October 21, 2014

Saturday Open Thread: The Lost Kingdom of Nubia

GOOD MORNING P.O.U.! We hope you’re enjoying your weekend.

We conclude our look at the BBC documentary, The Lost Kingdoms of Africa: Nubia

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PART VI

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  • crazycanuck

    Good Morning POU. I’ve made some decisions in my life, and aren’t you all glad you get to hear about it lol. I want to learn how to swim and I want to learn how to drive. The driving thing scares me though.

    • gn

      lol good for you! Don’t be scared of driving, think of all of the idiots with licenses. If they can do it, you definitely can as smart as you are.

    • rikyrah

      don’t be scared of either one. get in a driving school. take it slow.

      • crazycanuck

        Trucks scare me, and the highway

    • trose1

      I keep saying I want to learn how to swim but I am scared of the water. I applaud u and hope u learn. I avoid boats and swimming pools. I have always lived near water and cannot understand the fear.
      Do it for me!

    • CamilleCamille

      Two things you’ll be incredibly glad you learnt to do once you do–
      Go for it!

    • sagittarius

      Great, cc!

      As a person who will roll up and down the highway on any pretense, it is an amazing feeling. If I have the $ and time, it is nothing for me to decide ‘I haven’t been to Kansas City in a minute… let me gas up the car and go get some Gates Barbeque’. Or ‘I want to go to Michigan and pick some cherries or strawberries’. Or even ‘let me go see what’s happening at the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Museum in Cleveland’.

      Go for it. Once you learn how to drive and more importantly, get comfortable with driving, your folks won’t know where to find you!

    • TyrenM

      Good luck with both. Afterward, you’ll feel…liberated.

  • gn

    This is what I meant when I said that Jonathan Capehart has done well for Trayvon Martin, but I have my differences with him. He’s generally a weak voice on black issues:

    The heckler — and FLOTUS — were right

    First lady Michelle Obama wasn’t having it — and I don’t blame her. Lesbian activist Ellen Sturtz wasn’t having it — and, well, I don’t blame her, either.

    Obama was speaking passionately about children at a Democratic Party fundraiser in Washington last night when Sturtz heckled her about her husband’s lack of action on ending discrimination against lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender (LGBT) federal employees. Obama was not pleased. In the audio of the incident, you hear the first lady say, “One of the things that I don’t do well is this.” According to the reporter’s pool report, she “left the lectern and moved over to the protester.” The reporter also quotes Obama as
    saying, “Listen to me or you can take the mic, but I’m leaving. You all decide. You have one choice.”

    Could Obama have handled things better, not shown so much pique in public? Maybe. Still, I think the first lady has a right not to put up with being heckled. After all, she’s not the president. President Obama gets pestered publicly all the time. But he signed up for it when he decided to run for the White House. That’s why picking on his wife is rather lame. Yet, as you could hear in the audio, she is more than willing and capable of defending herself.

    That being said, while I didn’t like Sturtz’s choice of venue or target of her outburst, I support the substance of what she had to say. According to The Post, Sturtz said she told the first lady, “I said I want your husband to sign the executive order,” She added, “Her husband could sign this order tonight and protect 22 percent of the workforce in this country.”

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/wp/2013/06/05/the-heckler-and-flotus-were-right/

    Side note: where are they getting this 22%? Gay people are 3–4% of the country, and transsexuals are maybe 1%. One in five people aren’t gay or transgender, so I need an explanation as to why this number is so inflated.

    Main point: this is the same thinking which posited that it was perfectly fine to scream “you lie!” during PBO’s state of the union. Entitlement coupled with profound ungratefulness. People like Capehart and Sturtz don’t seem to understand how much the President has moved the gay rights movement along and no real appreciation for it either. No idea and no appreciation for the fact that black voters, agree or disagree on a personal level, have time and again refused to punish politicians for forward movement on gay issues. There’s a dependence on us for protection from the religious right coupled with a disdain (and a very “The Help”-ish attitude as many people noted). And it’s why there’s high black unemployment and massive loss of net wealth yet there are people who really and truly believe that we should be focused on whether some infantile, privileged, insulting woman imagines herself oppressed on par with black people living under Jim Crow (“I’m a second class citizen”). Seriously, she, Jonathan, and others with this point of view are in for a rude awakening IMO.

    I was trying to say this yesterday during the (very good!) debate over our unemployment numbers, but probably inartfully: what Sturtz and other self-absorbed, narcissistic tantrum-throwers like her do: THIS is whining. THIS is begging. THIS is being a nonstop victim and behaving childishly while demanding to get a pass or special treatment. This is what I would consider an example of that. Not asking for policy corrections when the recovery policies already in place and which have benefited most of the country aren’t quite reaching black America (although I agree with the points about us needing more self-determination).

    eta: I don’t think that this applies to all gay activists. Simply the narcissists and bomb-throwers. Just wanted to be more clear about that.

    • crazycanuck

      Sturtz needs to go sit in a corner somewhere. As is repeated over and over here at POU, how is ‘heckling’ a First Lady who has no control over policy, advancing your cause. So yeah I don’t agree Capeheart. Go ‘heckle’ a congressman/woman who hasn’t done shit to advance your cause.

      • gn

        Even if FLO had control over policy, she was choosing to ask the country to become invested in what is going on with a subset of black children who are in crisis. I don’t believe this is just politics for FLO, when you listen to her on this topic, she cares very deeply. So for someone to choose that moment to scream over her and insist that she focus on their issue is the height of disrespect not just to FLO, but to those kids who truly do not have much of a presence and are generally not painted sympathetically in the media. F- Ellen Sturtz.

    • Kennymack1971

      I’m with you GN. Capeheart has his moments but this here is mealy mouthed nonsense. Sturtz was out of pocket and disrespectful and she got dealt with. This go along to get along stuff from Black media needs to stop.

      • gn

        This is what I’m talking about in terms of just weakness of black leadership right now. And as noted upthread, she chose to interrupt the speech right when FLO was talking about black kids in crisis. There’s no excuse for this.

        • crazycanuck

          All of them are week, CBC, NAACP, everyone of them. It’s a sorry state what these organizations have become.

          • gn

            I read that the NAACP is trying to move away from being a black organization entirely. It definitely shows.

          • crazycanuck

            So I’ve heard, notice however where AA go when they have a problem, it’s not the NAACP, it’s change.org, and President We the People petition page.

          • MonieTalks

            But will be the first mofos to claim PBO has failed at a “Black agenda.”

          • gn

            YUP. Gotta book the media shows.

        • edp4bho

          Hey POU and GN.

          “weakness of black leadership”

          We have 3 real black leaders. Pres. Barack Obama, FL Michelle Obama, and Rev. Al Sharpton. All else are mealy mouthed opportunists. JMHO!

    • MonieTalks

      This is why I have no use for the scorecard mentality…PBO has not appointed enough xyz in his cabinet or other appointees complaints that resurface every few weeks.

      How often have we heard Clinton or Bush had x amount of a certain group of appointees yet there policies were devastating to the same groups. Yet Clinton gets awarded as a “trailblazer” fro GLAAD for signing the exact legislation that they claimed gave them second class citizenry, but somehow PBO is not jumping and leaping fast enough and is acknowledged with a lukewarm embrace. I remember years ago in 2009, asking at JJP then, where was all of this urgent activism 10-15 years ago…when these bills were first signed. I said then and I stand by it now, the larger and vocal predominately white gay rights movement have a “he’s our slave” mentality when it comes to PBO. As long as Clinton was in office, they may have been disappointed,but they remained hopeful and their disgust was largely contained within their circles. With Bush, they knew he absolutely would not take up their cause at any juncture, even using is as a wedge issue while his VP’s own daughter longed to marry her same-sex partner. But lo and behold, when the identifiably Black President takes office, it has been decided that he MUST do as we demand or they will bring out every unsavory tactic, spread every lie about this supposed moral wall Blacks have against gay marriage and have the nerve to tell this brilliant coalition building President that they will take support away as he makes their causes one of the main pillars in his legacy.

      At this point, I don’t give a damn if he never ever devotes another speech for them. They want so-badly to be the next so-called civil rights movement and don’t know shit about civility. We watched every move they made.

      • gn

        I couldn’t agree more. For all of the people wringing hands over FLO’s “pique”–how the f- would you feel if you were in your feelings, speaking from the heart about kids who very few people care about, and some pig screams over you and turns that speech into a media stunt? FLO responded with the poise and grace to which we’ve become accustomed meanwhile the heckler is on a media tour, complete with a whiny column in WaPo. I’m past done.

        • MonieTalks

          Some in this community has been the most uncivil and lowest denominator citizens I have witness.

          Like Dan Savage, for example. He was heralded for his “It gets Better” campaign (which is cool if you think making videos is groundbreaking activism), yet petulantly dished out “F-you Mr. President. And even after that occurred the President lent his support to this campaign.

          And I marvel at PBO for this. He has such a forgiving and understanding heart that even I don’t think I possess. I am not a person who necessarily chases down confrontation and seeks it with adversaries..I’d rather write your ass out of my life than devote to bitterness. But time and again PBO, unlike ANY OTHER PRESIDENT to date, has extended a hand out, spoke forcefully in support of and asked for patience and time for consensus building in this ever increasing polarized political environment, and they have slapped his hand away. And then some of those in the community have the nerve to liken its members to Rosa Parks, Jackie Robinson and quote MLK Jr. Please.

          • gn

            That crew you named behave like children, spoiled brats with all of the tantrums and demands for constant attention. Sturtz herself admitted in that WaPo column that she wasn’t able to silently hear the First Lady addressing black kids in crisis without needing to scream out something about gay issues. This is why there is such a desperation to appropriate our civil rights legacy and imagery. Like conlakappa noted yesterday about the person who wants disagreement with gay marriage to be viewed as on par with using whites-only segregationist facilities under Jim Crow, they want to BE “the new black” and use our oppression to receive social reparations. Meanwhile, we’re in economic and social crisis due to having to take on both the internal and external intergenerational harm which came from slavery and Jim Crow. The situation is grotesque to me, and Sturtz is just the most recent example of how the situation become exploitative.

  • gn

    Sucking all the air out of the room. Privilege white person “I’m a second class citizen” meanwhile FLOTUS was trying to address the plight of kids in Chicago who are terrified of the gun violence:

    To me, it sounded as though Mrs. Obama was talking about the plight of children of color in urban communities. It’s a shame Sturtz drowned that out, but I wasn’t sure, so I searched the Internet for the speech. None of the articles I found discussed what Mrs. Obama was trying to say when Sturtz chose to interrupt her. They merely said that she was speaking at a Democratic Party fundraiser.

    When I found the transcript of her at Whitehouse.gov, I discovered Mrs. Obama had been talking about the plight of black youth at Harper High School on Chicago’s South Side, where she grew up. Sturtz’s decision to interrupt the speech at that point is worthy of contemplation. Why did she think it was okay to heckle the FLOTUS while the FLOTUS talked about black youth in crisis? Why did Sturtz deem that discrimination against gay people deserved more attention than black children under threat daily, living in communities overridden with drugs, gangs, guns, and murder?

    http://www.rippdemup.com/2013/06/why-did-ellen-sturtz-think-it-was-okay-to-heckle-the-flotus-while-she-talked-about-black-youth-in-crisis/

    And where are all of the “PBO/FLO do nothing for black people” n*ggalosophers on this demonstration of how privileged white people dominate the discourse, the media, and even tried to dominate the First Lady into discussing something other than the black and brown kids she was asking people to show more concern for? The above website isn’t always on point, but they are 100% correct here.

    • crazycanuck

      What is that again Capeheart? Yup our problems don’t even register with people like Sturtz.

      • gn

        This couldn’t be a more clear demonstration of white privilege. The First Lady recognizes that the plight of kids like the ones she was discussing has faded into the background and was exhorting more people to become invested in a solution. Ellen Sturtz and her actions have eclipsed discussion of that and turned it back to gay issues and the dubious allegation that she’s a “second class citizen” (i.e., oppressed on par with Jim Crow). This just couldn’t be more blatant, I’m so tired of it. And weak black voices will co-sign this passive aggressive, whiny woman-child and help her to veer discussion away from those kids in crisis. Right up there with Joe “you lie!” Wilson in terms of extreme disrespect towards PBO/FLO

    • gn

      And I didn’t realize, but Chipsticks had already made the same point, right off the bat:

      @TheObamaDiary
      Interesting that the heckler started shouting at First Lady when she was talking about disadvantaged kids, but privilege does that to you.

      • MonieTalks

        Exactly. Before DADT was repealed and the Dream Act was being considered, I ventured over to Aravois’s Americablog.

        The smugness was infinite. SOme pompous ass commentator even wrote they they dare some immigrant is granted rights before theirs is fully restored.

        I honestly have to go back to “do not let a few be a representation of a particular group,” but I truly despise these gay Klansmen. Especially the modern day J Edgar Hoover (Glenn Greenwald).

        • crazycanuck

          It’s hard to do isn’t it, whenever I feel that way I go read Spandan’s blog.

        • gn

          They really are awful. I read an Americablog thread recently (inexplicably linked to from a large black site, but I haven’t seen them link to him again). It was just bananas, it was so full of disdain for black people, it utterly toxic and full of whining. Like you and CC, I had to think of Spandan and many others and remember that one small and vocal group does not represent the entirety.

          • GOVCHRIS1988

            I like Spandan too, but we have to understand that white people like Sturtz and Arovosis do not include folks like Spandan. Sure, they will hold him up as a token and try to use him to get what they want, but they won’t talk with him and most importantly they wouldn’t listen to him. I’ve seen that disdain for people of color over there. I’m just flabbergasted over how they wonder why they do not have full rights yet. The anti-gay rights movement doesn’t do that pompous ass disdain to groups they need to vote with them. Its why they are losing. Either these people need to be taken OFF the head roster, or their movement is gonna continue to fail. They may mistake hate for passion, but we don’t/

          • gn

            Well said, Gov.

          • http://twitter.com/bogan3253 Eric Bogan

            From what I gather, Spandan wants nothing to do with Aravioisis and his gay Klan krew.

          • TyrenM

            Spandan shut that shit down.

    • trose1

      I did not know she was talking about Black children. Wait I need to read the hecklers article again.

      • gn

        When I attended a Democratic National Committee (DNC) fundraiser a few days ago, I brought this sense of urgency. When I blurted out my comments during the first lady’s speech, it was a spontaneous reaction to her saying, “Right now, today, we have an obligation to stand up for those kids.” ["those kids"=black kids in Chicago who FLO was advocating for--gn]. I needed to speak up for LGBT youth…—Sturtz

        AND I think she’s lying about “blurting out”—I think she pre-planned to heckle the First Lady, and chose to scream over her as she asked people to help black kids. Absolutely nuts.

        • trose1

          When FLOTUS speaks abt Black children in Chicago it doesn’t include the gay ones?
          She was agitated FLOTUS speaks abt Black children?

          Heckler is a racist, IMO

          • crazycanuck

            i agree about that trose

          • gn

            GetEqual already admitted to planting this person (and several others, including the person who heckled Wasserman-Schultz during the same event). Her WaPo piece is phony and manipulative. A tactic which I have noticed is that black issues can’t be discussed without gay activists insisting that they be discussed in tandem. That’s what Sturtz was doing, and that’s why she chose to scream over FLO during that part of her speech.

          • malletgirl02

            To people like the heckler apparently there black gay people which is similar to some feminist who apparently think you can’t be both black and a woman.

        • crazycanuck

          She was planted there, that was her job to ‘heckle’.

          • trose1

            I think the lesbians who had the fundraiser are in on it. Just my conspiracy theory.

          • CamilleCamille

            I read where you wrote this a few days ago Trose and I do concur.

            Something didn’t quite make sense or add up for me.

            The fact that she was there from California and front and center at this event for her bottom dollar $500 donation and yet felt emboldened to do this, is very telling.

            I’ve also always found Mrs Obama to be incredibly intuitive about things and people– she’s very smart, quick on the uptake and has been said to be always spot on and reads people and situations extremely well–

            There was something about the way Mrs Obama chose to handle this situation that tends to confirm for me what you say. She’s normally incredibly tolerant and accommodating of even worse –and has been known to dismiss outright, attempts to draw her into conversations and speculation about why people attack her and her husband and how she feels about it. She never takes the bait and I think she very deliberately chose to handle this particular situation in this manner. And I’m so glad she did!

            She watched as the first heckler did his thing as Debbie Wasserman-Shultz spoke– she also noticed that there was no attempt to silence these two — not by the hosts who could have distanced themselves from this mess by asking that these two people respect their home and their special guests.

          • gn

            She’s a liar.

    • conlakappa

      Whch bring greater meaning to the crowd saying, “South Side.” They weren’t asking that she go gully but rather talking about the topic.

      • gn

        Interesting take!

  • crazycanuck

    Speaking of WH petition page, there is a petition there to repeal the Patriot Act.

  • GOVCHRIS1988

    I read the piece that Ms. Sturtz wrote, and I can say without a shadow of doubt that this is EXACTLY why the LGBT movement is shit. It does nothing but codifies these old ass white folks who wanted to be hippies in the 60’s, but were too punkass to do it or these Woodstockian hippies who believed they were changing the world just by having sex with 25 people in their weed blazed Vanagon with the doors open. The common denominator here is OLD white folks. In the current LGBT roster of leaders, I haven’t seen anyone young or minority in this movement. Nobody who can bring it brain power by getting the issues into smaller Democratic races such as state houses, state senates, and city councils. Instead, they waste their money going to $500 to $10,000 a plate fundraisers intending to make asses out of themselves. These folks are doing more harm to their movement because they are acting out of selfishness of their own plight rather than looking out for the future. Its not productive, it doesn’t make people you deem to have common cause with (Black folks, Latinos) even sympathetic to your side because you seem hellbent on attacking them more than your ACTUAL oppressors (White Republicans in your own family)

    • MonieTalks

      Iwas just thinking about this:

      The Black Civil Rights Movement, in which these media barking LGBT members want so badly to emulate but fall significantly short, was about TRUE consensus building.

      Fanny Lou Hamer, MLK Jr, Whitney Young and so many others could have easily said, “we really can’t trust White folks, because how do I know you aren’t setting me up to brutalize, bomb, or kill my family and I.” Instead we saw, Black, White, Jew, Latino, Union Workers walking hand in hand, building a coalition that was respectful, inclusive and most importantly DIGNIFIED.

      Yet the vocal and incessantly petulant LGBT class flouts their so-called impatience with the first Black president as a token of honor. But if it was 2005, we would have said ” GetEqual who?” Funny how that works. And then they have the never, along with silly ass columnists like Kelli Goff and others, who push that Blacks are the most homophobic group, yet there has NEVER been a Black legislator anywhere, federal or in the 50 states who has ever authored a piece of legislation targeting them.

      But the one Black politician, with the highest visibility of them all, advocates and signs decades long repeals and they repay he and his wife with the most disgusting behavior.

      And let me say this, is there ridicule with being LGBT, sure? Do they deserve decency and respect? Absolutely.

      But I am not convinced that deciding to acknowledge and announce your sexuality after carefully and methodically keeping it a secret for all of your life makes you an automatic civil rights hero. Jackie Robinson comparisons…stop it. Just my opinion,,, if one is offended, sorry. But I am at the end of my rope. There are so many other issues that are pressing and it is indeed nauseating at this point to hear about second class citizenry from people who have second class manners and consensus building.

      • trose1

        Second class citizens who have access to exclusive DNC fundraisers and access to WP to write articles is rare,

        • gn

          If you’re well-off enough to be retired at 56 after a pleasant career working for the government, you are HARDLY a “second-class citizen.” She’s a damn lie. Tired of her (and all other narcissists like her) whitewashing and watering down the black experience. Racist bish.

          http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_TcU1IJOol8E/TSpnph7KNnI/AAAAAAAAA1o/Aj2puXgVX1o/s640/Black+Children+Chain+Gang+1900%2527s.jpg

          • trose1

            Pisses me off to hear them claim they are second class citizens.
            That pic is so sad.

          • gn

            That pic isn’t even the half of it in terms of what black people have dealt with in this country and why it’s not mysterious or a sign of inferiority that in some ways we still struggle. But people like Sturtz don’t give a f- and are privileged enough to romanticize oppression.

          • qosine

            “romanticize oppression” – so true and so
            sick Plus – Sturtz either had the cash or
            given a ticket by GE, which in turn is
            supported by the billionaire J. Lewis.
            F%^%& her.

          • gn

            Srsly. This was a silly and childish episode; the only silver lining was watching FLO get her Clair Huxtable on. I love black mothers!

          • BoomerGal

            “in SOME ways we still struggle”…….uh, in MOST ways we still struggle.

    • MonieTalks

      Also, I was watching the “Newlyweds” show on Bravo which followed 4 different couples during the first year of marriage, one of which is a gay white male couple.

      The older male in the marriage has been disowned from his family. in one scene they show the arrival of his parent’s RSVP to their nuptials, of which they chose not to attend. He knew what the response would be beforehand. His parents long decided that they would rather miss every day left in his life than to accept his sexual orientation.

      But yet article after article, the Black communities views are being scrutinized giving the impression that we, along with PBO, are holding back the gay rights movement which ironically only found its fire and footing when PBO was elected.

    • rikyrah

      great thread…really enjoy everything you all wrote…telling all kinds of truths.

    • Miranda

      “It does nothing but codifies these old ass white folks who wanted to be hippies in the 60’s, but were too punkass to do it or these Woodstockian hippies who believed they were changing the world just by having sex with 25 people in their weed blazed Vanagon with the doors open.”
      ____________________________

      http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mbp10hMp991r3zat8.gif

    • CamilleCamille

      You know, this brings back a few unforgettable moments from 2008.

      Specifically, Elton John.

      Specifically Elton John in his capacity as vocal Hillary Clinton supporter and fundraiser and high profile LGBT personality.

      Elton John went on a rant deriding then Senator Obama and accusing him of misogyny and everything else under the sun.

      As Elton John subsequently held concerts to help Hillary offset her campaign debts after she lost, he kept at the attacks.

      It is important to note that Elton John, one of the most visible LGBT folks out there, never did go on to throw his support to Senator Obama — even as high as they all claimed the stakes were for the LGBT community with regard to the outcome of that election. Nor has he ever spoken a single positive word in support or even acknowledgement of President Obama and the many gains his efforts have secured the LGBT community.

      It is very important to note that Elton John subsequently became fast friends with Rush Limbaugh. At first playing at Rush’s 4th wedding, but then going on to become really good friends with, and even effusively defending Rush Limbaugh as a “good soul”. LOL.

      The louder and more offensive Rush Limbaugh’s vicious and hate-filled attacks on President and Mrs Obama got, the closer and more public and admiring his friendship with Elton John –at Elton’s prompting.

      It is important to stress again that even to this day, Elton John has yet to utter a single kind word in support of this President who has gone above and beyond for the community Elton John is part of and claims to love.

      And as I watched Elton John sing the praises of and huddle with Bill Clinton recently in Vienna, I couldn’t help thinking: this has never really been so much about a commitment to equality for some in the LGBT community after all. It couldn’t possibly be –I don’t think. Not for the likes of Elton John as far as I’m concerned.

      It’s still in the end, really all about the politics of race and deeply-held racial biases, stereotypes and resentments.

      There couldn’t possibly be a better explanation for a gay, Clinton-supporting Elton John thoroughly despising Barack Obama and yet fully embracing and even standing up publicly for the ultimate racist and misogynist, Rush Limbaugh. Does any of that make sense to anyone–?

      Elton John with a straight, red face accuses then Senator Obama of misogyny simply for winning the Democratic nomination over his preferred candidate Hillary, and even though the winning candidate ideally still represents exactly what Elton claims to care most about, he never throws his support behind him.

      Elton instead then goes on and out of his way to publicly court and effusively embrace to this very day, the biggest misogynist of them all – Rush Limbaugh. He even makes several public statements in strong defense of Rush. That the irony is so completely lost on Elton John is an understatement.

      It occurs to me each time I see some version of acting out by someone in the LGBT community, that for some in that community, race and their conscious, unconscious and subconscious feelings and responses to it, will oftentimes manifest itself and sometimes determine the way they treat and respond to perceived allies and enemies of their cause.

      They have the luxury to pick and choose who can participate and who they want to be a part of their cause and their fight for equality –even how and when you get to participate. Most other “oppressed” groups can’t afford to be quite as discriminating –or picky and will take help and support wherever it’s offered –and by whoever.

      As I think of Ellen Sturtz and her contemptuous behavior towards our First Lady, I can’t help thinking of Elton John in his role as Hillary supporter, Obama hater, Limbaugh friend; the attacks on the 3% voting black Californians who were blamed for Prop 8; Dan Savage and his vile, contemptuous hateful behavior towards Candidate and subsequently President Obama for too long—

      I think of GOProud and Log Cabin Republicans too, and it still occurs to me that for some in the LGBT community, it never has been and never will be primarily about the cause of equality—no matter how much the Ellen Sturtz’s of the world try to suggest or insist that the urgency of their cause propels them to rudely interrupt and disrupt at will —whenever, wherever, whomever.

      • gn

        It’s still in the end, really all about the politics of race and deeply-held racial biases, stereotypes and resentments

        YES. It’s a racist response to a black POTUS and a need for the assurance that black people will “stay in our place” and the desires of white people will always come first. Selling the lie that “We’re the real victims and black people are the real oppressors” has been high on the agenda for regressives for many years, and they just got a huge boost from people like Sturtz.

        • http://oldhollywood.net/ woody45

          You have been on this from the jump GN. She thought she could and that the white faces in the audience would have her back. When The First Lady told her “I ain’t the one” suddenly she was taken aback that the uppity colored lady got…well uppity.

          • gn

            Exactly, “I was taken aback,” please.

      • jziglar

        Great comment ! I agree 100 percent.

      • BoomerGal

        Guess I won’t be buying anymore of his cds.

        • conlakappa

          Moreover, tell him why. I find just a crotchety old scold who is always feuding with someone. No doubt, it all comes from the POV of privilege. He might be from a working-class background but was still born during the time of the British Empire, last throes and all.

    • http://oldhollywood.net/ woody45

      Oh but didn’t you read it? She was speaking for millions. Or should I say thousands. As in jobs with federal contractors. In other words this ten cents a dance twitnit could care less if gun violence among young people is out of control. So what? They only Black and Brown. The real issue is getting in on those federal contracts.

      I was tired of this ten cents a dance twitnit 30 seconds into her 15 minutes of fame.

      • qosine

        She just wants those private contracts, now that
        she’s presumably retired from the fed gov. Such
        a risk taker, she.

        • http://oldhollywood.net/ woody45

          I didn’t even know that qosine. So in other words she’s got that nice fat pension check from Uncle Sam but sure could use a little bit more to cushion those lean years when she will only be bringing in six figures.

          • gn

            56 and doing well enough to be retired, screaming over the FLOTUS and running to the papers with how she was “taken aback” that FLO didn’t let the disrespect go unanswered. Far as I’m concerned, this lady can take a hike.

      • BoomerGal

        I don’t see why they’re not getting federal contracts, hell they’re in every position of authority and influence in damn near every industry. One of their biggest problems, like Gov wrote, is fuck everybody else, they want their pony first, last and always!! I can’t stand ‘em!

        • conlakappa

          She wants a non-discrimination clause in their hiring practices. What I read is that 92% of the contractors don’t discriminate. If we learned nothing else from the healthcare debate we learned less than a whole loaf is worse than nothing at all.

  • rikyrah

    Good morning, Everyone :)

    • crazycanuck

      morning rikyrah

  • crazycanuck

    Go, Serena, Go Serena

  • Miranda

    Source: Durant to join Jay-Z agency
    Updated: June 8, 2013, 2:28 AM ET

    Jay-Z’s upstart sports agency has received another big boost, as a source confirmed to ESPN on Friday night that Oklahoma City Thunder forward Kevin Durant will leave his current agent to join Roc Nation Sports.

    The source said Durant believes he doesn’t need a contract agent now because he signed an $85 million extension with the Thunder in 2010 that will take him through the 2015-16 season. Instead, Durant — already one of the most marketable players in the league — has told those close to him that he wants to increase his brand.
    more here: http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/9354554/source-kevin-durant-oklahoma-city-thunder-intends-sign-jay-z

    http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lumuqzUzj51qemgsko1_500.gif

  • MonieTalks

    And while I’m ranting, where the hell was Luis Gutierrez this week?

    He couldn’t stay away from a fence or a reporter when it came to criticizing PBO. Hell, AFTER the election he was sure to acknowledge that he would LOVE working with failed GOP VP candidate Paul Ryan?

    Any word on if he led a protest outside his GOP House colleagues’ offices after this week’s vote….did he call them a disappointment with his fake ass.

    • rikyrah

      I already told you about Luis.

      Immigration reform is his HUSTLE.

      IF they actually PASS Immigration Reform..

      than what…he’d actually have to do his damn job.

      realized years ago that he doesn’t give two shyts about Immigration reform.

      and, unless he can disrespect the President, he’s not interested in getting to the microphone about Immigration reform.

      I read all these stories about the fucking scams the GOP want to pull to defeat immigration reform…and no quote from Luis..

      hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

    • trose1

      Good question

  • trose1

    Ok lets see what MHP is going to say about “the heckler”

    • rikyrah

      So, what did she say?

      • trose1

        Nothing yet but Anthea Butler is on the show and I am sure she will bring it.

      • gn

        I’m listening now, and they’re going in on Ellen Sturtz.

  • Miranda

    THE NERVE! Acting like he…like he’s President for godssakes!

    Republicans see an ‘arrogance of power’ in Obama White House
    By Megan R. Wilson – 06/08/13 06:00 AM ET

    Republicans said on Saturday that President Obama used “campaign-style” tactics to attack a GOP student loan-rate plan recently rejected by the Senate, pushing the debate backward.

    Rep. Luke Messer (R-Ind.) delivered the party’s weekly address and zeroed in on the Senate defeat of Republican legislation passed in the House to keep federally subsidized student loan rates low, which some say mirrors the White House’s own proposal.

    “[Obama’s] maneuvers are yet another example of the arrogance of power that has taken root in this administration, and it prevents us from addressing the people’s priorities,” he said.

    Read more: http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/blog-summaries/304301-gop-student-loan-battle-represents-arrogance-of-power-in-obama-white-house#ixzz2VdKEqfX3

    • rikyrah

      TWO elections, and they’re surprised when he ‘acts like the President’.

      MOFOS, HE IS THE PRESIDENT.

      • CamilleCamille

        Amen.

    • GreenLadyHere

      Good MornTin Miranda. ***BIG HUG** :>)

      – —LET’s REMIND ‘EM of THIS – –SECOND TIME AROUND!! — -HAH! :>)
      Good 2 C U Miranda. :>)

    • morphus

      “Arrogance of power” is a “do-nothing” Congress wilfully obstructing the will of the people.

    • nellcote

      which some say mirrors the White House’s own proposal.

      ===
      Fucking somesay should shut up and the reporter should take 5 minutes to find out somesay is lying.

      • Miranda

        Somesay…sourcessay and their cousin anonymous all need to STFU.

    • conlakappa

      From people who co-signed the previous administration’s “imperial presidency?” Okay then.

  • rikyrah

    They Can’t Even Fake It

    by BooMan
    Fri Jun 7th, 2013 at 06:00:16 PM EST
    I am disgusted by the amount of energy that is being wasted by people who pretend to take Eric Cantor seriously. He has this stupid bill called the Kids First Research Act. It would “end taxpayer funding of presidential campaigns and party conventions and divert that money instead to the National Institutes of Health to fund pediatric research.” It’s typical for conservatives to tie new funding for pediatric research to the destruction of any sense of civic duty to support our electoral system.

    Why is Cantor doing this? Because research shows that people don’t respond to his party’s all-austerity-all-the-time message. They’d rather come down with hepatitis B than listen to Eric Cantor drone on about government spending. So, he’s pushing some bills that might almost seem compassionate (it’s for the kids!) and then he can accuse the Democrats who oppose them of preferring campaigning to helping the sick little children.

    What an asshole, right? You probably won’t be surprised that the article details Cantor’s difficulties in lining up support for the sick little children. Turns out, most Republicans just want to take the money they save from making our elections 100% corporate-sponsored affairs and give it to rich people.

    So, you know, they’re talking to the Democrats. And some Democrats are so desperate to see the House authorize a nickel or two to any kind of non-abstinence related research that they’re actually ready to gut public spending on elections.

    The thing is, this bill isn’t going anywhere. The president wouldn’t sign it even if it passed the Senate. It’s all a joke. Cantor is trying to prove that his party can appear concerned about childhood disease and he’s discovering that they can’t. They can’t even fake it.

    http://www.boomantribune.com/story/2013/6/7/18016/51595

    • morphus

      Agree, there’s nothing repukes hawking from their bubble that’s likely appealing to the public. Wonder if following article’s title a hint as to the source for Cantor’s bill? Washington Post: Cantor Web site seeks citizen co-sponsors for bills.

    • nellcote

      the goopers are gearing up for 2014. They want votes on the record that they can campaign on.

  • GreenLadyHere
  • rikyrah

    In this week’s address, President Obama says that the United States Senate will soon take action to fix our broken immigration system with a commonsense bill, and urges lawmakers to act quickly to pass this bill so that we can continue to live up to our traditions as a nation of laws, and also a nation of immigrants.

  • rikyrah

    Goldie Taylor

    @goldietaylor

    So wait, dude “broke” news that Congress had already been briefed on?… Now, that’s a nice business model…

    allanbrauer

    @allanbrauer

    @goldietaylor I’d like to see the internal emails between the Guardian and Greenwald about the timing of his fund drive.

    11:29 AM – 7 Jun 2013

    • gn

      Wonder if the idiot who wrote the GG hagiography in the NYT actually bothered to do any research beyond talking to him and his ex-roommate.

      • crazycanuck

        This wasn’t about truth, so why bother

    • nellcote

      I’d like to see the internal emails

      ===
      Transparency!!!

  • Miranda

    ABC News won’t suspend Jon Karl for fake ass reporting which seems understandable when you consider they will publish fake ass letters as actual commentary.

    An Imagined Letter From One President to Another
    http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/imagined-letter-president-obama-president-bush/story?id=19350973#.UbNAIOf2bcg

    • nellcote

      I was wondering why GG is going to be on ABC tomorrow then I remembered Jon Karl.

    • conlakappa

      Written by a shill who worked on the re-selection [sic] campaign of the previous occupant. Next.

  • CamilleCamille

    The Guardian began it’s descent to irrelevance the day it hired Ana Marie Cox and died the day it hired Glenn Greenwald.

    • crazycanuck

      Anyone who hires GG deserves everything they get, that guy is the biggest fool out there.

  • crazycanuck

    4/2 second set. COME ON!

  • GreenLadyHere

    GOOD SATURDAY MORNTIN’ Miranda/POU FAM♥. ***BIG HUG*** :>) –GR8 INFORMATION -RE the “LEGACY of TRADITIONS Handed DOWN Through GENERATIONS. :>) THANK U Sepia♥ —A Magnificent SERIES. :>) –Have LEARNED Soo MUCH. :>)

    ——☻TRADITIONS: — –
    – – — —–☺The Nubians have traditionally lived on the banks of the Nile southern Egypt and north Sudan . They continue cultural practices which originated with their ancestors over 5,000 years ago in the age of the ancient Nubian kingdom . Nubian life revolves around the Nile River. The Nile provides water for drinking, washing, agriculture, In appreciation for the benefits of the Nile. the entire village gathers by the river during ceremonies such as birth, weddings, circumcisions, and harvest festivals

    – — — — ☺Nubian Wrestling -[Modern Day]

    — -ENJOY YOUR –NUBIAN BREAKFAST♥ – -B BLESSED 2-DAY♥

    • qosine

      Nubian wresting is interesting – the way their hands are
      held out flat, and the win comes from the opponent ending
      up on his back vs. getting knocked out. (Of course, I’m
      wondering why that security/cop guy keeps walking back
      in forth).

      • GreenLadyHere

        HEEY qosine♥ — ***BIG HUG*** :>)

        – — -***http://fc01.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2012/131/d/5/strawberry_awesome_high_five___gif_by_hnrat-d4ze9e5.gif”>With a FLAT HAND:>) -:>) —

        I ‘ON’T KNOW —WHAT he was doin’. – –LOL– – -Ya think people would B jumpin’ — in ??- –Orrrr he just needsta show that he IS WORKIN’?? LOL – –

        Good 2 C U qosine. :>) Have a good day. :>)- -

  • http://pragmaticobotsunite.blogspot.com/ Sepia

    I think Serena just called Sharapova a bish with that last serve.

  • GreenLadyHere

    Sepia — – CONTINUE 2 PRAY 4 – -OUR DEAR “Matiba”♥ —

    – – – – – -Mandela back in hospital in ‘serious’ condition — AMEN

    —- – - Former South African leader Nelson Mandela is in “serious but stable condition” at a Pretoria hospital with a recurring lung infection, the presidential spokesman said Saturday.
    Mandela was hospitalized early Saturday after the state of his health deteriorated in the last few days, according to spokesman Mac Maharaj.

    “He’s receiving the best possible care,” he said. “Everything is being done to ensure that he is comfortable and that he is getting better.”

    Maharaj said that the anti-apartheid icon is breathing on his own.

    Mandela’s wife, Graca Machel, is at the hospital with him, sources told CNN. She canceled her plans to attend the Hunger Summit meeting in London on Saturday.
    THERE IS MORE —

    – –BLESS U♥ – -Dear “Matiba” Mandela –AMEN – -

  • crazycanuck

    FRENCH OPEN CHAMPION BABY

  • http://pragmaticobotsunite.blogspot.com/ Sepia

    Yeah Serena!

  • GreenLadyHere
    • crazycanuck

      With and ace!

      • GreenLadyHere

        Good MornTin’ crazycanuck. ***BIG HUG** :>) – –
        – – ***BIG fist bump*** :>) – –EXCITING!! :>) – –

        Good 2 C U. – –:>)

  • Alma98

    Good morning all! And to Serena, Hell Yeah!

    • GreenLadyHere

      - – -BONJOUR Alma98. :>) — -THANK U 4 THIS LOVELY SUN.- – —Have a good day. :>)

      • Alma98

        Bonjour GLH!

        • GreenLadyHere

          ***HUGs*** — -Alma. :>) EXCITING DAY. — -:>)

          • Alma98

            Very exciting good to see ya!

          • GreenLadyHere

            –***Smilin @-chu. :>)****

    • qosine

      What a wonderful sun, Alma!!

      • Alma98

        Morning qosine, thank you,

        • qosine

          It’s been humid, cloudy, and rainy here in TN for days. So I’m sun starved:)

          • Alma98

            It’s been cold & cloudy here so I understand what you mean.

    • sagittarius

      Morning, Alma!

      • Alma98

        Morning sag!

    • rikyrah

      Good Afternoon, ALMA!!

      • Alma98

        Hello rikyrah!

  • gn

    Corey Booker’s currently about to announce his senate run.

    • crazycanuck

      Where’s Danny at?

      • gn

        lol, heading up his “exploratory” committee…

        • http://pragmaticobotsunite.blogspot.com/ Sepia

          You ain’t right! LOL

        • Miranda

          She canvassing as we speak!

          • crazycanuck

            LOL

    • http://pragmaticobotsunite.blogspot.com/ Sepia

      Oh.

      *sips green tea and reads newspaper*

    • CamilleCamille

      If only he hadn’t prematurely overstepped in his crass strong-arming of a fellow Democrat–And instead wooed the old and ailing Frank Lautenberg with respect—

      It was only a matter of time –and if Corey were as savvy and as astute and had any foresight, he would have known and done better–

      The outcome would have been much more palatable and pleasant with fewer resentful and hurt feelings and regrets—

      He was very short-sighted and came off looking crassly ambitious, selfish, uncaring, disrespectful, inconsiderate and a tad inhumane–

  • http://pragmaticobotsunite.blogspot.com/ Sepia

    Serena freakin’ it in French! Talk yo’ isht Serena!

  • http://pragmaticobotsunite.blogspot.com/ Sepia

    Did Serena just say her coach was spicy? #IDontSpeakFrench

    • Alma98

      LOL!!!

  • dannie22

    Hello all! I see u negroes, but its cool. MY MAN is going to win. So get on board the Booker train and stop hating lol!

    • Alma98

      LOL

    • CamilleCamille

      LOL.

      Corey’s got a bunch of homework he’s got to do.

      • dannie22

        Most voters don’t have as good a memory as you do sis #bookertrain

        • CamilleCamille

          LOL.

          For all our sakes, I hope so. We have to win that seat and I don’t trust that awful Chris Christie and his cohorts one bit.

    • gn

      lmao.

    • http://pragmaticobotsunite.blogspot.com/ Sepia
      • dannie22

        I ain’t worried about this trick. She not on my level and she’s just a hanger on as far as I’m concerned. This dried up stank ass cooch doesn’t stand a chance with me in the room. So post as many pictures as you want Sepia. I’m not pressed :-)

        • sagittarius

          Well, alrighty then!
          slips out, stage left, cause it looks like it’s bout to be one with Ms. King

          • crazycanuck

            uh uh, I’m staying I wanna see the fight lol.

        • Alma98

          LMBAO!!!

        • qosine

          This’ll be fun!! (pulls up chair and opens cooler).

        • GreenLadyHere
          • qosine

            LOL

          • GreenLadyHere

            - –***smilin’ @-chu*** :>)

        • http://pragmaticobotsunite.blogspot.com/ Sepia

          So, let me get this straight….you don’t like Gayle? LOL

    • crazycanuck

      GN started it

    • GreenLadyHere

      GOOd MornTin dannie♥. — -YA KNOW! :>)

      — Not hatin’ – –BUT –he woulda received –“support” —ifff he was – -doin’ –MAYOR STUFF. :>) —

      Good 2 C U dannie. ):> Have a good day. :>)

    • Admiral_Komack

      Vote Booker…because there’s always a cat in a tree…

      • conlakappa

        It took me a minute to get that because, well, it has been at least 3 months since he heroically rescued someone.

  • GreenLadyHere
  • nellcote

    CNET: No Evidence of NSA ‘Direct Access’ to Tech Companies
    Greenwald’s PRISM story has collapsed

    Tonight CNET is confirming that there is no evidence the NSA has ‘direct access’ to tech companies, contradicting the claims by the Guardian’s Glenn Greenwald.

    The National Security Agency has not obtained direct access to the systems of Apple, Google, Facebook, and other major Internet companies, CNET has learned.

    Recent reports in the Washington Post and the Guardian claimed a classified program called PRISM grants “intelligence services direct access to the companies’ servers” and that “from inside a company’s data stream the NSA is capable of pulling out anything it likes.”

    Those reports are incorrect and appear to be based on a misreading of a leaked Powerpoint document, according to a former government official who is intimately familiar with this process of data acquisition and spoke today on condition of anonymity.

    “It’s not as described in the histrionics in the Washington Post or the Guardian,” the person said. “None of it’s true. It’s a very formalized legal process that companies are obliged to do.”

    http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/42100_CNET-_No_Evidence_of_NSA_Direct_Access_to_Tech_Companies

    • qosine

      The crushing of Greenwald begins.

      • Alma98

        I hope he’s ground down to dust so we never have to see him on TV again.

        • qosine

          Like Plouffe said about Grant Theft Issa,
          pleasing him if he never had to think
          about Issa again. It just KILLS me to
          see Greenwald in print and TV. It just
          bumps up his lecture fees.

        • http://oldhollywood.net/ woody45

          And I have no problem if The Washington Post gets some of the collateral damage as well.

          • qosine

            Fine with me, too.

          • Alma98

            Definitely!

          • conlakappa

            But… but… Watergate… legacy… uh, er… [Yosemite Sam trail-off voice here]

    • Alma98

      I’d like to know if he wrote about this program when it was first enacted under Bush. He put one over on the msm who probably did stories about it themselves. All they had to do was research but they’re too damn lazy for that. Now they all are walking around with egg on their faces.

      • qosine

        Yes, isn’t it great! Another fake “scandal” down.
        Another blow to their credibility. Meanwhile, PBO’s
        credibility stays strong.

        • Alma98

          Yep, the first on this story said GG looks like Joe the camel. lol

        • malletgirl02

          They have no one to blame but themselves.

      • creolechild

        GG is a mental midget…and a liar.

        Glenn Greenwald Supported President Bush As He Signed The Patriot Act!

        The Patriot Act was signed on October 26, 2001 and this is what Glenn Greenwald wrote in the preface to his own book – his words, not mine…(emphasis IS mine)

        [....] I believed that Islamic extremism posed a serious threat to the country, and I wanted an aggressive response from our government. I was ready to stand behind President Bush and I wanted him to exact vengeance on the perpetrators and find ways to decrease the likelihood of future attacks. During the following two weeks, my confidence in the Bush administration grew as the president gave a series of serious, substantive, coherent, and eloquent speeches that struck the right balance between aggression and restraint.

        And I was fully supportive of both the president’s ultimatum to the Taliban and the subsequent invasion of Afghanistan when our demands were not met. Well into 2002, the president’s approval ratings remained in the high 60 percent range, or even above 70 percent, and I was among those who strongly approved of his performance.[....]

        Read more: http://extremeliberal.wordpress.com/2013/06/07/glenn-greenwald-supported-president-bush-as-he-signed-the-patriot-act/

        H/T Extreme Liberal

    • gn

      Anyone here could have warned WaPo about GG and his penchant for histrionics as well as his penchant for loudly making wild accusations against the PBO administration with no proof (“Manning is being tortured!”). All of this is just more beltway media excess and bullshit. Glad to see egg on faces.

  • sagittarius

    Morning, POU Fam!

    Have a wonderful day! I need another cup of coffee while I catch up my reading.

    • gn

      You have a great day too, Sag!

      • sagittarius

        Morning, my fellow Sag!

        Can I just tell you how much I admire your fierceness in discussing the ways folks are trying to co-opt our experiences?! It helps us devise strategies to point it out and keep tight hold of our narrative.

        • http://twitter.com/bogan3253 Eric Bogan

          what Sag said. Keep it up GN!

        • crazycanuck

          totally agree

        • qosine

          Absolutely true.

        • rikyrah

          amen

    • crazycanuck

      i really want a coffee also, but I’m trying to quit.

      • sagittarius

        I alternate betwen tea and coffee. It’s a coffee day today, LOL

        • crazycanuck

          I can never make a good cup of tea. I’m loosing willpower over the coffee lol

    • GreenLadyHere

      GOOD MORNTIN’ Sagittarius♥. :>) ***BIG HUG*** :>)

      Sooo good 2 C U. :>) Have a good day. :>)

      • sagittarius

        Good morntin’, GLH ***BIG HUG***

  • Miranda

    Afternoon thread is up!

  • qosine
    • BoomerGal

      Get em girl and congrats!! I love it that she lives in Paris!! I’m so jealous!!!