his misinformation and that of his right wing black guests who got no push back from Holmes or the mostly not terribly well-informed and sadly inarticulate guests he had on to make the argument on behalf of the Democrats and the President.

      Then there were always a third voice of faux independents hustling for recognition. Some regurgitating the whole don’t vote there’s no difference between the 2 parties crap.

      The whole fake different perspectives in the face of glaring Republican craziness was so lame, so dangerous and a complete waste of an opportunity to inform and educate an audience that was been subjected to a nonstop slew of misinformation and outright lies of the vicious variety.

      I’m so glad the show came too late to contaminate the audience who fortunately by now knew many of the players quite well and knew on whose side they were once they started spewing their nonsense crappy talking points.

      He had JJ Walker on and gave him free rein to disrespect and demean President Obama. He also had Herman Cain.

      The whole thing was a mess and in the end all you got from this crap was that TJ Holmes has a warped sense of his importance and standing and actually fancies himself equal to and deserving of the sort of adulation President Obama enjoys. Someone ought to tell Holmes that wearing tailored suits and having a wife who’s a lawyer, does not a Barack Obama make.

      And it was clear that the Tavis/Cornel folks were whispering in his ears and he was channeling much of their cheap talk and crap to make himself sound smart and down with black issues.

      I won’t be watching or supporting him on MSNBC. He showed is butt during this BET stint and is nothing but a lightweight, self-serving opportunist who will mostly do and say anything to stay in the mix.

  • GreenLadyHere

    Sepia – – -GOOD!! – — THEY BEIN’ CHARGED!! –[But SAD - -4 the REASON.] – –India Gang-Rape Suspects Now Face Death Penalty – —

    — - Six suspects jailed in India over the gang rape of a woman in India face the death penalty now that their 23-year-old victim has died. Police plan to file murder charges against them, reports the Hindu. Those arrested include the driver of the bus in which the savage attack took place and a juvenile, along with four adult males. Police say the victim and her boyfriend had just left a movie theater in New Delhi on Dec. 16 when the bus—a school bus of some sort with tinted windows—pulled up and offered them a ride, reports AsiaOne and the Times of India.
    THERE IS MORE. – – – – –I JUS’ CAIN’T. . . . . .

    – -RIHEP —Dear one♥ —AMEN. —

    ROT IN HADES – – -MURDERERS!!

  • rikyrah

    The Republicans’ Moment of Truth
    We’re going to learn a lot about the post-election GOP this weekend, says Michael Tomasky.
    by Michael Tomasky Dec 28, 2012 11:00 PM EST

    Barack Obama sounded reasonably confident Friday evening that a deal can still be reached. But it’s his job to sound optimistic, and not to anger Mitch McConnell and John Boehner. Happily, that’s not part of my portfolio, so I’m free to say that the question that still looms over the eleventh-hour fiscal cliff negotiations this weekend is a simple one: Will McConnell and Boehner allow votes on any last-minute deal? A more emphatic way of phrasing it is, will they finally put the country ahead of their party for a change, and ahead of their party’s unaltered view that any posture toward Obama other than belligerence equals capitulation to an enemy? That’s all that matters here. They both have the power to permit a deal, at least on taxes. The question is whether they’ll allow it. We’re going to learn a lot about the post-election Republican Party this weekend.

    Let’s start with McConnell. Obama said Friday night that McConnell and Harry Reid were working on the details of deal that both could agree on. Well, that would be peachy, but count me skeptical, and a bit mystified as to what that deal would be. Would McConnell really be willing to raise taxes on dollars earned above, say, $400,000, the compromise figure mentioned lately? That’s a violation of the “principle” of no new taxes as surely as the $250,000 level is. I’m not sure why McConnell would suddenly be open to this. Maybe the prospect of having to face Ashley Judd in November 2014 worries him a little more than he’s letting on.

    But even if he is, then we must ask about the other 46 Republicans. Matters can come to the Senate floor for a quick vote only under a “unanimous consent” rule, which means that every single senator needs to agree to allow it to do so. One senator can say no and end the whole process. Rand Paul, Mike Lee, and several others are obviously prime candidates to object to unanimous consent. McConnell could prevent such moves if he really wants to. So let’s see if he does

    http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/12/28/the-republicans-moment-of-truth.html

    • conlakappa

      It is his task now to not anger a couple of angry men? Please. He has to sound optimistic (1) because of course he wants a deal to be struck that will help everyone who needs help and (2) he cannot act crazy, mad, or angry or unhinged will be added to the list of smack they want to talk about the President.

  • rikyrah

    this week’s series has been wonderful and informative.

    thank you

    • http://pragmaticobotsunite.blogspot.com/ Sepia

      Thanks! Glad you enjoyed it!

  • GN

    omfg, the self-admiration, conceit, and hubris of the professional left/emos just blows me the fuck away:

    @chrislhayes
    Somewhat improbably, we seem to be living through a mini-golden age of radical left-wing criticism and polemic. It’s invigorating.

    Meanwhile, downthread, we’re talking about the real heroes who ignored “disappointed,” rhetorical bomb-throwing emoprogs (like Hayes and bullshit crown prince GG) and were willing to sacrifice entire workdays, standing on line, to keep PBO in the WH and reactionary regressives out of the WH and Senate. Meanwhile, none of these people will credit for one second a WH which welcomes debate and critique, and has done more for true liberal causes such as healthcare reform than any WH in a generation.

    Let them have the “invigoration” of ivory tower bullshit, pomposity, and closed societies. They just can’t complain when many of us refuse to consider them intellectual, moral, or spiritual leaders of anything.

    • AxelFoley

      Fuck ‘em. Fuck those emo bitches to hell.

    • Camille

      So silly and shortsighted. Completely self-absorbed and self-serving.

      This is what comprises our entire media. The worlds super power serviced by a most painfully mediocre and corrupt media with individuals only out to personally enrich themselves and to self-advance.

  • GN

    I don’t mean to pick on Hayes, but the below tweet is just says so much:

    [after someone pointed out that the lefty media does almost no investigative reporting; all they do is throw polemics, this is the response]:
    @chrislhayes
    …[investigative reporting] is expensive! Criticism is less resource-intensive.

    No surprise to anyone here. The PL spends all of their time criticizing because it’s cheap media product to feed to the gullible emos. We knew this all along.

    • http://oldhollywood.net/ woody45

      “Criticism is less resource-intensive.”

      It also has a tendency to be less facts intensive.

    • conlakappa

      It is expensive? What, to double-check information? Verify sources? Yeah, that meeting with Deep Throat must have been buckets of money for parking-lot fees. Everyone has a cellphone, Chris. Deal with it. Or just check simple information and stop being simple. You cannot pick on him enough, GN.

      • jds09

        I can’t believe that D.C. (or where ever his studio is) is not full of folks that will take unpaid internships to fact check his “criticisms”. Chris Hayes is simply lazy.

    • dannie22

      but lying is free!!

    • crazycanuck

      Too expensive? Is he for real? I have seen people online do investigavtive reporting free of charge. He wants some tips, all he gotta do is ask some of the posters here.

      Too expensive, what bullshit. Seriously some of the crapola that comes out of these idiots is mind boggling.

      • AxelFoley

        Our American liberal media at work. Or not, since real work is what they don’t do.

    • GreenLadyHere
    • AxelFoley

      Muhfucka is just admitting what we’ve already known.

    • Admiral_Komack

      The Professional Left: Still full of shit.

    • goldenstar

      I hope that Joy Reid can take his job.

    • Camille

      Please pick on Chris Hayes and as often as possible. What an irritating, crappy, silly, juvenile, wannabe relevant at any cost, jerk.

  • GreenLadyHere

    Sepia – — ***furrowed brow*** – – -ALL SCHOOLS have POSTED SIGNS: — GUN-FREE ZONE — –

    – — -6-Year-Old Newtown Survivor Seeks $100M

    — –The family of a 6-year-old girl who survived the shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary aims to sue the state for $100 million, reports the Hartford Courant. The girl, identified only as Jill Doe, has been traumatized, says her lawyer. “She was in her classroom, and over the loudspeaker came the horrific confrontation between the fellow who shot everybody and other people,” says attorney Irving Pinsky. “Her friends were killed. That’s pretty traumatic.”

    It is the first legal action to stem from the shooting, notes Reuters. Because the state has “sovereign immunity” from most lawsuits, Pinsky must get permission to sue from the state claims commissioner, and he filed the papers on Thursday.
    THERE Is MORE

    – – –FROM Attorney Irvin Pinsky’s bio:

    – –This lawyer has been disciplined by a state licensing authority.
    State Citation type Year cited Last updated by Avvo
    Connecticut Suspended 2003 06/20/2012
    Connecticut Reprimand 1989 06/20/2012

    Watchin’… . . . .

    • gc

      This lawyer has a snakish rep. I am sorry that the little girl’s family went that route. It cheapens what happens.

      • conlakappa

        I think it is strategic to go to an ambulance chaser with an extra heaping of shady. Let them throw crap at him and neglect to focus on the facts of the case. Nice that the MSM would look into the lawyer’s background while not highlighting the gun lobby right there. How brave.

        • gc

          The gun lobby will never be part of this case. The lawyer IS creepy, but I think they will aim for a trifecta here: Tragic, tragic, and mental illness. Where is the NRA? And CT isn’t even big NRA turf.

          • conlakappa

            The gun owners lobby is in Newtown. Gun ownership and the lax laws have to be a part of the case. They are central to it. Did I dispute the character of the lawyer? Maybe he was the only one willing to take the case, for his reputation as much as for the sake of the child’s trauma. I’ll err on the side of “we’ll see” before anything else. And, again, the quick report of the lawyer’s misdeeds.

      • GreenLadyHere

        HEEY Gc. – – – – -***BIG – HAPPY KWANZAA –HUG :>) – —

        – – – -***fist bump*** – – — -Wonder how THEY feel iff they eva talk 2 the FAMILIES of the “20 CHILDREN”? — – Hmmm. . . .

        —Annnd the -SsssssssssNAKE attorney – –WILL REAP WHAT he SEWS!!! – — -TRUST!! – —

        THIS is SAD. – –BUT -I hope –NOT a precedence! — –

        Good 2 C U Gc. – – :>) — –

        • gc

          Same green wavelength, as usual, GLH: TALK to the families. Do not drag them through this. What is your daughter worth? I don’t believe they should “go there.”

          • GreenLadyHere

            Gc. – -8**fist bump*** – – –

            L8R in her life – – -their daughter may prolly think differently ’bout their actions. – – -BLESS HER.

  • GreenLadyHere

    Sepia – – -Wanted 2 make sure that U saw this: – – - 2-DAY’S BLACK MADONNA &CHILD IS EXQUISITE! THANK U Sepia♥. —

    – – – -Soo GOOD 2 C these “statues” -REPRESENTED” in sooo MANY COUNTRIES. :>) — This is a statue of Spanish origin from the 12th or 13th century, left behind by the Spaniards after their short time as Beilstein’s lords after the Thirty Years’ War and shortly thereafter taken to France, only to be brought back to Beilstein in 1950.
    – – -THIS series was BEAUTIFUL annnd INSPIRING. :>)

  • GreenLadyHere

    Sepia – —Missed this: – – – -SAD NEWS —

    – -Ebony Magazine’s Managing Editor Terry Glover Dies – –

    – – -Ebony Magazine has announced that Managing Editor Terry Glover passed away on Christmas Eve after battling colon cancer. She died in her Bronzeville, Chicago, home at the age of 57.

    “Terry was the heart and soul of the EBONY team. She was one of the best editors I’ve ever worked with, and had a lovely kind demeanor and a fabulous sense of humor. The EBONY team will feel her absence every single day,” wrote Editor-in-Chief Amy DuBois Barnett.

    Glover joined the EbonyJet team as a senior website editor in 2006 and later became the managing editor of Ebony in 2009. During her career, Glover worked for several publications, including Playboy, Savoy, Uptown and the Chicago Tribune.

    She is survived by her husband, Kendall Glover, and two daughters. The Ebony team plans to print a memorial in its upcoming issue.
    THERE IS MORE. —-

    – – -RIHEP —THANK U 4 YOUR SERVICES –Mrs. TERRY GLOVER. —

    – — CONDOLENCES 2 –FAMILY/FRIENDS/STAFF/READERS – – -AMEN —

    • morphus

      RIP

      • GreenLadyHere

        HEEY morphus. – —***BIG – HAPPY KWANZAA — HUG*** :>)

        — – -AMEN! Annnd AMEN. – – –

        Good 2 C U. :>)

        • morphus

          GLH, Happy Kwanzaa and hugs to you.

          • GreenLadyHere

            Awww morphus. THANK U. :>)

    • goldenstar

      Terry Glover was a real mensch. May she be at peace.

      • GreenLadyHere

        GOLDenstar – –AMEN & AMEN. :>)

  • rikyrah

    Most Republicans Oppose Sandy Relief

    by BooMan
    Sat Dec 29th, 2012 at 10:53:02 AM EST

    It’s interesting to see which Republican senators voted for disaster relief for the victims of Sandy. It’s not hard to understand why David Vitter of Louisiana, Thad Cochran and Roger Wicker of Mississippi, and Richard Shelby of Alabama supported the relief. Their states have been ravaged by hurricanes and/or tornadoes in recent years. Richard Lugar, Olympia Snowe, and Kay Bailey Hutchison are retiring so they don’t have to explain themselves to the Tea Party. Scott Brown wants to run for John Kerry’s Senate seat. Susan Collins and Dean Heller just might be decent enough people to have to done the right thing without self-interest playing much of a part in it.

    Still, most Republicans voted against any disaster relief for the Mid-Atlantic. That is because they are assholes

    http://www.boomantribune.com/story/2012/12/29/10532/834

  • rikyrah

    Dick Armey: Extortionist Grifter

    Posted on 12/29/2012 at 2:00 pm by JM Ashby

    Dick Armey opened up to ABC News this weekend and dispelled any doubt that he is in fact a grifter who committed extortion following his attempted armed coup of FreedomWorks.

    According to Armey, Stephenson stepped in with an offer to pay him $400,000 a year over 20 years because he “was concerned I was going to resign [from FreedomWorks] and sue them before the [presidential] election. He didn’t want an uproar. We all understood if I take any action that made it at all public it would be a press nightmare and we didn’t want that before the election.”

    “So Dick was saying, ‘You know, Armey, my family and I have heard your story, about how you can’t afford to retire and we want to help with your retirement,’” Armey, who is 72, also said.

    As part of the agreement, Armey said he will serve as a consultant to Stephenson. [...]

    “I must say the trespass against me was so comprehensive and so eroding of my critical asset — and my critical asset is my relationship with the press,” Armey told ABC News. “I actually had a court case, a case I could have taken and I did consider doing so, but we decided we wanted to try and handle it quietly outside of the press pursuant to the condition was I could not work with these guys anymore. You can’t take people who you indisputably understand to be dishonest and dangerous to the organization in their dishonesty and continue working with them.”

    http://bobcesca.com/blog-archives/2012/12/dick-armey-extortionist-grifter.html

    • Camille

      This Dick Armey saga is not over yet. And it won’t end well.

  • rikyrah

    December 28, 2012

    Meanwhile, back at Lake Tahoe …

    Here, from Republican Sen. Lamar Alexander, is the latest marker of rising, squalid disingenuity in the GOP’s congressional cesspool

    You know, they’re sitting around down at the White House like it was a Harvard Law Review meeting, just to show who’s the smartest person in the room. We don’t need the smartest person in the room. We need someone to get up and say, “OK, America, we need to deal with revenues; that’s the bad news; and we also need to deal with the Medicare fiscal cliff, or you’re not going to get your medical bills paid.

    Catch that? Suddenly it’s the Medicare fiscal cliff, a slight precipice which ObamaCare in fact forestalled by a few more years–an effort vigorously opposed, of course, by Republicans.

    I don’t know how they do it, but they really do manage to always find ways to new lows, or, as the intro has it, to new high-squalidness markers.

    One cannot negotiate with such animals. One mustn’t even try. One simply rehearses Corleone’s line: “Senator? You can have my answer now, if you like. My final offer is this: nothing.”

    http://pmcarpenter.blogs.com/p_m_carpenters_commentary/2012/12/meanwhile-back-at-lake-tahoe-.html

    • conlakappa

      A former U.S. Secretary of Education is disparaging educated people? That was his opening gambit? Lamar! [his old campaign logo; remember, he ran for president once] needs to have a heaping helping of STFU.

    • Camille

      Lamar Alexander is an idiot. A one eyed racist idiot from the land of the blind.

  • GreenLadyHere

    Sepia – – –LOL – – -THERE! —THERE! — -TWITT! —Take heart. There’s a WIN in here 4 U. – -BWAHAHA – —

    — – -The Top Ten Dumbest Republican Quotes of 2012 – –

    – – – -It is indicative of conservative hatred of Hollywood and of Republican myopia in general, that you find on FoxNews.com a list of the “dumbest celeb quotes of 2012” but no corresponding list of the dumbest Republican quotes of 2012. You can be sure the latter outshine the former.
    – – – -SNIP —
    My own list ultimately comes down to two categories: Republican comments on rapeand Mitt Romney. The rape category doomed several Republican campaigns directly and indirectly probably affected the presidential elections.
    — -SNIP – —
    And Romney…Romney is a genre unto himself. He certainly doomed his own campaign through an inability to articulate any ideas at all. That’s assuming he had any actual ideas, which cannot be proven. It is impossible to know why the things that came out of his mouth came out of his mouth, but they did, and they were a gift that kept on giving, right up to the day he stopped talking to protect himself from himself.
    — – -SNIP – – –
    So without further ado, here are my Top 10 Dumbest Republican Quotes of 2012: — –

    –THIS – ->8. Mitt Romney: “I believe in an America where millions of Americans believe in an America that’s the America millions of Americans believe in. That’s the America I love.” – January 2012 —BWAHAHA! — -“WORD SALAD” —LOL —ENJOY!! —-

    – – – -COMMENT: — Anne
    Although Willard Romney and other ethically- and other intellectually-challenged Republican politicians lost, it IS frightening to think that roughly 47% of Americans who voted cast their votes for Romney. Neither he nor the other Republicans named in this article deserve one single vote they got. That’s because they offered absolutely nothing of value. The fact that so many Americans hate this president so much that they were willing to overlook the many examples of Willard’s stupidity, dishonesty, ignorance of national/international issues, and his verifiable record of throwing countless Americans under the bus in the pursuit of more wealth is perturbing. While I can laugh at his demonstrable stupidity now, it’s chilling to think that someone else this arrogant and ignorant could ever again get so close to winning the presidency
    — – -***FIst bump***

  • rikyrah

    The GOP’s Five Greatest Disappointments In 2012
    Sahil Kapur-December 29, 2012, 7:00 AM

    This was a bad year for the Republican Party. What started out as a year of hope that they would return to power ended in a series of profound disappointments that left party strategists debating whether the GOP would become a permanent minority unless they change course.

    Here are the party’s five most disappointing moments.

    1. Payroll Tax Cut Defeat

    The year began with a standoff between President Obama and House Republicans that split the GOP and ended in a clear defeat for the party. Worse, it placed the mantle of working class tax breaks in the hands of a Democrat.

    Obama demanded a one-year extension of the payroll tax cut; House GOP leaders made a public showing of their resistance, insisting on offsets but resisting ideological compromise until the bitter end. Obama stood firm, as did House Republicans — until Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell publicly called on them to give up the game.

    On Feb. 13, they did, and agreed to extend the tax break without paying for it. It would prove to be a turning point in how Obama dealt with the GOP.

    2. Nominating A Presidential Candidate They Disliked

    The GOP’s presidential field was widely seen as weak. The race came down to two unpopular relics of the past (Newt Gingrich and Rick Santorum) and a former blue stater who once embraced abortion rights, gun control and planted the seeds for Obamacare (Mitt Romney.)

    After a series of embarrassing moments from the other candidates involving moon colonies, anti-porn crusades and the like, Republicans finally decided they had nowhere to go but Romney, crowing him their nominee on May 30. Conservatives never really warmed up to the former Massachusetts governor, and many lamented the selection. But, they consoled themselves, at least he had what it took to throw Barack Obama out of office.

    3. Obamacare Upheld

    On June 28, the Supreme Court broke Republicans’ hearts when it refused to strike down Obama’s signature legislative achievement.

    It came at a time when Republican leaders were openly preparing for victory in quashing the Affordable Care Act. Even more depressing: the deciding vote in the 5-4 ruling came from one-time conservative hero, Chief Justice John Roberts, whose vote the right had mostly taken for granted. It left conservatives flummoxed and eager to understand his betrayal.

    Now their only hope for repealing Obamacare was to defeat Obama.

    http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/12/gop-five-greatest-disappointments-2012.php

  • rikyrah

    This Time, I’m Mad

    by BooMan
    Sat Dec 29th, 2012 at 04:15:20 PM EST

    Growing up in bucolic Central New Jersey, I never experienced a hurricane or a tornado or a forest fire or an earthquake. We had some occasional flooding, but nothing like we began to see in the late 1990’s. I once woke up to discover that a layer of Mount St. Helens’ ash had dusted our cars, but that was my only interaction with a volcano. I always felt like we lived in one of the safest places on Earth, and I wondered how people tolerated living in locales where nature could reach out and smite them without a moment’s notice. Somewhere there is a chart that shows how much money New Jersey received in disaster relief in the years between my birth in 1969 and my departure for California in 1989. I can’t imagine that that number is very high. Yet, in all those years, the people of New Jersey were paying more in income taxes relative to what they were receiving in federal expenditures than any state in the union save (in some years) Connecticut.
    It angers me that 32 Republican senators voted against giving New Jersey, New York, and Connecticut disaster relief. I don’t care what objections they claim to have to the bill. You fight for what you think should or should not be in the bill and then you vote to pass it (out of sheer politeness if nothing else).

    The senators of the Mid-Atlantic did not vote against disaster relief for the Gulf Coast or for the people of Joplin, Missouri or for dealing with the Colorado wildfires or for flood victims along the Mississippi River.

    There’s a basic lack of gratitude in this vote just sticks in my craw. I don’t know how a person goes to sleep at night knowing that there is a permanent record of them having voted against giving aid to the victims of Superstorm Sandy. Most of the Gulf Coast Republicans had better sense than to oppose the aid, but not Jon Cornyn of Texas or Jeff Sessions of Alabama or Marco Rubio of Florida. What if we give the middle finger to them from now on whenever their states get hammered by a hurricane? How about Sen. Blunt from Missouri? If his people have another city leveled by a tornado, how about we tell him it’s too damn bad, but he ain’t getting any federal money?

    http://www.boomantribune.com/story/2012/12/29/161520/96#2

  • GreenLadyHere

    Sepia – – –Woo! Hoo! —FOCUS on MsJOY-ANN – –

    – –☻Joy Reid ‏@TheReidReport
    It’s @theGrio day on @msnbc! First @WitherspoonC and now our brilliant political editor @perrybaconjr. Yeah, I’m a little biased…

    – –BIG UPS! 2 U! Annnd CONGRATULATIONS!! – –PROUD od U♥ —

    ETA: – — – -☻Joy Reid Joy Reid ‏@TheReidReportJust gotta say my colleague @WitherspoonC is a star. Great job talking DJANGO with @tjholmes today on @msnbc Weekends with @AlexWitt!

    Woo! Hoo! :>)

    • Camille

      Perry Bacon sucks. Super unimpressive. Super mealy-mouthed. Super GOP/Emoprog ass kissing. It was all about Perry Bacon keeping his gig.

      I realize Joy has to play team spirit, but Perry is too much of an embarrassment and not even Joy-Ann can cover for him.

  • GreenLadyHere

    Sepia – — -Ohhhhh! HIS COMPASSION is BOUNDLESS! :>) — -[
    Annnd Thank U Congress.]

    — -Obama signs bill to grant Nigerian student U.S. permanent residency - —

    — – – -A Nigerian immigrant’s dream came true when President Barack Obama signed into law a rare private bill granting him permanent residency in the Unites States.

    Victor Chukwueke, who lives in Michigan on an expired visa, came to the United States 11 years ago to undergo treatment for massive face tumors.

    He graduated from a university in the state, and plans to attend an Ohio medical school that requires him to have permanent residency, also known as a green card.

    — -THIS – – -In a rare act, the United States Congress passed a private bill this month granting him permanent residency. Obama signed the bill Friday.

    –Private bills — which only apply to one person and mostly focus on immigration — are rarely approved. His is the only one to pass in Congress in two years.

    “I was overwhelmed with joy; it was nothing less than a miracle,” the 26-year-old says. “Only in this country can so many miraculous and wonderful things happen to someone like me.”

    BEST WISHES 2 U! – –U will B a NEEDED physician. :>)

  • GreenLadyHere

    Sepia – — GOT –$8/GALLON?? – – – –

    – – -Milk prices could hit 8 dollars a gallon in 2013 – –

    — –“Imagine if Wisconsin cheddar costs more than imported French brie,” said NBC’s Stephanie Gosk. “What would that mean for the average grilled cheese?” The dairy industry is calling the possibility of the rising milk prices the “milk cliff.” Just like tax rates, the price of milk could go way up if a farm bill isn’t approved by Jan. 1.

    – – -Guess they ‘ON’t have chil’ren orrr – -grandchil’ren –who DRANK MILK.!! –

    – -NO! — -THEY — – EVIL/VILE!! — –

  • rikyrah

    The Most Devastating Look At How Barack Obama’s Digital Team Crushed Mitt Romney’s And Won Him The Election

    Brett LoGiurato and Walter Hickey|Dec. 28, 2012, 2:35 PM

    The Obama campaign’s digital operations proved to be a crucial point of success that led to the re-election of President Barack Obama in November.

    Based on a sophisticated effort and larger emphasis on digital and new media, the Obama campaign engaged supporters and raised an unprecedented amount of money through its digital efforts.

    How did the Obama campaign become so effective in the digital realm? Engage, an interactive digital political agency in Washington, D.C., recently published a report entitled “Inside the Cave.” It features a 93-page, step-by-step in-depth look at the secrets to the Obama digital team’s success.

    We’ve collected 15 of the report’s key topics and published them here.

    Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/obama-digital-teams-election-romp-2012-12?op=1#ixzz2GU4F7bPX

  • GreenLadyHere

    Sepia – – – – -BWAHAHA – – -FOUND a “friend” 4 – -T(r)avis(ty) —LOL – – – –

    —- -NRA President David Keene Complains About Not Being Invited To The White House For Gun Talks

    — — -NRA President David Keene complained Friday that the group had been left out of talks with the White House on possible measures to reduce gun violence. Following the Newtown tragedy, Vice President Joe Biden was appointed to lead a task force and according to Keene, Biden has yet to contact the NRA for their take.

    Keene wasn’t surprised the group has been ignored, since, according to him, Biden is “not even a friendly antagonist.” Reuters notes that “the lack of communication between the White House and the largest U.S. lobbying group for gun owners is a sign that the shooting in Newtown, Connecticut, has so far failed to change long-held stances on gun politics.”
    THERE IS MORE

    Reuters!! – —WHA-CHOO TALKIN’ ‘BOUT!!?? – – —

    – — The INVITE WENT 2 – -HUMANS!! — -geesh! – —

    Oh! – — -T(ra)vis(ty) annnd Keene –Can Commiserate 2-gether! – – -BWAHAHAHA!!

  • Miranda

    Evening thread is up!

  • TyrenM

    Sepia, again my thanks for this week’s topic. The Black Madonna.and Child. After New Year, I’ll be reacquainting myself with Amazon to add to the reading list. More Van Sertima and more Rogers. Happy Kwanzaa all..