July 28, 2017

Thursday Open Thread: Historic Black Churches

After emancipation, Northern churches founded by free blacks, as well as those of predominantly white denominations, sent missions to the South to minister to newly freed slaves, including to teach them to read and write. For instance, Bishop Daniel Payne of the AME Church returned to Charleston, South Carolina in April 1865 with nine missionaries. He organized committees, associations, and teachers to reach freedmen throughout the countryside. In the first year after the war, the African Methodist Episcopal (AME) Church gained 50,000 congregants.

By the end of Reconstruction, AME congregations existed from Florida to Texas. Their missioners and preachers had brought more than 250,000 new adherents into the church. While it had a northern base, the church was heavily influenced by this growth in the South and incorporation of many members who had different practices and traditions.[18] Similarly, within the first decade, the independent AME Zion church, founded in New York, also gained tens of thousands of Southern members. These two independent black denominations attracted the newest members in the South.

In 1870 in Jackson, Tennessee, with support from white colleagues of the Methodist Episcopal Church, South, more than 40 black Southern ministers, all freedmen and former slaves, met to establish the Southern-based Colored Methodist Episcopal (CME) Church (now Christian Methodist Episcopal Church), founded as an independent branch of Methodism. They took their mostly black congregations with them. They adopted the Methodist Doctrine and elected their first two bishops, William H. Miles of Kentucky and Richard H. Vanderhorst of South Carolina. Within three years, from a base of about 40,000, they had grown to 67,000 members, and more than te times that many in 50 years.

At the same time, black Baptist churches, well-established before the Civil War, continued to grow and add new congregations. With the rapid growth of black Baptist churches in the South, in 1895 church officials organized a new Baptist association, the National Baptist Convention. This was the unification of three national black conventions, organized in 1880 and the 1890s. It brought together the areas of mission, education and overall cooperation. Despite founding of new black conventions in the early and later 20th century, this is still the largest black religious organization in the United States. These churches blended elements from underground churches with elements from freely established black churches.

The postwar years were marked by a separatist impulse as blacks exercised the right to move and gather beyond white supervision or control. They developed black churches, benevolent societies, fraternal orders and fire companies. In some areas, they moved from farms into towns, as in middle Tennessee, or to cities that needed rebuilding, such as Atlanta. Black churches were the focal points of black communities, and their members’ quickly seceding from white churches demonstrated their desire to manage their own affairs independently of white supervision. It also showed the prior strength of the “invisible church” hidden from white eyes.

Black preachers provided leadership, encouraged education and economic growth, and were often the primary link between the black and white communities. The black church established and/or maintained the first black schools and encouraged community members to fund these schools and other public services. For most black leaders, the churches always were connected to political goals of advancing the race. There grew to be a tension between black leaders from the North and people in the South who wanted to run their churches and worship in their own way.

Since the male hierarchy denied them opportunities for ordination, middle-class women in the black church asserted themselves in other ways: they organized missionary societies to address social issues. These societies provided job training and reading education, worked for better living conditions, raised money for African missions, wrote religious periodicals, and promoted Victorian ideals of womanhood, respectability, and racial uplift.

Daniel Alexander Payne (February 24, 1811 – November 2, 1893) was an American bishop, educator, college administrator and author. A major shaper of the African Methodist Episcopal Church (AME), Payne stressed education and preparation of ministers and introduced more order in the church, becoming its sixth bishop and serving for more than four decades (1852–1893) as well as becoming one of the founders of Wilberforce University in Ohio in 1856. In 1863 the AME Church bought the college and chose Payne to lead it; he became the first African-American president of a college in the United States and served in that position until 1877.

By quickly organizing AME missionary support of freedmen in the South after the Civil War, Payne gained 250,000 new members for the AME Church during the Reconstruction era. Based first in Charleston, he and his missionaries founded AME congregations in the South down the East Coast to Florida and west to Texas. In 1891 Payne wrote the first history of the AME Church, a few years after publishing his memoir.

Daniel Payne was born free in Charleston, South Carolina, on February 24, 1811, of African, European and Native American descent. Daniel stated “as far as memory serves me my mother was of light-brown complexion, of middle stature and delicate frame. She told me that her grandmother was of the tribe of Indians known in the early history of the Carolinas as the Catawba Indians.” He also stated that he descended from the Goings family, who were a well known free colored/Native American family. His father was one of six brothers who served in the Revolutionary War and his paternal grandfather was an Englishmen.  His parents London and Martha Payne were part of the “Brown Elite” of free blacks in the city. Both died before he reached maturity. While his great-aunt assumed Daniel’s care, the Minors’ Moralist Society assisted his early education. Payne was raised in the Methodist Church like his parents. He also studied at home, teaching himself mathematics, physical science, and classical languages. In 1829, at the age of 18, he opened his first school.

After the Nat Turner Rebellion of 1831, South Carolina and other southern states passed legislation restricting the rights of free people of color and slaves. They enacted a law on April 1, 1835, which made teaching literacy to free people of color and slaves illegal and subject to fines and imprisonment. With the passage of this law, Payne had to close his school.

In May 1835, Payne sailed from Charleston to Philadelphia in search of further education. Declining the Methodists’ offer, which was contingent on his going on a mission to Liberia, established as a colony for free blacks from the United States, Payne studied at the Lutheran Theological Seminary at Gettysburg in Pennsylvania. Payne never worked as a Lutheran priest. One source claims he had to drop out of school because of problems with his eyesight.Another source claimed no congregation called him and the Lutheran Church told him to work through the Methodist Episcopal Church.

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  • Kennymack1971

    Good morning POU Family.

    Y’all….Y’ALL
    https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/865173176854204416

    • rikyrah

      Morning KennyM

    • Miranda

      Once the meds were off in the night, he wakes up in a rage and they can’t stop him. He sitting on the toilet mad-tweeting. LOL

      https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/865169927644340224

      • jds09

        The mis-spelling adds just the right touch.

        • Miranda

          That really is like the icing on the cake. LOL

  • JojoRaze

    Good morning POU fam. I’m here everyday lurking and I have so enjoyed WashPo’s reporting.

    This interview of the man, Matthew Miller, a DOJ rep under PBO, who predicted the Comey memo is very instructive. Comey is a showboater but he always saves receipts to make himself look good. He probably thinks, rightfully, that he put Trump in the WH and Trump disrespected him by firing him so the gloves are off.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/05/17/the-guy-who-predicted-comeys-memos-thinks-comey-may-be-trying-to-take-down-president-trump/?tid=pm_politics_pop&utm_term=.a4b07dd901b

    Q: A lot of this could come down to how much Comey wants to fight this battle with the president. Is there anything in his past that leads you to believe he would willingly and proactively want that fight?

    MILLER: Yes. Look, there’s one thing I agree with the president on: That Comey is a showboat. You just look at his actions in the [Hillary] Clinton case, where he made himself the central player when there was no reason for him to be the central player. That aside, his entire history shows that he likes to be at the center of attention. You look at the Ashcroft bedside incident where that unfolded in one of the most dramatic congressional hearings in history. And it was pretty clear at the time that that hearing had been pretty well planned by Comey and by Preet Bharara — to uncover real wrongdoing by the Bush administration — but also to present Comey in a very favorable light.

    Q: Are there other instances in recent years, whether with Comey or anybody else, where these contemporary notes were really important?

    MILLER: There’s one involving Comey that I actually had in mind when I sent that tweet last week.In 2005, the Bush administration was authorizing — or reauthorizing — waterboarding and other torture tactics. And Comey had signed off on it as a deputy attorney general. But in addition to signing off on it, he had a meeting with Attorney General [Alberto R.] Gonzales and laid out why he thought it was a bad idea for the government to torture people and how it would make the government look bad and call into question the credibility of everyone involved. And not only did he have the meeting, but he memorialized it in a meeting with his chief of staff, where he said exactly what he had laid out to the attorney general

    We know this because in 2009, when the Office of Professional Responsibility at the DOJ was investigating this issue and the New York Times wrote a story about it, magically Comey’s email to his chief of staff appeared in that story — and made its way to OPR. I was at DOJ at the time, and what it told me was Comey had the presence of mind to write the email in the first place, print a copy of it when he left the department, sit on it for four years and be ready to give it to a reporter when someone questioned why he had signed off on torture. … I remember watching it and thinking, “This is very instructive of how Comey operates inside a bureaucracy.”

    • rikyrah

      Uh huh
      Uh huh

    • rikyrah

      Morning JoJo

    • Miranda

      So Comey’s ego might save us all??

    • BoomerGal

      Morning, Jojo!

    • jds09

      Okay, I’v got some mixed feelings about this. I’m letting this sink in. Comey is 6’8′ and he still feels the need to make himself the center of attention. 45 is a toddler and Comey may be a middle-schooler.

      SMH

      • sagittarius

        I’m thinking the same thing, jds. Comey is a higher version of Dolt 45 in terms of self centeredness.

    • nellcote

      an interview with someone else who has known Comey since before he came to DC said he only started with the memos/notes for himself when he came to DC. seems like a prescient act of self preservation.

  • Miranda

    Roger Ailes died???

    • Kennymack1971

      Looks like his wife has confirmed it. The man who did more than anybody to wreck our political discourse and dumb down our news has passed on.

    • rikyrah

      Yep

    • GOVCHRIS1988

      And this is me acting like I’m crying, but really laughing.

      https://media.giphy.com/media/9idmMMOJlD9kc/giphy.gif

      • BoomerGal

        LOL!!!

    • The Shy Lurker

      WHAAAAT??? *smirk*

  • Miranda

    In case you missed it from last night, the Dept of Ed released their budget plans and its even worse than first thought:

    Matt Murphy‏ @MattMurph
    DeVos cutting $11B from public schools and giving a large chunk of it to charter and religious schools.
    ____________
    Funding for college work-study programs would be cut in half, public-service loan forgiveness would end and hundreds of millions of dollars that public schools could use for mental health, advanced coursework and other services would vanish under a Trump administration plan to cut $10.6 billion from federal education initiatives, according to budget documents obtained by The Washington Post.

    The administration would channel part of the savings into its top priority: school choice. It seeks to spend about $400 million to expand charter schools and vouchers for private and religious schools, and another $1 billion to push public schools to adopt choice-friendly policies.
    more here: https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/trumps-first-full-education-budget-deep-cuts-to-public-school-programs-in-pursuit-of-school-choice/2017/05/17/2a25a2cc-3a41-11e7-8854-21f359183e8c_story.html?hpid=hp_hp-more-top-stories_edbudget-330pm%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.45be7ebb0d32

    • Kennymack1971

      A reminder that even though the house of cards is crumbling these clowns will still do real damage to the people.

      • jds09

        I’m hoping she will get the same kind of push back that Trumpcare got.

  • GOVCHRIS1988

    Well, somebody is burning in hell today. I wonder who it is?

  • Miranda

    There was a time when working for a presidential administration in the White House was your ticket to all kinds of great opportunities. Now? not so much.
    ——————————-
    The worst job in Washington right now: Working for Trump

    “mid-level aides have started contacting consultants, shopping their résumés. And at least one senior staffer has begun privately talking to friends about what a post-White House job would look like, according to two people close the staffer.”
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/the-worst-job-in-washington-right-now-working-for-trump/2017/05/17/a3d9ec00-3b17-11e7-a058-ddbb23c75d82_story.html?hpid=hp_hp-top-table-main_whitehouse-xx-pm-1%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.a161784ccaab

    • Town

      “And at least one senior staffer has begun privately talking to friends
      about what a post-White House job would look like, according to two
      people close the staffer.”

      I would assume stocking groceries at Walmart or an Amazon work at home opportunity?

      • Miranda

        They can probably sell life insurance at some GOPer’s insurance agency in Alexandria, VA. LOL

  • Kennymack1971
  • Miranda

    HAHAHAHA…..they were so proud to say he acted calmly last night….sure, after the valium he was calm. This morning though, he squashed ALL that.
    ——————
    How Trump learned of the special counsel

    The president learned of Mr. Rosenstein’s decision around 5:35 p.m. on Wednesday when the White House counsel, Donald F. McGahn II, walked into the Oval Office to tell him.

    Mr. Trump, who was looking through papers, reacted calmly but defiantly at first, according to two people familiar with the events, saying he wanted to “fight back.” Realizing the seriousness of the situation, he quickly summoned his staff, including Sean Spicer, the press secretary; Michael Dubke, the communications director; Mr. Trump’s son-in-law, Jared Kushner; Reince Priebus, the chief of staff; Hope Hicks, a longtime aide; Kellyanne Conway, a senior adviser; and Stephen K. Bannon, his chief strategist.

    Most of those gathered recommended that the president adopt a conciliatory stance, and release a statement accepting Mr. Rosenstein’s decision and embracing a swift investigation that would clear the cloud of suspicion hovering over the West Wing.

    Mr. Kushner — who had urged Mr. Trump to fire James B. Comey, the F.B.I. director — was one of the few dissenting voices, urging the president to counterattack, according to two senior administration officials. After a brief discussion, however, calmer heads prevailed, and Mr. Trump’s staff huddled over a computer just outside the Oval Office to draft the statement that was ultimately released, asserting the president’s innocence and determination to move on.

    By the end of the process, Mr. Trump was calm, grimly determined to soldier on and uncharacteristically noncombative, according to people close to the president.
    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/18/us/politics/trump-fbi-mueller-rosenstein.html?_r=1

    • BoomerGal

      Valium! It’s what’s for breakfast!

    • Kennymack1971

      He was medicated. But oh in the early morning hour when the drugs wear off and he reaches for his phone….

    • What’s up with Kushner tho? He’s always pushing 45 to attack.

      • jds09

        IMO, Kushner’s daddy is a slightly more competent version of 45 (although he did some federal time), Jared has been doing this dance his entire life.

        I’m no pychologist, I just play one on TV.

  • Kennymack1971

    Who is this coon? He wants an investigation into Benghazi?

    https://twitter.com/thejoshuablog/status/865192061422542850

    • GOVCHRIS1988

      I don’t know, but that black ass raggedy nigguh needs a shape up.

      • Miranda

        In the worst way….but no self-respecting brutha probably inclined to do it right for this coon. He probably walks into the barber shop and all talking ceases.

      • Kennymack1971

        LMAO I knew if you saw that you was getting his ass about that cut…

        • GOVCHRIS1988

          I’m just lookin at the shit. These self loathing ass coons have not gone to black barbers in a while. They ALL lookin like they were on a plantation in Mississippi in 1823.

        • Admiral_Komack

          Fox must have had this fool on speed dial.
          He looks like he JUST rolled out of bed.

    • Miranda

      Who dis confused self-hating kneegrow?

    • TyrenM

      Don’t Be Cruel era Bobby Brown wants his hair style back.

      • Miranda

        HAHAHAHAHAHA

      • Kennymack1971

        Damn it….DAMN IT MAN LMAO!!!!

        *turns on Every Little Step*

      • BoomerGal

        Good one, Tyren! LOL!!!!

      • Damn it man!

      • GOVCHRIS1988
    • jziglar

      They did 7 investigations and found no wrong doing. But there were recommendations for increased security. They really sound stupid pushing this nonsense. And this coon better hope he saves up his money because Fox throw away sellouts when they feel they no longer serve any purpose. Example: Stacey Dash.

  • BoomerGal

    Good Morning, POU! Just a lil brighter today!

  • Miranda

    Sigh….I knew she was going to be acquitted by how they waited to announce the verdict.
    https://twitter.com/Fusion/status/865054401026703360

    • Kennymack1971

      The disgusting part is that we knew this would happen and aren’t even surprised. I don’t want to hear shit from Mayo Nation.

      • BoomerGal

        We’re gonna get tired one day.

    • The Shy Lurker

      I guess that “60 Minutes” feature was effective.

      FUCK!!

    • I’m so sick of this shit.

    • MsKitty

      Sigh. Targets on our backs. Always.

  • Miranda

    Yall…………….I guess the GOP meeting on the NIGHT of PBO’s inauguration in 2008 to discuss ruining him was just “joking” – they joke that way…the Kevin McCarthy way I guess.
    https://twitter.com/TuckerCarlson/status/864637860166725632

    • BoomerGal

      Man, STFU!

    • Kennymack1971

      Listen up you steady failing upward motherfucker.

      We have ALL the receipts from Jan 20, 2009 on forward.

      Every non scandal, instance of obstruction, every episode of open disrespect of President Obama and his family.

      Shut your whining ass up…bitch.

    • Town

      White guys named “Tucker” are guaranteed assholes.

  • Miranda

    Oh boy…………look, we’ll have to take up a collection before I go to the grocery store to put snacks in the lounge. WAY WAY WAY too much fuckery and w’ree gonna be going in and out and grabbing snacks and drinks ALL DAY AGAIN.
    https://img.clipartfest.com/7b5639c5f39094a569f05e46e6e2c0b9_collection-plate-offering-plate-clip-art_400-225.png

    • BoomerGal

      I need change! LOL!!!

      • sagittarius

        Girl, you a mess! Hollaring!

    • Kennymack1971

      I’m rolling by the store what y’all want?

      • Miranda

        Bring back some of those Vienna Fingers cookies, I like those.

      • Nutter Butters, please!

      • MsKitty

        Pita chips and sriracha hummus. I gotta at least try to be healthy.

      • jds09

        30 chicken wings, split evenly between lemon pepper and original with blue chees dipping sauce, veggies on the side, french onion dip with ruffles (not regular chips) and some flavored mineral water.

        Thanks

        I’ve been told I’m high maintenance. What can I say. I’m sharing my wings, btw.

      • GOVCHRIS1988

        A bottle of Ripple, some paper cups, and some zig zags.

        • BoomerGal

          LOL!!! Come sit by me!

      • Pick me up a copy of Jet.

    • TyrenM

      I got 5 on it.

  • jds09

    Good morning POU Fam!

    • MsKitty

      Morning jds

  • Miranda

    I fell out laughing at this in the replies..it’s funny cuz its true.
    Ron Barber‏ @rpb3c 2m2 minutes ago
    Seems like the women get the better end of the deal in this one particular case.
    https://twitter.com/drewharwell/status/865192481901740033

    • GOVCHRIS1988

      I get the feeling Luke Bryan, Garth Brooks, Brad Paisley and Blake Shelton are cracking up right now.

      • Miranda

        And Keith Urban too.

      • MsKitty

        And Tim McGraw is practically busting a gut.

    • nellcote

      wonder how much he’s being paid.

  • Miranda
    • Dayum!

    • MsKitty

      Alrighty then.

    • Kennymack1971

      Welp.

    • isonprize

      DAAYYYYYYYYYYYUM….

  • Miranda

    You can almost see the tear soaked phone that Sean Hannity is blubbering over while he love-tweets about Ailes right now. He is so in the fetal position sobbing hysterically.
    https://twitter.com/seanhannity/status/865195686551277570

    • BoomerGal

      LOL!!!!

    • MsKitty

      Bless his heart. It’s kinda hard to kick somebody’s ass in eternity when Beelzebub decides to make you his bottom bitch for shits and giggles so you can be on the receiving end of the vile treatment of women you engaged in while you were here.

      Just sayin’

      • nellcote

        you make me want to believe in an afterlife LOL

  • Miranda
  • Miranda

    Reuters said “we GOTS to get in on this”
    ———————–
    Exclusive: Trump campaign had at least 18 undisclosed contacts with Russians: sources
    Thu May 18, 2017 | 7:19am EDT

    Michael Flynn and other advisers to Donald Trump’s campaign were in contact with Russian officials and others with Kremlin ties in at least 18 calls and emails during the last seven months of the 2016 presidential race, current and former U.S. officials familiar with the exchanges told Reuters.

    The previously undisclosed interactions form part of the record now being reviewed by FBI and congressional investigators probing Russian interference in the U.S. presidential election and contacts between Trump’s campaign and Russia.

    Six of the previously undisclosed contacts described to Reuters were phone calls between Sergei Kislyak, Russia’s ambassador to the United States, and Trump advisers, including Flynn, Trump’s first national security adviser, three current and former officials said.

    Conversations between Flynn and Kislyak accelerated after the Nov. 8 vote as the two discussed establishing a back channel for communication between Trump and Russian President Vladimir Putin that could bypass the U.S. national security bureaucracy, which both sides considered hostile to improved relations, four current U.S. officials said.

    more here: http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-russia-contacts-idUSKCN18E106

  • Miranda

    And this is why any hopes they’ll put country before party is just plain silly…because they would sacrifice their own kids to try and put this country back to 1855.
    —————–
    Trump scandals threaten GOP agenda

    Investigations and subpoenas will eat into Congress’ time, and some Republicans question whether the president will be an effective salesman for their priorities.
    05/18/2017 05:16 AM EDT

    Republicans’ long-held dreams of tweaking Medicaid, repealing Obamacare and overhauling the tax code appear in more jeopardy than ever as scandal and investigations beset President Donald Trump’s White House.

    Some Republicans fear that subpoenas and congressional inquiries will swamp the time they need to pass a health care or tax bill in 2017 — not to mention renegotiate NAFTA, unify behind a $1 trillion infrastructure plan or build that border wall.

    more here: http://www.politico.com/story/2017/05/18/trump-scandals-threaten-gop-agenda-238531

    • jziglar

      They’ve shown an inability to get much done anyway so it wasn’t like the scandals were stopping so much action. There are only so many legislative days on the calendar so the scandals and investigations will hurt them. Which is good for America.

  • MsKitty

    Morning rikyrah

  • MsKitty
    • Miranda

      Only took Reince 2 hours to figure it out? LOL

  • MsKitty
  • Miranda

    Bourdain: No interest in sharing meal with Trump
    05/18/17 09:28 AM EDT

    There will be no reservation necessary for a meal between Anthony Bourdain and President Trump — the chef says he’s uninterested in breaking bread with the commander-in-chief.

    “I can’t see the point,” Bourdain told the New York Daily News in a Thursday story, when asked if he’d chow down with Trump.

    Last year, then-President Obama appeared on Bourdain’s CNN show, “Parts Unknown.” The pair shared a meal in Hanoi, dining on a rice noodle dish called bun cha and guzzling beer.

    But Bourdain expressed little interest in feasting with the new president.
    “He only talks about himself and he’s only interested in himself,” Bourdain, 60, said of Trump.
    http://thehill.com/blogs/in-the-know/in-the-know/334019-bourdain-no-interest-in-sharing-meal-with-trump

    • Kennymack1971

      Nobody likes him. His wife doesn’t want to be with him, I don’t even think people who are supposed to be his friends like him.

      • rikyrah

        This is even worse than Willard. And, I didn’t think that it could get worse than Willard.

  • MsKitty
  • Miranda

    Yo, Kennymack…when you going to the store? Imma need those cookies real soon…………..gonna turn on VHI Soul while I wait. LOL
    ——————–
    Fox & Friends hosts tearfully eulogize Roger Ailes: ‘He saved this country by starting the Fox News channel’

    • Kennymack1971

      In there now… stocking up on some Hennessy too. We’re going to need it for all these conservative tears.

    • GOVCHRIS1988

  • MsKitty
  • MsKitty
    • Kennymack1971

      Welp.

    • isonprize

      Well, well, well. Even a broken clock is right twice a day. LOLOLOL

    • rikyrah

      LOL

  • Kennymack1971

    Dear white conservatives,

    When you pathetically try to make RussiaGate the same as the racist nothing burger that was/is birtherism… https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/3a6ba26209b9a7d235279851444a9c68d44d91481e08be0153898257b1778727.gif

    • jziglar

      I’ve seen some of them trotting that out on twitter. What a bunch of bullshit. And they have a lot of nerve when these same people were laughing it up with the Birther nonsense. These people are straight up trash.

  • Miranda

    I’m finally reading this full story…this fool never wanted to be president and if there was any way he could step down and in his mind, it not look bad, he’d do so in a heartbeat.
    ————————
    In recent days, Mr. Trump has groused to several friends that he is not looking forward to leaving his new White House cocoon for high-profile, high-pressure meetings with dozens of world leaders in unfamiliar settings.

    At one point, he barked at an aide that he thought his first tour abroad should be only about half as long. He will have to abandon his well-known preference for sleeping in his own bed (or in one at the hotels or golf resorts he owns) as he hops between Saudi Arabia, Israel, Belgium, Italy and the Vatican — all places without a Trump-branded property.
    https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/865207878046674944

    • Kennymack1971

      This idiot really thought he could approach this job like the character he played on The Apprentice. He’d play the role of master of the universe business exec and his underlings would handle all the boring governance stuff that never interested him. He wanted the deference but none of the work. Now that reality has hit he’s not happy. He knows he’s not not fit for this job and isn’t happy in it but his massive ego and unbelievable stupidity won’t let him quit. What a train wreck.

  • MsKitty

    Dr. Ernie is staying busy. He got a side gig too.

    https://twitter.com/ErnestMoniz/status/865214117690454016

    • Town

      Hair still laid.

      • isonprize

        #LAIDT !! lololol

    • rikyrah

      Yes

  • sagittarius

    Morning Fam,

    I hope everyone is engaging in self-care. 117 comments before 10:00 a.m. CT? My word, it’s gonna be on and poppin’ today.

    And yes, I did see the news that the devil came for Ailes. Umph, umphm, umph!

    • Admiral_Komack

      I’ll be dropping by The Bad Lounge later, dropping off supplies (cabernet sauvignon, moscato. scotch, etc).

      • sagittarius

        Afternoon Admiral,

        Don’t forget the Talenti – Black Cherry, Vanilla Caramel or Belgian Chocolate works for me!

        • Admiral_Komack

          Got it.

  • Kennymack1971

    Another episode of white folks just GOTTA be white….
    https://twitter.com/jodiecongirl/status/865213852039999488

  • Miranda

    ‘People are in meltdown mode.’ Inside the GOP donor class panic about Trump
    MAY 17, 2017 4:48 PM

    Pangs of fear and frustration are rippling through the Republican donor and operative classes as Donald Trump’s self-inflicted wounds threaten to fully derail the GOP legislative agenda and tarnish the party’s brand headed into the midterms.

    At a Miami donor retreat and at a high-powered Washington dinner, on Capitol Hill and at political firms across the country, Republican donors and operatives this week watched the barrage of bad headlines about Trump with a mixture of awe, angst and anger, worrying about the political implications for their Republican majorities—and about the legal implications for the president.

    more here: http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/nation-world/national/article151100257.html

    • Kennymack1971

      Awwwww so the dirty money ain’t getting the return on investment y’all thought it would? Good. Let his bloated orange ass take you all down.

      • Miranda

        Yesterday there was a lot of whining on CNBC about the stocks dropping amid the revelation there will probably be no “tax reform” or movement on Trump’s “agenda” – which basically means the screwing over of America is put on hold and that upsets the “market”.

        Fuck these people.

  • isonprize

    The shade is beautiful in this display. B.E.A.U.T.I.F.U.L. #bookdisplayersROCK #LibrariansROCK

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/dd1d57eacc8c74cc6788400f0cab762f849fa643535c31be9a6c52730b17de5b.jpg

  • sagittarius

    I knew I shouldn’t have stopped by this early… I got work to do, and y’all going for wings, Henny and nutter butters at 10:00 a.m.. Well, it IS after 5:00 p.m. someplace on the planet, so carry on. I will be back later.

  • MsKitty

    I’m amused at all the conservatives on Twitter in their feels because folks aren’t faking the funk about how they feel about Ailes, dead or not.

    “It’s just hateful, and it’s piling on a family who is grieving.”*

    *(unless it’s the family of Seth Rich, in which case we don’t care)

    • Miranda

      They can miss me with their holier-than-thou whining. These same folks won’t let Vince Foster’s family rest, have aided and abetted the torture of the families of Sandy Hook, spit all kinds of evil at Trayvon’s parents…but think we need to be respectful of a man that made sure all of what I just mentioned was front and center on his network.

      Lawd……………
      http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/2012/10/testing-me.gif

    • Kennymack1971

      See…. I was prepared not to say shit and keep it moving but these conservative tears over no one on the left wanting to reverence a serial sexual harasser and general all around pig who ruined our political discourse and turned cable news into a pile of split screen dogshit…yeah fuck that guy and all the RWers that enabled him.

    • jziglar

      These are the same vile people who were dancing on the grave of Ted Kennedy when he died. And I bet you when Jimmy Carter dies they won’t be totally “respectful”. A lot of these people have never shown respect for others or their families so they can spare us with the BS hypocrisy.

  • Kennymack1971

    Ruh roh raggy…. somebody’s feeling the heat..
    https://twitter.com/JakeSherman/status/865222709768335360

    • isonprize

      Wow!!! Damn. Ruh roh, indeed.

    • Miranda

      He is so caught up in this…..we shall soon find out how much.

    • Something, something
      Something, something just ain’t riiiiiiight!

    • MsKitty

      Never too early to start working on a plea deal.

    • Admiral_Komack

      “Well, since Ailes is dead, my job prospects are fucked.”

    • nellcote
    • Miranda

      *grabbing my extra pillow and comfy blanket*

    • Kennymack1971

      *setting up the big green egg to cook the steaks and chicken*

  • Miranda

    Is Flynn his dope man? What?
    ——————–
    As investigators circled Flynn, he got a message from Trump: Stay strong
    Michael Isikoff Chief Investigative Correspondent
    Yahoo News May 18, 2017

    Late last month, fired National Security Adviser Michael Flynn—under investigation by federal prosecutors, with his lawyer seeking immunity for him to testify to Congress–met with a small group of loyalists at a restaurant in the northern Virginia suburbs.

    Saddled with steep legal bills, Flynn wanted to reconnect with old friends and talk about potential future business opportunities. But one overriding question among those present were his views on the president who had fired him as national security advisor.

    Flynn left little doubt about the answer. Not only did he remain loyal to President Trump, he indicated he and the president were still in communication. “I just got a message from the president to stay strong,” Flynn said after the meal was over, according to two sources who are close to Flynn and are familiar with the conversation, which took place on April 25.

    The comment came at the end of an especially difficult day for Flynn when his legal woes had appeared to deepen: two congressmen, House Oversight Committee Chairman Jason Chaffetz, R-Utah, and ranking Democrat Elijah Cummings, D-Md., after reviewing classified Pentagon documents, had just accused Flynn of failing to disclose foreign income from Russia and Turkey when he sought to renew his security clearance.

    The sources who spoke to Yahoo News say Flynn did not indicate how Trump had sent the message—whether a written note, a text message, a phone call or some other method. (The White House did not respond to a request for comment.) But the fact that the two men have stayed in contact could raise additional questions about the president’s reported request to former FBI Director James Comey to shut down a federal investigation into the retired Army general.

    more here: https://www.yahoo.com/news/investigators-circled-flynn-got-message-trump-stay-strong-145442727.html?soc_src=mail&soc_trk=ma

    • Kennymack1971

      What in the hell does Flynn have on him? That’s the key to this shit…

    • Worldwatcher7

      Trump is trying to keep Flynn from flipping on him .

  • Miranda
    • Kennymack1971

      Mannnnnn…. what’s the deal?

      • Miranda

        It’s been 118 days…that’s all.

    • Alma98

      hmmm…..

  • MsKitty

    Morning Alma

    • Alma98

      Morning MsKitty

  • MsKitty
  • MsKitty
  • nellcote
  • nellcote
    • Miranda

      Perfect.

  • nellcote
  • Kennymack1971

    Man I am hollering on Twitter watching the RWNJs get slapped down trying to paint Dolt 45 as a victim re: RussiaGate. The Tweetfam kept ALL the receipts and are giving no fucks.

    • Miranda

      The receipts are filed in date order, categorized and color-coded for quick and easy retrieval.

  • Miranda

    HAHA…yeah, because THAT’S the problem
    ————————
    Trump weighs downsizing Spicer’s public role

    Several officials say Spicer is no longer expected to do a daily, on-camera briefing after Trump’s foreign trip.
    05/18/2017 09:56 AM EDT

    President Donald Trump is considering scaling back White House press secretary Sean Spicer’s public role, according to several officials familiar with the president’s thinking, as Trump also weighs a broader shakeup of his communications shop in the wake of several scandals.

    The press secretary, who has turned into a household name over the past five months and garnered sky-high television ratings for his daily press briefings, has also drawn the ire of the president. He is no longer expected to do a daily, on-camera briefing after Trump’s foreign trip, the officials said.

    The briefings have become one of the most dreaded parts of the president’s day, and Trump has told allies and aides he doesn’t want Spicer, who has developed a belligerent persona from behind the podium, publicly defending and explaining the message anymore, officials added.

    more here: http://www.politico.com/story/2017/05/18/will-sean-spicer-be-fired-238548

  • Miranda

    Maaaaaan, it’s ALL coming out.
    —————
    U.S. spies reportedly heard a Russian military intelligence officer bragging about his organization targeting Hillary Clinton in May 2016.
    The officer told a colleague that GRU would cause havoc in America’s presidential election that year, Time reported Thursday.

    The officer reportedly described the GRU intelligence agency’s effort as retribution for what Russian President Vladimir Putin considered Clinton’s campaign against him while serving as secretary of State.
    https://twitter.com/thehill/status/865229022384590849

    • Kennymack1971

      Oh shit….. somebody make sure we got enough Sweet Baby Ray’s BBQ sauce while I’m at the store.

      • Is that better than Stubbs Smoky Mesquite?

        • GOVCHRIS1988

          My Honey Sweet Rufus Teague is pretty good, tho.

      • sagittarius

        Nah – Curt’s Boss Sauce will make you get your ass whipped for slapping an elder!

  • lamh
    • Miranda

      WOW……what a brave young man.

  • 7thangel

    roger ailes dead?

    i thought i smelled less sulfur when i woke up

  • GreenLadyHere

    – –Good Thursday MornTin’ PBOMB♥/POU FAM♥- – -:>) **BIG HUG** :>) The Works of Bishop Dr. DANIEL ALEXANDER PAYNE♥- -R Soo INSPIRATIONAL Both IN annnnd OUT if the Church. :>) Thank U PBOMB♥– -:>)

    — -☺https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51-cYgyGBtL._SY344_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg

    – – – –Co-FOUNDER♥– – –one of the founders of Wilberforce University in Ohio in 1856.– –

    — ☻http://dapcdc.org/wp-content/themes/dapcdc/images/logo.png
    — – – – His Works LIVE ON. .– — –they organized missionary societies to address social issues. These societies provided job training and reading education, worked for better
    living conditions, raised money for African missions, wrote religious
    periodicals, and promoted Victorian ideals of womanhood, respectability, and racial uplift.
    — -:>)

    —ENJOY♥- -http://voxflash.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/Fruit-Smoothies-3.jpg

    – – -B BLESSED♥— -SAFE♥— PRAYERFUL♥—RESISTANT♥–:>)

  • Miranda

    OK, here’s that clip from that tweet Kennymack posted below of this bullshit segment on msnbc….wtf….”pulse of the people”….. F U msnbc.
    https://twitter.com/elysepg/status/865217924486774785

    • Kennymack1971

      They really don’t understand that all this does is make us hate them more.

    • Nobody GAF about these backwards, racist CACs think!

    • jziglar

      The vast majority of people have a negative opinion of Trump so who cares what his “fans” think or have to say.

  • Miranda

    ________________________I just choked on my coke and some went through my nose, but it was worth it….this is hilarious.
    https://twitter.com/JohnJHarwood/status/865229587260866561

  • GreenLadyHere

    PBOMB♥— –Soooo- – -ROGER- -Ailes- – -No MORE?. .– –

    – – –Commenter:- — Where do you think Roger Ailes is right now, and do you reckon it’s hot there ?– –

    – – -CONDOLENCES 2 his family —

  • rikyrah

    This was over at BJ, and it was on point:

    It
    looks like Chuck Schumer’s advice not to pick a fight with the
    intelligence community is right: every major news organization got a
    scoop yesterday. This one went to McClatchy. The Times’ allotment was
    that Trump’s team knew that Flynn was under investigation before he came to the White House. The Wall Street Journal learned that the Israeli source Trump burned was the most important source we have on ISIS. Reuters has an exclusive on the 18 contacts the Trump campaign had with Russia. And of course the Post got a recording
    of Kevin McCarthy saying that Trump and Dana Rohrbacher are on Putin’s
    payroll. I don’t know if that last one was from the “deep state” but the
    rest were sure leaked by someone from a national security agency.
    That’s just in one day, which leads me to believe that they have a lot
    more (otherwise they would drip, drip, drip it out).

  • GreenLadyHere

    PBOMB♥– –DRIP!– -DRIP!- – -DRIP!– -Onto Other NEWZ. . .- – -INVESTIGATIONS. . – —

    – – –☺https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/865232112697434112
    – — Here’s the release: House Intel Cmte requests docs from FBI re: to
    Comey’s dismissal, “conversations between the President and Mr. Comey.”
    – —

    CARRY ON. . .:>)

  • 7thangel
    • MsKitty

      FTW

  • TyrenM

    Just saw Kerber got beat. Way to warm up for French Open lol.

    • Alma98

      IKR hee hee

  • nellcote
    • Miranda

      “irritating”……

      how do you say “getting on our fucking nerves” in German?

      • Farrod

        “Immer auf die verdammten Nerven”!!!-

        • Miranda

          HA! Thanks!

        • MsKitty

          (files in the memory banks for future usage)

        • Aquagranny911

          ♥ Farrod! I am saving this one! Gracias for the share.

  • GreenLadyHere

    PBOMB♥- – –A- — BLACK♥ — – HISTORICAL – -MOMENT♥—In- -MEMORIAM♥—

    – – –☺https://twitter.com/MadisonSiriusXM/status/865192355846029313

    — – –RIHEP♥- – – With — -GRATITUDE♥ – –annnd LOVE♥- – –BLESSINGS♥ :>)

  • MsKitty

    On second thought, this might be FTW

    https://twitter.com/JuliaAngwin/status/865223382916321280

  • nellcote

    Rick Wilson‏Verified account @TheRickWilson

    Dear Trump Folks:

    You’re either a cooperating witness…or a target.

    Choose wisely.

  • GreenLadyHere

    PBOMB♥- – — **head bow**—SAD NEWZ– –In MEMORIAM. . – —

    – – -☻https://twitter.com/ABC/status/865226789299388416

    CONDOLENCES♥- – -2 Family♥/Friends♥/Fans. .– – –

    • MsKitty

      Sigh.

      RIP

      • GreenLadyHere

        MsKitty- – –AMEN♥

  • nellcote

    Mrs. Betty Bowers‏ @BettyBowers

    Fred Flintstone impersonator, Sean Hannity, is hypocritically imploring us: “Only speak good of the dead.” OK. Roger Ailes is dead. Good.

  • GreenLadyHere

    PBOMB♥– :>)– Some People- — Have NO- — -CHILL. . .— –
    — –☺https://twitter.com/allanimallan/status/865189904053043201

    NONE- – – — -Jus’ – -TRUTH. .– – -:>)

  • Miranda

    Reporting one fatality and appears to be a tragic accident.
    https://twitter.com/ABC/status/865240192432701440

  • nellcote
    • rikyrah

      DA PHUQ?

      • Miranda

        His people are wholly incompetent and remember they won’t get any guidance from the career employees at the State Dept on protocols. They think they know everything so they just run and try and plan shit without knowing any history or traditions of these countries. They are the quintessential white folks who are ignorant of other cultures and have no respect..they are going to make complete fools of themselves.

        • nellcote

          They are the quintessential white folks who are ignorant of other cultures and have no respect
          ===
          THIS!

    • Miranda
    • Alma98

      The man is scared of stairs so……lol

  • nellcote
  • Admiral_Komack

    Pimp.

    • TyrenM

      Y’all are close. About those trips to Russia, underage girls, getting peed on…

  • GreenLadyHere

    PBOMB♥—YES.- —“AUNTIE- -MAXINE♥”- – -STAYS On The RETHUGS. . – – –

    – – -☺https://twitter.com/MSNBC/status/865176632562024449
    Maxine Waters: Once Trump’s links to Russia revealed, GOP won’t be able to stand with Trump– –

    – – –ETA:- – –Rep. Maxine Waters: ‘I believe it will lead to impeachment’. .– – –:>)

  • nellcote
  • Miranda

    ahhhhh woo woo woo…woo woo woo..poor widdle snowflakes not getting the scoops LOL…dummies. The people GIVING the scoops aren’t Trumpkins, those are career civil servants who hate all yall.
    ———————
    Conservative reporters are upset with Trump. And it has nothing to do with policy.
    May 17 2017

    Even the reporters who are supposed to like the Trump administration are grumbling about the Trump administration these days.

    The frustration among conservative media outlets, which cheered for Donald Trump on the campaign trail, has nothing to do with the scandals and policy setbacks engulfing the president. Instead, they say they have become second-class citizens in their access and connections to the president and his closest aides.

    Several are upset that big interviews and big scoops have gone to the mainstream news media. And some of the biggest have gone to the New York Times and NBC News, outlets Trump has branded “enemies of the American people.”

    “The liberal mainstream media has gotten the big chunks of meat,” said a reporter for a conservative news organization. He added, “It’s infuriating to read [a mainstream news story] and see that they’re talking to them and not us. They’ve forgotten who got them here.”

    more here: https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/conservative-reporters-are-upset-with-trump-and-it-has-nothing-to-do-with-policy/2017/05/17/c9d0d310-3a81-11e7-a058-ddbb23c75d82_story.html?hpid=hp_hp-more-top-stories_conservativemedia-920pm%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.68c741c36501

    • TyrenM

      Didn’t read it but…they’re telling this to WaPo? Crying about “big media” to the Washington Post? Got it.

  • GreenLadyHere

    PBOMB♥– -YES.- —RESISTANT- -Rep. TED LIEU♥- – –Brangs The “Fun FACTS. . – — :>)

    — -☺https://twitter.com/tedlieu/status/865219791539372032
    – — This is the House Judiciary Committee. Fun fact: If there are
    impeachment proceedings, this is where it would start. Just sayin’.

    – – -Sooo- — -WATCHIN’. . . :>)

  • GreenLadyHere

    PBOMB♥– -YES.- – –RESISTANT–Rep. BARBARA Lee♥ – –Keeps The Focus – -On #NetNeutrality. . As “IT” Attempts 2 Dismantle It. .– -:>)

    – – -☺https://twitter.com/RepBarbaraLee/status/865229092463017984
    – —Trump’s @FCC wants to take away the open internet, at a time when free speech has never been more critical. We must protect #NetNeutrality!

    LUVin’ The Way That Dems- -R Keepin’ The FOCUS on ALL ISSUES. . .- – -WAYTA -Gooo. . :>)

  • nellcote

    imagine scalping tix to see a president!
    https://twitter.com/IrisRimon/status/865218693344759809

    • TyrenM

      And getting it!

  • nellcote
    • Miranda

      But not surprising. She works for a man that made fun of the disabled, so really not surprising at all.

    • rikyrah

      that’s why those students at Bethune-Cookman were absolutely on point.

    • GreenLadyHere

      Good Morntin’ nellcotte. :>)- — -**BIG – –Cali- -HUG** :>)

      STOOPID- -EVIL/VILE WANCH!!- – -The Bethune-Cookman Students- -KNEW!!- – – -Annd THEY TAUGHT the Administrator- – -GRIFTER$$- –

      NOW WE NEED 2 OPPOSE!!– –

      Annnd – –WORD 2 –All Otha- -HBCU’s- — NO MORE —“IT” Supporters on OUR Campuses- –E-V-A!!!– –

      B BLESSED♥ :>)

    • nathkatun7

      These right wingers are truly evil!

  • nellcote
  • GreenLadyHere

    PBOMB♥- – -YES.- – —RESISTANT♥- –Sen. KAMALA Harris♥- — -Keeps The FOCUS On -INFRA-STRUCTURE- -another NEGLECTED Area by “IT”. . – —

    – – —We’ve neglected our infrastructure for far too long. This is one issue we can & must work together to fix. #NationalInfrastructureWeek

    – — THANK U♥- – – :>)

    – – —☻https://twitter.com/BoltonandMenk/status/864539913496256513

    – —It’s National Infrastructure Week! #NationalInfrastructureWeek #InfrastructureMatters #TimeToBuild #RealSolutions[B&M, Inc.]

  • Miranda

    “Fake News” is straight up trolling Trump HARD
    https://twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/865234843134816256

  • GreenLadyHere

    PBOMB♥- – –PRAYERS♥- — -4 ALL INVOLVED- — In This Car Accident. .– —

    – – – -☺https://twitter.com/FoxNews/status/865242587044642816
    – —Witness: Car was driving the wrong way before it hit pedestrians in #TimesSquare. http://fxn.ws/2q0rGWH– – –

    “#FDNY confirms 1 fatality, 12 injuries in #TimesSquare motor vehicle accident, 45 St/Broadway”

    – – –With CONDOLENCES♥ — -AMEN♥– –

    • MsKitty
      • GreenLadyHere

        Good Morntin’– -https://media.tenor.co/images/17769a737a8eef01ba3876b1229f0642/tenor.gif
        **BIG HUG** :>)

        Thank U♥- — Jus’ readin’ :>)– -Streets R Soo NOT safe.. . .

        Good 2 C U♥ :>) B BLESSED♥ :>)

  • nellcote
  • rikyrah

    Y’ALL

    Pence really IS that stupid.

    He really thinks that Dolt45 is going down WITHOUT HIM?

    PHUICK OUTTA HERE.

    Josh Barro @jbarro

    Pence has formed a campaign committee that will allow him to develop his own donor lists… highly unusual for a VP… hmmm…

    Carl Quintanilla @carlquintanilla

    “This is the first time a sitting vice president has formed such a separate political arm ..”

    (h/t @RobinWigg, NBC news, politics)

    • nellcote

      how (much more) paranoid is #prezpence going to make donnie? LOL

    • Miranda

      There is no way Trump will go down and not take as many as he possibly can with him including Pence. Ryan and McConnell need to be lawyering up their damn selves. Trump is a vindictive child. He’s gonna try and spray as many bodies as he can on his way out.

      • MsKitty

        They deserve nothing less.

        • Aquagranny911

          I want ALL of them down, OUT, disgraced & GONE! It would be great if they all did some orange jumpsuit time but I would be happy just to see them all broken & out of office.

    • Aquagranny911

      Pence is grifting. Unless he lands in jail, he can enjoy that $$ while he takes “mother” on a cruise after he is booted from office.

    • jziglar

      That’s why they call the man Mike Dense. He isn’t much brighter than Trump.

    • GOVCHRIS1988

      Someone needs to tell Pence to look up Spiro Theodore Agnew.

  • GreenLadyHere

    PBOMB♥- – –Creative RESISTANT♥ – – -Brangs the- – Draggin’ . . .— –

    – –☻https://twitter.com/TIME/status/865188944627064834

    – —TIME’s new cover: How Trump’s loyalty test is straining Washington http://ti.me/2qVmlF4

    — –But- – –WE KNOW- – — -NOT – – –GONNA– -HAPEN!!– –

    K’MON – — KARMA!! – –

  • Aquagranny911

    Hola Fam! I see Roger Ailes has now taken his final journey. I have a question. Why is it that we are not “supposed to speak ill of the dead?” Maybe it is just me but if I have spoken plenty of “ill” of them when they were living, I have no problema speaking the same when they are dead. I guess I’m just a bad person.

    On another topic, I see there is a planned gathering in the Lounge for Dumpster’s presser which looks to occur about 12:30 AZ time. I do realize that I have failed in my duties of keeping the Lounge supplied so If I can be there I will make it up by bringing extra snacks & tequila.

    • MsKitty

      Hey AG.

      I’m right there with you. If someone’s time on Earth was devoted to doing truly inhumane and evil things, then I have no problem saying the world just became a much better place without them in it. They don’t suddenly become a quality human being in death.

      Looking forward to the tequila, and I haven’t had some good tamales since I was in San Antonio a few weeks back. I know you have the hook up LOL.

      • Aquagranny911

        Not enough time for tamales & we ate the last of my frozen stash over this past weekend. How bout I bring an assortment of Talenti? Will that make it up? I can also make a batch of killer margaritas.

        I can see I will have to stay more on top of events & kick the relatives now in charge of tamale making to get their butts in gear & make some more ♥

        • MsKitty

          Talenti is always an acceptable substitute.

          • Aquagranny911

            Talenti is everything, imo!

          • sagittarius

            Hola AG!

            I just asked Admiral to bring some downthread – yet, we can’t ever have too much Talenti!

            Catching up, then heading over to the afternoon thread!

    • Alma98

      Hola AG!

  • nellcote
  • Miranda

    Afternoon thread is up

    • GreenLadyHere

      miranda♥- – -Thank U. :>)

  • GreenLadyHere

    PBOMB♥- -Moving :>)

  • sagittarius

    Afternoon rikyrah,
    Returnng positive thoughts to you!

  • lamh
    • Alma98

      RIP