October 22, 2017

Thursday Open Thread: African-American Stuntmen and Stuntwomen


Pioneering Hollywood stunt performer, who doubled for Bill Cosby in the network series “I Spy”. Calvin Brown is the first African American stuntman recognized in Hollywood. He is also one of the original founders of the Black Stuntmen’s Association and the Sober Living House.

Brown was born in Farmersville, LA, on April 23, 1936 to Sylvester Brown and Ida Mae Washington Brown, who married at the age of 18 and 16 respectively. Brown and his twin brother Galvin are the second born to a family with eight children; five boys and three girls. At the age of two years old his family moved to Grambling, LA. Brown states that he was “community raised”, meaning that everyone in the community was responsible for raising the children, he continues, “you could do no wrong, somebody was going to get you”. This was also the community where he, at the age of nine, started working for the United States Postal Service as a 2nd Class Special Delivery Mail Messenger. He earned nine cents per letter and earned up to thirty or forty dollars per month. Brown says, that was a lot of money during that time for someone his age.

Calvin continued to work as a 2nd Class Special Delivery messenger as he completed his undergraduate work at Grambling State University where his salary increased to $1.92 per letter. He played numerous sports and was a member of the marching band in the horn section. He graduated from Grambling in 1957. After graduation he moved to California, worked for the US Postal Service there and became and extra in Hollywood movies.

Brown’s first movie was Drums Over Africa where he started out as an extra and then moved to stunt work. He played the chief, a runaway slave and performed all of the Black stunt work for the movie. His first stunt was falling out of a tree. He performed this stunt six times and was paid six hundred dollars cash all in one hundred dollar bills. Brown, said “that was a lot of money and I have been falling out of trees ever since.” Hollywood took notice and Browns role as the first Black Hollywood stuntman was solidified when Brown became the stunt double for Bill Cosby. Brown did all of the stunt work for Cosby in I Spy the first television series to feature a Black actor, which aired from 1965 to 1968. Brown also did Black stunt work for other TV series such as, Mission Impossible, The Wild Wild West, and movies like The Split, I Spy Returns, Blank Check and others. Brown was the stunt double for actors such as Jim Brown, and Greg Morris and has also performed small character roles.

While working on The Split, Calvin shattered his leg and was in a straight leg cast for two years. During this period Brown founded the Black Stuntmen’s Association, and helped train current and entering African Americans including members of the 10th Calvary Buffalo Soldiers, about the business of stunting. This included how to do high falls, throws, and safety techniques. Brown says he taught them how to “dance in front of the camera”. He kept plaster of paris in the trunk of his car to re-cast his leg after teaching stunts at Athens Park in Los Angeles.

Over the years his leg injury prevented Brown from earning a steady living as a stuntman; this loss caused him to turn to drugs and alcohol for solace. He spent 5 years in the wilderness and found the strength to enter the Salvation Army’s Harbor Lights Rehabilitation center for one year, he reached sobriety in 9 months and vowed never to use drugs or alcohol again. In his commitment to sobriety he vowed to help others and started the Sober Living House in 1990.

Calvin “Cal” Brown is currently working as a stunt coordinator, while residing in California with his wife Ruth Ann.


***Information courtesy of the National Visionary Leadership Project***

  • Mornin’ POU!

    Prayers for a swift recovery for Mr. Mandela…

    Nelson Mandela in Hospital With Lung Infection
    March 28, 2013

    Former South African President Nelson Mandela was admitted to the
    hospital just before midnight Wednesday because of his recurring lung
    infection, the South African president’s office said today.

    “Doctors are attending to him, ensuring that he has the best possible expert medical treatment and comfort,” the government’s statement said.

    Mandela, 94, spent 18 days in the hospital in December for a lung infection and gallstones.

    “We appeal to the people of South Africa and the world to pray for our beloved Madiba and his family and to keep them in their thoughts,” South African President Jacob Zuma said in the statement. “We have full confidence in the medical team and know that they will do everything possible to ensure recovery.”

    MORE: http://abcnews.go.com/International/nelson-mandela-hospital-lung-infection/story?id=18828159#.UVQ7FDeQN9w

    • GreenLadyHere

      Good MornTIN’ Sepia. ***BIG HUG*** :>)

      THANK U 4 this UPDATE.-:>) –***Joinin’ U in PRAYER. AMEN.***


      Good 2 C U Sepia. Have a good day. :>) —

  • isonprize

    Never met him, but I LOVE this guy!!

    He is also one of the original founders of the Black Stuntmen’s Association and the Sober Living House. … In his commitment to sobriety he vowed to help others and started the Sober Living House in 1990.

  • It’s Google’s fault? Really??

    The idea that Common Sense Media’s bankruptcy has nothing to do with Google bigfooting the market for online advertising is amusing.— David Dayen (@ddayen) March 28, 2013

    But this the realist tweet thus far:

    @davidoatkins @ddayen golden age of progressive blogging, 2003 — 2008. Started with Howard Dean’s campaign and ended with Obama’s election.— Jon Shiffman (@JonShiffman) March 28, 2013

    • Miranda

      Oh dear….the poor pathetic emoprogs have sads…gots to blame the black guy for it huh?

      • But it’s the truth because PBO exposed them for the phonies that they are. People are doing their own research and finding out the EmoProgs are a bunch of hustlers, and challenging their bs.

        This is the EmoProgs’ new theme song: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7jbtwQgqH5U

        • Kennymack1971

          Dammit… LMBO!

    • “golden age of progressive blogging, 2003 — 2008. Started with Howard Dean’s campaign and ended with Obama’s election.”

      Boom. Boom. Can I get a boom-boom? It’s hilarious that they still have not comprehended this. PBO’s machine built devoid of the blogosphere basically signaled the beginning of the end of what little influence (and it was never much) they had. Hamsher’s grift ,uh I mean blog is not the first and it won’t be the last to fold its tent.

    • dannie22

      poor delusional negro d dayen. im shocked that daishiki wearing revolutionary like d dayen would be kissing so much white ass.

      • Sometimes they’re the ones that do it the most.

      • Hol’ up! Dayden is Black???

        • dannie22

          my bad. im thinking of davey d

      • gn

        I think that the Hamster/fdl David Dayen is a white guy. IIRC he’s an emoprog.

  • rikyrah

    Have a good day Everyone 🙂
    Good Morning!!

  • MonieTalks

    Nearly Three Centuries Later, Black Press Still Pleading Cause
    by Deniqua Campbell

    (TriceEdney Wire) – Wendell Allen’s life came to an abrupt
    end on March 7 last year as he died shirtless, standing on a staircase,
    at his Gentilly home in New Orleans, La.

    Unarmed, the 20-year-old basketball star was shot in his back by New Orleans Police Department officer Josh Colclough. For six weeks the Allen family believed their child was shot in his chest until the embalmer revealed that Allen was actually shot in his back.

    Yet, newspaper readers in New Orleans noticed two starkly different news priorities on the stands and in the streets. Louisiana Weekly, a Black-owned paper, had the Wendell Allen shooting on the front cover. Right beside it, was the Times-Picayune, a White daily newspaper that had no mention of the Allen shooting. Instead, the cover featured a Black male being charged with multiple counts of murder.

    more: http://www.seattlemedium.com/News/article/article.asp?NewsID=115094&sID=3&ItemSource=L

    • Today the Black press faces issues within its own agencies. Perhaps the biggest is technological advancement. According to the State of the News Media in 2007, an annual report by the Pew Research Center on American journalism, “the black press has been slow to technology, and its audience appears to be aging.”

      Pew’s State of the Media 2013 reports a new Black press hurdle – how to attract the attention of new, younger readers.

      This has been the biggest problem with old school Black media and organizations: Lack of evolution. They insist on relying on antiquated methods to get their message across. Why don’t they have up-to-date websites? Where is their social media presence?

      • conlakappa

        Why won’t they even employ a good copyeditor?

      • You know how stubborn they can be sometimes particularly when they get entrenched. Saw the same thing in a lot of these state agencies. Decades behind the times and proud of it. Suggest something new and look out for the eye darts headed your way.

        • Miranda

          HA! You sound like you speak from experience! I should know…been there! Back in 2001 – me: “I think we should create a database to store these records electronically instead of people having to go to these dusty file rooms every time we need to pull one” reaction: “she think she know every thang”

          • That’s the line. And then what happens management decides that they’re right and you’re wrong. Why? because they’ve always done it that way and all them new fangled changes are only going to complicate things. And by the way who is this smart mouthed so and so with all the phony baloney ideas? We don’t eat lunch with her.

          • Miranda

            ROFLMAO!! Yep…that lil smarty art won’t last around here!

  • rikyrah

    ‘Irate’ Gohmert in incident with Park Police

    By Steve Benen
    Wed Mar 27, 2013 4:43 PM EDT

    Politico reports today on a “late-night verbal altercation” between the far-right congressman and U.S. Park Police, following a parking ticket at the Lincoln Memorial.

    Shortly after 11 p.m. on March 13, officers wrote Rep. Louie Gohmert a citation for parking his black Ford SUV in a spot reserved for National Park Service vehicles, according to a Park Police report obtained by POLITICO.

    But Gohmert wasn’t having it: He told the Park Police that his congressional parking placard allows him to park in that spot, and he’s on the committee that oversees the agency.

    Gohmert took the ticket off his windshield and placed it on a police car along with his business card with a written message: “Oversight of Park Service is my job! Natural Resources Thus the Congressional Plate in window

    One officer reported that the Republican congressman was “ranting,” while another said the congressman was “rude and irate.”


  • rikyrah

    Red-state Dems signal support for background checks

    By Steve Benen
    Thu Mar 28, 2013 8:00 AM EDT

    Pending legislative proposals to reduce gun violence are already facing a perilous path, but there’s an initial hurdle that serves as prerequisite to the others: Democratic support. It’s going to be tough enough to overcome Republican opposition in both chambers, but if a significant number of Senate Dems balk, too, passing meaningful legislation will be practically impossible.

    With this in mind, Greg Sargent reported the other day that several red-state Democrats have been noticeably silent on their intentions, even on measures like expanded background checks, which enjoy near-universal support from the public.


  • MonieTalks

    While Fl Gov Rick Scott was busy challenging ACA, a Republican donor and major fundraiser and just recently resigned GOP finance chairman was busy destroying his healthcare company with fraud and is management…now the Feds are involved.

    Federal agents raid Universal Health Care headquarters in St. Petersburg

    ST. PETERSBURG — Federal agents raided Universal Health Care’s
    headquarters early Thursday, according to employees who were escorted from the building shortly after 8 a.m.


    some background info
    Universal Health Care under scrutiny for years before regulators swept in
    ….To fend off creditors and buy time to potentially sell the company,
    Universal’s parent company, which also is controlled by Desai, filed for
    Chapter 11 bankruptcy reorganization earlier this week.

    Dealing with Universal’s woes has had other impacts on Desai, who is
    well-known as a major donor and fundraiser for the Republican Party.
    This week, he resigned his position as state finance chairman for the
    Republican Party as well as his seat on the Florida Board of Education.


    • Miranda

      Can’t wait for Rick Scott to go down in flames.

      • conlakappa

        Dunno, snakes like he are usually pretty good at just shedding a skin.

        • Uh-huh. Voters telling themselves “You know he wasn’t all that bad. Sure I’m living behind the Wendy’s right off Highway 2 and can’t get health insurance but still…That’s not his fault.”

        • JojoRaze

          I’m pretty sure his downfall is pending. He royally messed up on taking the ACA funds, ticking off the baggers who put him in power while the election fiasco ticked off Dems. Plus his lieutenant gov is as honest as a highway robber. He’s definitely gonna be a one-termer.

  • rikyrah

    Republicans know they have a problem on gay marriage

    Posted by Greg Sargent on March 27, 2013 at 2:31 pm

    House Republicans continue to shell out taxpayer money to defend the Defense of Marriage Act — they hired Paul Clement, the lawyer representing the law in the Supreme Court today. But as NPR’s Nina Totenberg reports, the law’s defenders are oddly reluctant to discuss their position in public:

    Those defending DOMA have been strangely unwilling to make their arguments outside of the court. House Speaker John Boehner, R-Ohio, declined to be interviewed for this article, as did Clement and leading House members who voted for the law. Even Sen. Orrin Hatch, R-Utah, who filed a friend of the court brief supporting DOMA, was unavailable for an interview. The primary sponsor of the bill, former Rep. Bob Barr, R-Ga., now retired, has changed his mind and now opposes the law.

    According to the Twitters, Clement didn’t speak to reporters after the arguments today.

    The remarkable thing about all this is that Republicans know they have a problem on their hands when it comes to the rapid evolution on marriage equality and their party’s failure to keep up with it, yet they appear to be constrained from doing anything about it. As I noted here yesterday, polls are showing a generational divide among Republicans over this issue; while majorities of Republicans overall continue to oppose gay marriage, pluralities or even majorities of young Republicans now support it. Kevin Drum comments on this problem:


  • MonieTalks


    13 Parks Department workers get $165,000 settlement after being
    transferred out of Battery Park City in favor of lighter-skinned workers

    By Ginger Adams Otis / NEW YORK DAILY NEWS

    The city will pay thousands of dollars to dark-skinned Parks Department workers who claim they were transferred out of tony Battery Park City
    in favor of white and light-skinned staffers amid threats and veiled
    complaints that they were too aggressive.

    The workers filed a discrimination suit after the March 2011 transfers — which came after months of escalating tensions between the mostly minority agents and some residents of the ritzy enclave.

    Swastikas and graffiti calling the Public Enforcement Patrol officers
    “thugs,” “pigs” and “n—–s” started popping up on benches and walls,
    according to the suit filed by 13 workers.

    The Parks Department wrongfully transferred eight dark-skinned workers out and brought in eight white, Asian or light-skinned Hispanics after the Battery Park City Authority — a private trust that pays the city $2 million for 31 PEP workers on its 32 acres — complained that some officers were too aggressive in ticketing residents, the suit charged.

    Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/parks-dept-workers-165k-discrimination-settlement-article-1.1300923#ixzz2OqCerQ00

    • Residents of the waterfront neighborhood were pleased when PEP workers
      ticketed visitors — but annoyed when they got tickets for the same petty
      violations, said Charles St. Louis, a retired NYPD officer and PEP
      agent who is a plaintiff in the suit.

      This doesn’t surprise me at all. They think the rules don’t apply to them. And I see they’re using OWS’ symbol on those racist fliers. *sigh* Gotta love those limousine liberals!

    • Miranda

      This is a damn shame.

    • Kennymack1971

      Same old BS. And in nice liberal New York..

  • GreenLadyHere


    —–☻ HE’S A FIRST!!— -Annnnd MORE: —
    – — – – -☺Calvin Brown is the first African American stuntman
    recognized in Hollywood. He is also one of the original founders of the Black Stuntmen’s Association
    -and the Sober Living House.

    – – — – -☺Brown’s first movie was Drums Over AfricaIMPORTANT HISTORICAL MOVIE (Embedded with RACISM)] —
    — — – -☺HUMANITARIAN: –started the Sober Living House in 1990.

    – — – -☺The President welcomes President Ernest Bai Koroma of
    Sierra Leone, President Macky Sall of Senegal, President Joyce Banda of Malawi, and Prime Minister José Maria Pereira Neves of Cape Verde to the White House
    — – – –☺President Obama will continue his charm offensive next month at a second dinner with Republicans :>)

    – – – –PBOMB: THANK U 4 this SERIES. – -Sooo INFORMATIVE annnnd INSPIRING. :>)

    — —ENJOY YOUR TREAT :>) -[Brrr. .] :>) —B BLESSED 2-DAY. :>)

    Drums of Africa – (Original Trailer) -[U can hear the USUAL RACISM –Dark Continent,etc.] –

    • conlakappa

      Well, duh, of course the Kenyan Mooslim is just hosting his fellow Africans!!!

      • GreenLadyHere

        Good MornTin’ conlakappa. ***BIG HUG** :>)–

        –LOL — -***fist bump*** —LOL –“WHYCOME” U gotta –SPEAK TRUTH!!? :>)- –
        Cain’t wait 4 PICS. — -IMMA CRY. :> —
        Good 2 C U conlakappa :>) —

  • rikyrah

    When a persecution complex goes awry

    By Steve Benen

    Thu Mar 28, 2013 9:38 AM EDT.

    For the social conservatives and the religious right movement, a sense of victimization and a profound persecution complex aren’t just hallmarks of their ideology, it’s been elevated to a near art form. Nobody — nobody — feels sorry for themselves as dramatically and effectively as far-right evangelical activists.

    And with the culture-war winds blowing even stronger in a progressive direction of late, the urge among social conservatives to feel sorry for themselves is apparently uncontrollable. David Brody of radical TV preacher Pat Robertson’s Christian Broadcasting Network offered this self-pitying gem yesterday (via Ed Kilgore):

    In the media’s narrative, you would think that homosexuals are the poor souls who have been banished by society like ugly stepchildren and are now rising to overcome incredible odds.

    But what about today? Let’s be honest: If you are a conservative evangelical who believes in the biblical definition of traditional marriage then guess what? You are one of the following: An outcast, a bigot, narrow-minded, a “hater” or all of the above. It’s a different type of ridicule but it’s still ridicule.


  • GreenLadyHere

    PBOMB – —The NEWTOWN residents continue their press 4 –GUN CONTROL –BLESS THEM♥ — –

    Newtown parents press for gun control in Bloomberg group’s ad

    – —New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg’s (I) pro-gun control group on Thursday unveiled a new ad featuring parents of children killed in the Newtown, Conn. mass shooting calling for tougher gun laws.
    The ad from “Mayors Against Illegal Guns” will run on Connecticut stations,
    and urges state legislators to pass universal background checks on all gun sales, as well as bans on the sale of military-style assault weapons and high-capacity magazines, according to reports.

    – — –RIHEP –annnd CONDOLENCES 2 ALL. AMEN.

  • Alexander2

    (I’m sure she’s a first-rate lawyer. But the Thurgood Marshall comparison is way over the top.)

    In Fight for Marriage Rights, ‘She’s Our Thurgood Marshall’
    Published: March 27, 2013

    “Barney Frank, the former Massachusetts congressman, who is openly gay, said the move had sealed Ms. Bonauto’s reputation as a “first-rate lawyer and a first-rate strategist” who built on one victory after another.

    “She’s our Thurgood Marshall,” he said, referring to the Supreme Court justice who made history fighting racial discrimination. . .

    Ms. Kaplan said it “makes me crazy” that people do not know Ms.
    Bonauto’s work. Like Mr. Frank, she drew an analogy to Justice Marshall.

    “She conceived of a strategy just like him, over a long number of years,and then implemented it,” Ms. Kaplan said. “It was strategically brilliant, and she succeeded. No one else can say that.”


    • gn

      I think it’s over the top as well. A group consisting mostly of privileged white folks are not now, nor were they ever, equivalent to black life under slavery and Jim Crow. I’m sorry, I have to speak to mind: looks to me like a pretty disrespectful, condescending group of people have successfully colonized and appropriated the political and social currency of the civil rights movement from a way less powerful group of people. Not surprised to see the NYT running with it.

      • MonieTalks

        Just the other day there was an article comparing this yet unnamed pro-football player who is contemplating disclosing his sexual orientation to Jackie Robinson. Umm….isn’t this player already playing and is actually choosing to reveal his private life…Jackie courageously BROKE the barrier for all professional sports and continued to be at the receiving end of discrimination and racial tension. He could never hide or choose not to disclose his race.

        A NBC news anchor, whose partner is apparently already pregnant announced she was gay. Of course the Supreme Court hearings on DOMA and NBC’s sinking ratings had everything to do with the timing of this announcement. But really?

        • gn

          Similar to some points I read (I think here) yesterday, by claiming that attending to a group which is mostly privileged whites is similar to desegregation and the challenges to Jim Crow, the media can be saturated with claims of righteousness with no real challenge or disruption to a racist & classist status quo. The cherry on top is via the “black homophobes” story, black people are now supposedly the oppressors of white folks. I really do wish that the handful of black people in the media and other high visible platforms would consider the implications of this and understand why most black people are not trying to hear it.

          • Tafr

            I live in rural WA state, beautiful town but rural. The county I live in is about 2% AA. This year the people of my county voted for pot, voted for PBO but the shot down gay marriage. My husband said they want to smoke their pot, they voted for PBO ,their own best interest, but they said hell naw to the gays. We all know it is not black folks keeping these people from getting married. The fact that these fools do not see that is on them.

            Remember a couple of months ago we were talking about prop 8 and the Mormons. I told you that I watched a documentary on how the Mormons funded prop 8. I will never forget this one family bragging that they donated their kid’s college money to fund prop 8. There was no excuse for gay activist to not know what the Mormons were up to. Could you imagine where black folks would be today had civil right activist behaved like these white gay activist. We did not go from being property, to voting for the first black president by being lazy and scapegoating.

          • gn

            Stellar comment. I think for us, being able to identify who will and won’t work in our interests is a matter of our very survival. We can’t afford to bury our heads in the sand and for one example of many, pretend that the GOP is colorblind or innocuous. We literally can’t afford to scapegoat.

          • I think they do it intentionally. A White Majority In California says yes to Prop 8. The Latino community votes just about the same and all of a sudden it’s the sole exclusive fault of Black Californians and Our Community in general.


          • Tafr

            They just cannot help themselves. When Maddow went on her prop 8 rant I lost all respect for her. She basically said we gave you a black president how dare you go against gay rights. Maddow is smart, am I to believe she does not know that black folks make up a tiny percentage of the California demographic? Of course she knew but she could not help herself.

        • GreenLadyHere
    • GreenLadyHere

      Good MORNTIN’ ALEXANDER2 — **BIG HUG** :>) —

      — -***DOUBLE fist bump*** — But the Thurgood Marshall comparison is way over the top.) — –

      “WHYCOME?” – –“WHYCOME?” – -PUH-LEEZE! – —

      -“FALSE EQUIVALENCY” —CLEARLY at work. –4 sooo many reasons.- –geesh. —

      GOOD 2 C U ALEXANDER2. – –Have a good day. :>)

      • Alexander2

        Hey GLH:

        Supreme Court victories

        Thurgood Marshall: 29 out of 32
        This lady: 0 out of 0

        Same thing!

        • GreenLadyHere

          LOL – –***Slaps forehead** –LOL —

          -Why –OF COURSE it’s the —Same thing!
          /SNARK! :>) —

          THANKS 4 the –“EVIDENCE??” – — LOL – – – -I’m LUVIN’ IT! :>) —

        • LOL!!

        • Miranda

          Well played sir, well played!

    • Oh brother. GN is right. They all want to appropriate Black culture for their own without having to actually acknowledge Black People or admit their racism towards same.

  • rikyrah

    Immigration fight coming to a head

    By Steve Benen
    Thu Mar 28, 2013 10:29 AM EDT

    Half of the Senate’s “Gang of Eight” immigration working group toured the U.S.-Mexico border in Arizona yesterday, with Sens. Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.), John McCain (R-Ariz.), Jeff Flake (R-Ariz.), and Michael Bennet (D-Colo.) getting a first-hand look at ongoing enforcement efforts before unveiling their bipartisan, comprehensive plan.

    “The bottom line is we’re very close,” Schumer told reporters, referencing the unfinished legislation. “I’d say we’re 90 percent there.”

    President Obama certainly hopes so. He told Univision yesterday he’s ready to stand behind the bipartisan plan, and he’s counting on it being “before the Senate” in April.

    But while the legislative machinations continue, Brian Beutler flags a story that went largely overlooked the other day. (“CIR” refers to “comprehensive immigration reform.”)

    The short version is that Janet Napolitano sat down with reporters yesterday and effectively rejected one of the GOP’s key CIR demands — that any path to citizenship remain locked until border security is strengthened to meet some measurable, yet to be determined standard.

    She essentially said that creating such a metric is exceedingly complicated — perhaps impossible — and that even if DHS could devise one, it wouldn’t be sound or just to keep 11 million undocumented immigrants in limbo for as long as it might take to limit crossings, reduce crime, improve property values, and so on and so on along the southwest border.


    • gn

      Totally agreed with Sec. Napolitano here.

  • MonieTalks

    Lawmaker complains about getting out of speeding ticket; trooper fired
    By Steve Bousquet

    A state trooper who said he was “cutting a break” to a speeding
    legislator has been fired because he decided instead to falsely cite the
    lawmaker for not having proof of car insurance.

    Trooper Charles
    Swindle, a six-year veteran of the Florida Highway Patrol, is appealing
    his March 15 firing and says the state highway patrol has an unwritten policy of not issuing tickets to lawmakers who set the patrol’s budget, a charge the agency hotly denies but which raises new questions about whether politicians get favored treatment on Florida’s highways.

    Swindle said he was “trying to be nice” last Nov. 19 when he spared Rep. Charles McBurney, R-Jacksonville, a $250 ticket for speeding on Interstate 10 in Madison as the lawmaker and his wife headed to Tallahassee in a Toyota with a special tag that identified him as a legislator.

    Using a radar gun, Swindle clocked McBurney going 87 in a 70 mph
    zone. He let the lawmaker go with a warning, fining him $10 for lacking
    proof of insurance, without asking for the proof that was in McBurney’s
    Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/2013/03/27/3310004/lawmaker-complains-about-getting.html#storylink=cpy

    • TyrenM

      Swindle. Says it all.

  • gn

    h/t GLH from last night’s open thread, had to bring this here:

    — -NYPD officer says he taunted boy, 13, during stop–

    – – -Police officers are being grilled about the New York Police
    Department’s practice of stopping, questioning and frisking people on
    street.Lawyers questioned two officers on Wednesday about stopping an
    innocent 13-year-old boy in Harlem in 2010. One admitted taunting the
    teen by telling him to stop “crying like a little girl.”

    The testimony came at a federal civil rights trial in Manhattan that
    began last week. A judge could order major changes to the nation’s
    largest police force…

    They don’t even see our kids as children. A 13 year old child stopped by two grown, clearly malicious and mean-spirited, gun-wielding men, of course he was scared and crying. They don’t even see us as people. Stop and frisk has a “success” rate of recovering guns last year which is quite literally miniscule.

    Last year, the police seized 780 guns through 685,724 stop-and-frisk encounters, meaning that officers made 879 stops for each gun found.

    That’s not even close to a 1% success rate. Collective punishment means that it’s perfectly okay to no longer distinguish between the guilty and innocent members of a race. Everyone should be defined by the minority of a race who are behaving poorly, and everyone should be punished, even children.

    • Miranda

      The media coverage of this trial has been abysmal.

      • gn

        Because it involves mainly black and brown victims, and there’s no way to purity troll Pres O about this story.

        • Miranda

          and it would mean saying something negative about fauxgressive hero Bloomberg.

      • GreenLadyHere

        Good MornTin’ Miranda —***BIG HUG*** :>)

        –***fist bump*** –“abysmal!”- —

        Sooo –lemme turn 2 the TRIALS that THEY R COVERIN’:–
        -***click** –Amanda Knox — -***click** —Jodi Arias — –***click** –Amanda Knox –***click** –Jodi Arias — — —***throws hands up*** —

        Good 2 C U Miranda. :>) – –

    • GreenLadyHere

      Good MornTin GN. ***BIG HUG*** :>)

      —***fist bump** —They don’t even see our kids as children.
      – – UTTER DISRESPECT ’cause THEY BLACK!!! —


      — -BLESS THAT CHILD – annnd — -“ALL OUR CHILDREN.” – -AMEN.

      Good 2 C U GN. :>)- –

  • Miranda

    Why are these men on the force at all?? They are sadistic creeps! The “prank” on the employee with a learning disability says it all about them.

    Family claims police brutality in lawsuit

    SOUTH BEND — A local family has filed a lawsuit against the city and the South Bend Police Department accusing officers of entering their home without a warrant and tasing and punching a 17-year-old boy in the home while he slept.

    Attorney John Ulmer filed the suit in state court last month on behalf of Dan and Vivian Franklin and their teenage son DeShawn, but the suit was moved to federal court last week.

    more here: http://www.southbendtribune.com/news/sbt-family-claims-police-brutality-in-lawsuit-20130327,0,7639911.story

    • gn

      The family accuses the officers of
      waking DeShawn by tasing him and punching him in the face, as he
      screamed for his mother, the lawsuit says.

      Imagine this kid’s parents having to helplessly listen to him scream for his mother while being hit, tased, and put in handcuffs for no reason. I hope they receive a substantial settlement.

  • Miranda

    Should We Really Teach Second-Graders to Attack Mass Shooters?
    Some schools are training kids to respond to potential gun violence with controversial tactics.

    Braden Kling, an eight-year-old from Middletown, Ohio, knows what to do. His school has prepared him for the moment of reckoning. “We have this big board and we hide behind that. If he comes in, we start throwing stuff,” he explains. “Pencils, chairs, boxes, books, markers. And then we escape.”

    In the aftermath of the massacre at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Connecticut, politicians and educators have debated fiercely about how our nation should protect school children—with some schools turning to controversial tactics. Soon after the National Rifle Association’s spokesman Wayne LaPierre proposedstationing armed guards in every school in America, an Ohio school board approved plans to arm janitors. South Dakota recently passed a law allowing teachers to pack heat in classrooms. A high school in suburban Chicago held a drill in which police fired blanks in the halls in order to give staff and students “some familiarity with the sound of gunfire.” Unsurprisingly, these kinds of measures have brought with them risks, accidents, and negative reactions.

    more here: http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2013/03/kids-fight-school-shooters-alice-newtown

    • TyrenM

      WTF? Let’s get more kids killed for pissing off already gone people with guns.

    • Admiral_Komack

      Yeah, right.
      Braden gets capped, Billy, Becky, and Jason will freeze with terror.

      • AxelFoley

        And Shanika, Tashanda and Daquan will be smart enough to play dead or tip out the room.

  • GreenLadyHere


    Republican Policies Result In 20%-32% of Kids In the Poorest Red States Living In Poverty

    — —America is home to a very active pro-life movement founded on the concept that all life is precious, and is synonymous with the concepts of right-to-life and culture-of-life the religious right and Republicans spend undue time on attempting to control women and protect single-celled organisms. However, at the end of gestation, the same movement spends unwarranted amounts of time and energy abandoning infants and children to poverty, hunger, and ill-health in a never-ending crusade to cut programs that ensure babies and children are mired in poverty and lack basic necessities of life making a mockery of their pro-life moniker.

    Republicans have developed a stellar record of perpetuating poverty,and are renowned for cutting safety nets for the poorest Americans while taking particular delight in promoting their cuts as common sense and crucial to protect future generations from crushing deficits. However, at the rate poverty among children is rising, future generations will be hard-pressed to survive, much less contribute to paying off Republicans’ debts. In a new study from First Focus and the Urban Institute, there are 6.2 million children living in poverty where at least one parent is unemployed, and the number rises to 12.1 million when considering that most of the parents are underemployed. Obviously, when parents are under, or unemployed, children are bound to live in stark poverty and suffer the effects of hunger, ill-health, and the likelihood of never escaping poverty in their lifetime.

    – –[P.S. — NOTE the PIC of hilary. humph!]

    • The reps don’t care and the parents are okay with it because Rush Limbaugh told them they didn’t need the evil gubmint’s help.

      • GreenLadyHere

        Good MornTin’ woody45 –***BIG HUG*** :>) —

        — **fist bump*** —“WHYCOME” u gotta –SPEAK TRUTH!! –He’s THEIR LEADER —RACIST annnd –ALL —geesh!

        Good 2 C U woody45. :>) –

  • GreenLadyHere

    PBOMB – —- ***sigh*** –UPDATE: —

    Mom and sister of accused baby killer De’Marquise Elkins still in jai
    —-No bond set for Karimah Elkins, 36, and daughter Sabrina Elkins, 19, on evidence tampering charge

    – — –RIHEP –“Little Antonio”—CONDOLENCES 2 ALL. AMEN. —

  • GreenLadyHere

    MEDIA Alert: – –MR. PRESIDENT/VP Biden 2 SPEAK on “GUN VIOLENCE” [In a few minutes 11:30 EST] – –

  • gn

    I tell you, the spidey-senses at this site are unparalleled. The daughter of the GA mother whose baby was shot is questioning her mother, namely whether her mother had the baby killed for insurance money. The daughter says her mother asked about that insurance money *the very night of the shooting.*


    Something is beyond not right here. eta: why was the baby’s life insured in the first place?

    • rikyrah

      you are not the only one. from the beginning, people have had problems with this case. it’s hanky as hell

      • gn

        hanky as hell is right. People were saying here yesterday that she had the baby cremated the day after he was shot. And was asking her daughter about an insurance payout the same night of the shooting? This is crazy. That was a beautiful baby too, RIP.

        • Miranda

          And that Saturday she already had the baby’s clothes and toys packed up for charity. I’m sorry, I know people grieve differently…but your toddler was shot dead in FRONT of you and I just don’t believe a sane mother would be even conscious right now. She would be sedated by a physician. The very day this happened, she was interviewed by the local news that night. THAT NIGHT…and her crying was completely fake. There is no other way to describe it. She was trying to cry and no tears were falling. There is more to this, I dont know what, but what I do know is this woman is not grief-stricken for her dead child.

          • gn

            Yeah, there’s more to this story with no doubt. Can’t claim to know what it is either, but the mother’s story and actions are shady. I didn’t know that about her having things packed for charity that quickly: so she and the baby are shot on Thursday; she’s asking her daughter whether the insurance people will cut a check soon on Thursday night; the baby is cremated on Friday; the baby’s belongings are packed and out of the house on Saturday. /MAJOR SIDE EYE

    • GreenLadyHere

      GN – — – -Humph! — – -BEYOND – –QUESTIONABLE!! – – –

      — -INSURANCE?? – [Wonder ifff she had INSURANCE on her 18 yo son who was killed??] —

      – – CREMATED that “dear one” — -the NEXT DAY?? –


      — — ***BIG – – side eye — raised eyebrows — –furrowed brow***


      P.S. —-Wonder ifff she’s waitin’ by the MAILBOX —4 the INSURANCE CHECK?? —

      • gn

        Seriously, for the baby’s sake, I hope anything hidden in this story comes out asap.

        • Word. To think that this poor, precious child’s demise may have been the result of greed….damn. *smh*

      • Tafr

        I want to know if she had insurance on the oldest kid as well. Maybe she got paid from that death and figured she could get paid again if something happened to the baby. Most parents are not thinking about their baby dying. You know a baby represents new life not death.

        • conlakappa

          There was a guy in Baltimore a few years back who kept taking out life insurance policies on relatives who then died soon after, including his baby, which was the coincidental tipoff that something wasn’t right. Maybe it’s the way certain hill folk deal with money issues?

    • Tafr

      Notice the daughter had the good sense to record the conversation.

      • gn

        Indeed, and weren’t there some stories about the baby’s father initially blaming the mother too?

        • Tafr

          I read that he was pissed that she walked the baby on that street. I also read he was briefly detained because he went off on her.

    • A parent gets life insurance on him/herself, not on their child.

      Yeah, something is definitely wrong with this situation.

      • gn

        Right? I mean, it’s not unheard of, but this family doesn’t strike me as particularly well-organized financially…this story is definitely not as clear-cut as presented initially, that’s for sure.

    • Guns3000

      That whole town is full unsophisticated and backwards folks. Just looking at the pics of the people involved you are not dealing with the sharpest tools in the box. But that doesn’t mean the lady who’s lost a child is culpable.

      • gn

        This is not a matter of sophistication, it’s a matter of the woman’s own daughter casting doubt on her mother’s story which I’m sorry, is increasingly bizarre. Not claiming to know with certainty what happened either way. I hope that the baby received a full autopsy and toxicology testing, and that whatever the truth is here will emerge.

        • Guns3000

          Fair enough she is a coo coo bird but that doesn’t explain the alleged shooter’s mother and auntie lying about his whereabouts. My point was we are dealing with a bunch of weirdos all over this case and the facts will come out.

          • gn

            Ditto re: fair enough; I take your points about the craziness all around too.

          • Aquagranny911

            Are we certain the Tia was lying? It seems a matter of “she said/she said” & who do you believe? Are there other independent witnesses who saw the young man shoot the baby?

            I’m just asking…& there is so much that we really don’t know. I just hope the investigation is thorough & fair & not just another case of “the black/brown guy did it” so they can quickly close the case.

  • Alma98


  • GreenLadyHere

    MR. PRESIDENT is ON NOW 11:56 EST/-8:56 PDST – –

  • Miranda

    Everyone knows the proper term is a woman’s “hoo-ha”

    Saying ‘Vagina’ During Biology Class Leads To Investigation Of Idaho Science Teacher

    Parents in Dietrich, Idaho, aren’t very happy with the way science teacher Tim McDaniel is teaching their children human anatomy.
    That is to say, they’re unhappy that he is teaching them human anatomy at all.

    In a formal complaint made against the 18-year Dietrich School veteran by at least four parents, McDaniel is chided for using the word “vagina” during a tenth-grade biology class on the human reproductive system.

    Among other complaints submitted to the school: McDaniel explained the biology of an orgasm, taught students about STDs and birth control, and showed a clip from An Inconvenient Truth, which led to a discussion about climate change.

    “I teach straight out of the textbook, I don’t include anything that the textbook doesn’t mention,” McDaniel told the Twin Falls Times-News. “But I give every student the option not attend this class when I teach on the reproductive system if they don’t feel comfortable with the material.”

    No student has ever opted out, McDaniel said.

    more here: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/2013/03/saying-vagina-investigation-idaho-science-teacher.php?ref=fpblg

    • Alma98

      I got nothing, ugh! Someone over Wonkette said maybe the parents prefer the term “down there”. lol

      • Tafr

        Yes because there is nothing sexier than hearing a grown man or woman say “touch me in my special place”

        • Alma98


    • conlakappa


      Wowsers. So this is the 21st century of Scopes? Nuts, I say.

    • I can’t with this puritanical bull.

      *takes latest edition of Vogue, chicken sammich, bottled water and Cool Ranch Doritos, and heads to The Bad Lounge*

      • Aquagranny911

        LOL! Save me a seat!

    • MsKitty

      And the rest of the world laughs at us yet again.

    • AxelFoley

      What, do they want her to call it “pussy” in class instead?

      • GreenLadyHere

        Seeeee- – –AxelFoley — — – – — -> —FOLLOW Sepia. SNACK/Magazine will B shared with U.– –LOL —

        —***BIG HUG** :>) — -Good 2 C U. :>) —

      • rikyrah


        • Miranda


      • Aquagranny911

        I’ll join you in the Lounge because anything I might say would be….

        Snacks & Hornitos are on me, double shot, no rocks, extra lime & salt!

        • conlakappa

          Ladygarden or naughtybits?

          • Aquagranny911

            Fan me with a brick! I’m having the vapors…

  • rikyrah

    How The Democrats Have Evolved

    Mar 28 2013 @ 11:56am

    In the video below various Democrats rail against marriage equality. Given her recent change of heart, Hillary Clinton’s 2004 speech is particularly jarring – but not surprising – to watch:

    I’m not so sure. But Kerry’s position was that of most of the Democratic pols and they were backed up through the 1990s by the Human Rights Campaign, who wanted nothing more than to kill this issue they deemed premature (while their number one goal back then, the Employment Non-Discrimination Act, remains unaccomplished). In some ways, I find the opportunism of the Clintons – who did more substantive harm to gay people in eight years than any other administration – more disgusting than the fundamentalist hostility. At least the Christianists were sincere.
    The Clintons have always been phonies and opportunists and for Bill Clinton to proclaim the sanctity of marriage and sign DOMA while cigar-fucking his intern tells you a lot about him. On no issue were they as shameless as on this one – portraying themselves as civil rights advocates while kicking those of us fighting for equality squarely in the groin.

    The former president still refuses to apologize for what he did to us. He cannot own it. But history will.


    • MsKitty

      I still think Sully is an ass, but he’s on point here. Hope not too many others are falling for the okey doke Bubba and Hillary are trying to pull.

    • AxelFoley

      But, gay white celebs just loved them some Clintons. Remember Elton John defending Hillary during the ’08 race?

      • MsKitty

        I’ve been a huge Elton John fan going way back, but that’s when I started giving him a sideways glance. Turned into a full blown SEOD when he sang at Rush Limbaugh’s most recent wedding. Seriously, dude?

      • Cuz he thinks Hillary is family. Yeah, I said it.

  • GreenLadyHere

    PBOMB – – —-WHA’ ??- – -I’M SORRY! — WAS there a TRIAL that DECLARED HIM INNOCENT?? — —

    – –Oscar Pistorius free to compete abroad after bail decision

    — —Judge relaxes bail restrictions and rules that athlete may travel
    internationally if he provides itinerary a week before departure

    – –Ohhhhh! I C – — -He YT! —Case closed – -by THEM. — -geesh!! – —

    What an INSULT 2 her MEMORY annnd HER FAMILY. –RIHEP. AMEN.

    • conlakappa

      That’s is turning out to be one messed-up Thursday, news wise. How foul.

      • GreenLadyHere

        conlakappa —***fist bump*** – – U! -AIN’T! -NEVA! –LIED! — SADLY. —

    • MsKitty

      And if ol’ Oscar just happens to compete in a meet in a country with no extradition, we’ll know what’s up.

      • GreenLadyHere

        HEEY MsKitty. ***BIG HUG** — –

        —– ***fist bump** — –SAD — -POINT! :>)

        —Check out WHERE he could have HIS NEXT RACE:

        What countries have no extradition treaty with south Africa? – – –humph!!

        WATCHIN’. . . . –Good 2 C U MsKitty. :>)

        • MsKitty

          Looking at that list, he could easily maintain his lifestyle in Beijing, Shanghai, Moscow, and Dubai. If the judge had any sense, those places would get an automatic no.

          • GreenLadyHere

            MsKitty.: – — -POINT! — – -YET –IMHO THAT judge[???] – – -is NOT EVEN gon look at this information. He’s already feelin’ GUILTY ’bout his first ruling. — -geesh!

            He has NO REGARD 4 that young lady/family. SAD! —

      • Lil’ Tink Tink think he slick.

      • rikyrah

        uh huh

  • Miranda

    Jamie Dupree ‏@jamiedupree1m
    Sens Jim Inhofe R-OK & Marco Rubio R-FL sign letter vowing to block start of Senate gun control debate

    • MsKitty

      You know, if the thought of 20 children gunned down in cold blood in the same amount of time it takes to microwave a bag of popcorn isn’t enough to jar our lawmakers into even discussing gun control, then I don’t want to see any crocodile tears from them when it happens in their communities…and it will at some point.


    • conlakappa

      Poor Rubio doesn’t know the extent he’s being used while in the craven pursuit of being top of the ticket in 2016. I hope enough money was left on his night stand to make it worth it.

    • The more I think about, the more I think Joe Madison is right: They need to show the pictures of the victims of Newtown.

      • conlakappa

        I completely agree. Gunfire and the results thereof are always represented as something the hero can just shake off. The only time I’ve ever seen it represented true to life is in Menace II Society. Otherwise? Character rubs side and declares, “no, I’m all right” while bleeding sexily. It rips bodies apart. I had the terrible experience of hearing shots hit a body and that was traumatizing enough for me.

        • Aquagranny911

          Many ago, a neighbor of mine shot her abusive husband. She called me first instead of the police. She emptied the gun…need I say any more? It is NOT a bit like TV or movies.

  • Miranda


    Report: Right-Wing Extremists Are ‘Highly Engaged’ With GOP On Twitter
    By Hayes Brown on Mar 28, 2013 at 1:15 pm

    A new report out Thursday finds that right-wing extremists on Twitter are “highly engaged” with the mainstream conservative movement and the Republican Party and highlights the role the GOP has to play in countering their more violent fans.

    The report — titled “Who Matters Online: Measuring influence, Evaluating Content and Countering Violent Extremism in Online Social Networks” — originally sought to examine the way that extremists use social media to interact among themselves, in this instance focusing on white nationalists’ use of Twitter. But throughout their investigation, the study’s authors, International Centre for the Study of Radicalisation associate fellow J.M. Berger and Bill Strathearn, inadvertently discovered something interesting.

    more here: http://thinkprogress.org/security/2013/03/28/1785301/right-wing-social-media-gop/

    • In other news water has been reported as wet.

  • Miranda

    Afternoon thread is up!

  • GreenLadyHere

    PBOMB – –THE BEST PART — -the nr(ACISTs) —RESPONSE — –

    – —What The Newly Released Newtown Massacre Documents Tell Us About Adam Lanza – –

    – – —Thursday morning, local police released previously embargoed police records about the Newtown, Connecticut shooter, Adam Lanza. The records disclosed that, in five minutes, Lanza was able to fire 155 shots, partly as a consequence of the numerous 30 round high-capacity magazines he was carrying.

    Most of the released documents were search warrants for Lanza’s car and home,which he shared with his gun-collecting mother (the weapons used at Newtown were taken from his mother’s stockpile). Put together, the findings in these warrants paint a disturbing picture of the arsenal available to Lanza:
    – 1 NRA certificate for Adam Lanza and 1 NRA training book.
    — – SNIP — –
    The NRA released a statement in response to the findings denying
    that either Adam Lanza or his mother Nancy were members:
    “There is no record of a member relationship between Newtown killer Adam Lanza, nor between Nancy Lanza, A. Lanza or N. Lanza with the National Rifle Association. Reporting to the contrary is reckless, false and defamatory.” Individuals who enroll in an NRA Basic Pistol Training are not required to be NRA members in all cases.

    — –LOL – – -THEY — -gettin’ — –SQUISHY– –HAH!

    –[-***waves @ conlakappa ***–ANOTHER THURSDAY –downer. Sorry. ***HUG**]

    • conlakappa

      Gosh, seriously! Soon after writing that, I and 2 others were nearly run over by someone driving a big Dodge truck, who then proceeded to berate us. How dare we cross in the crosswalk on a walk sign!!! I followed my usual practice in this part of town of walking in step with white men as they cross the street. Hey, people will usually give them the right of way, regardless of the race and/or gender of the driver. Not this time.