August 20, 2014

Tuesday Open Thread: African American Car Designers

Good Morning Obots!

Secret service agents flanked both sides of the vehicle. A crowd of reporters snaked behind a rope about 20 feet away. Camera flashes documented every possible angle of the meeting taking place.
It was a strange setting for a private conversation.

But sitting alone inside a 2013 Chevy Malibu, President Obama and Ed Welburn had just that last February during the Washington Auto Show.

The conversation came at the end of a short tour, in which Welburn, the vice president of global design at General Motors, introduced the president to seven of the company’s latest vehicles, a lineup made possible by Obama’s fiscal bailout of the nation’s reeling auto industry only three years ago.

Inside the Malibu, Obama offered Welburn a candid assessment of all that had transpired in the meantime.

“He let me know how proud he was with the work that I do, and I was just like, ‘Wow,’” Welburn said. “At the very last vehicle, he did ask me, he just remarked that the design of GM cars has gotten so much better in the past few years.”

Their meeting was notable for obvious reasons, namely it was a very public connection between the president and a high-ranking auto industry executive at a time the federal auto bailout is under considerable scrutiny.

But it was notable for another reason, one unmentioned by the horde of reporters standing only 20 feet away, and perhaps one unnoticed by Obama and Welburn themselves. On the Jan. 31, the eve of Black History Month, the first African American president was meeting with the first African American to lead design at a car company; Welburn leads the biggest in the world.

Making history


Not that Welburn, 61, pays much attention to such designations.

Long before he rose over to become the highest-ranking African American executive in the domestic auto industry, and long before he was the industry’s first African American designer in 1972, he was just a kid obsessed with cars.

Growing up in suburban Philadelphia, his father owned an auto body shop that provided early inspiration. At age three, he pulled all the books off his mother’s bookshelf and drew sketches, simple ovals with wheels, on the blank pages. She wasn’t happy.

He built soapbox derby cars. As he got older, he was a neighborhood favorite: Kids flocked to his backyard, because he knew how to fix their bikes. He devoured car magazines. As a teenager, he drove a tow truck for a Chevrolet dealership.

But it was at age 10 that an experience at the 1960 Philadelphia Auto Show cemented the course of his life. Fifty years later, he vividly recalls the details at a moment’s notice.

“My parents take me in, and there’s this Cadillac concept car that looks like a missile, and it’s on a bed of angel hair to give it this above-the-clouds look, and I mean, that’s it,” Welburn said. “I looked at my parents and, I mean, this is what I want to do when I grow up and for that company.”

Read the rest of Ed’s journey to tops in the Car Design Industry here.

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  • Miranda

    Good Morning Obots!

    please caption that first pic! LOL, I think PBO is saying “maaaaaannn, I gots to get me one of theeze!”

    • http://pragmaticobotsunite.blogspot.com/ Sepia

      LOL! I got one…

      PBO: “This is a fantastic car, man! Let me borrow it.”

      Ed: “No, my brother. You gots ta get your own!”

  • Kennymack1971

    Good morning everyone. Another fantastic series. I love this blog.

  • http://pragmaticobotsunite.blogspot.com/ Sepia

    Mornin’ POU! Good news!

    Richard Engel and NBC News team freed from captors in Syria
    By Mike Brunker, NBC News

    Updated at 7:35 a.m. ET: NBC News’ Chief Foreign Correspondent Richard Engel and members of his network production team were freed from captors in Syria after a firefight at a checkpoint on Monday, five days after they were taken prisoner, NBC News said early Tuesday.

    “After being kidnapped and held for five days inside Syria by an unknown group, NBC News Chief Foreign Correspondent Richard Engel and his production crew members have been freed unharmed. We are pleased to report they are safely out of the country,” the network said in a statement.

    “It is good to be here,” Engel said during a live appearance on TODAY from Turkey. “I’m very happy that we’re able to do this live shot this morning.”

    Engel said that they were traveling with Syrian rebels when a group of about 15 gunmen “jumped out the trees and bushes” and captured them.

    MORE: http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/12/18/15985279-richard-engel-and-nbc-news-team-freed-from-captors-in-syria?lite

    • Miranda

      “Mr. Spielberg, line one please. Its the head of NBC. They wish to discuss your directing the movie.”

    • rikyrah

      this is good news.

    • GreenLadyHere

      HEEY Sepia – -***BIG HUG*** :>)

      — -Woo! Hoo! PRAYERS ANSWERED. :>) — -

      I’m sure that his ordeal their was VERY DIFFERENT from here. — Sooo happy 4 him/family. :>)

      Good 2 C U Sepia. :>)

    • nellcote

      Did we know that Engel had been detained? I’m glad he out. One of the best ME reporters.

  • rikyrah

    Good Morning, Everyone:)

  • isonprize

    I LOVE THIS SITE!! Mr. Welburn is just too cool. I just knew there was something different about that Cadillac and now I know what it is. I am so glad that he does what he loves because it is clearly obvious that he loves his work.

    We simply MUST nurture our children. Can you imagine how miserable he would have been doing anything else? He knew at 8 -10 years old, and his parents nurtured that desire. Living in Berwyn, in the 1960s, they had to be doing VERY well, but still, last time I checked, it doesn’t cost anything to read. Rich or not-so-rich, we simply must do more to support the dreams of our children. /rant off. LOLOL

    caption: “Maaaan, this is sweet! But you know I need that Caddy, right? in black. “

    • Miranda

      I can remember right now how there were boys in my elementary and middle school classes that would draw cars every free moment. Some would come up with the most creative ideas and we would “oooo” and “ahhhh” over them behind Ms. Robinson and Ms. Maddow’s backs. LOL – no one ever thought it could be a “career” – you’re right. We have got to nuture the desires we see in children at a young age. Many of my former classmates could have been right up there with Ed Welburn or Ralph Gilles.

    • rikyrah

      I love seeing these Black imaginative minds flourish.

    • GreenLadyHere

      HEEY isonprize. ***BIG HUG** :>)

      – - -***fist bump*** – - -THIS – -We simply MUST nurture our children. Can you imagine how miserable he would have been doing anything else?

      THIS is sooo PROFOUNDLY TRUE. – - -Either We RAISE ‘EM – –orrr -the STREETS WILL -Annnd BADLY — I may add.

      As U KNOW – - -we can C the EVIDENCE of BOTH in the students. :>)

      BLESS U 4 YOUR PARENTING –isonprize♥. :>) – - – BLESS –FAM. :>) — -Good 2 C U. :>) [PA. RAWKS!♥] – -:>)

  • GreenLadyHere

    – -GOOD TUESDAY MORNTIN’ miranda/POU FAM♥. ***BIG HUG*** – -Ooooweee – –Another EXCITING – -POST!! :>) MR. PRESIDENT annnd his – -SPECIAL RIDE!! :>) –@DAY HE WILL MEET WITH PANETTA annnd HE WILL OFFER ADDITIONAL WAYS 2 HONOR the NEWTOWN VICTIMS annnd FAMILIES. – –

    – - – -☻ -President Obama is set to meet with Defense Secretary Leon Panetta who is widely expected to leave the administration in the coming weeks or months.

    – — -☻ -Obama makes new offer to narrow gap on cliff – - -

    ——– -President Barack Obama and House Speaker John Boehner made significant progress Monday toward a fiscal cliff deal, as Obama’s new offer on tax rates moved the two sides closer to an agreement.
    But questions remained over whether Boehner could sell the key points to Republicans at a pivotal meeting Tuesday. The progress is fragile, and the next 24 hours are critical as lawmakers from both parties and interest groups on all sides weigh in.
    – - -WATCHIN’ – - OUR NEGOTIATOR-IN-CHIEF -is BUSY :>)

    – – -☻SOOO COMPASSIONATE: – -In a new email under David Axelrod’s name, the Obama campaign emails about the shooting in Newtown, Conn — asking supporters to “consider” how to honor the memory of the 20 children killed in the shooting:

    – –☻ANOTHER FIRST – ->Long before he rose over to become the highest-ranking African American executive in the domestic auto industry, and long before he was the industry’s first African American designer in 1972, — -Woo! Hoo! :>)

    – - -ENJOY YOUR CHRISTMAS TREAT. :>)

    – — – –B BLESSED 2-DAY. :>)

  • rikyrah

    The Associated Press
    ✔@AP Tuskegee Airmen instructor among 4 to be inducted into National Aviation Hall of Fame in Ohio: apne.ws/12llEjt -RJJ

  • Miranda

    Has the American Medial Association formally recognized ODS yet? Cuz, ITS REAL.

    Ariz. electors question Obama’s birth certificate

    The Electoral College affirmed President Obama’s re-election victory — but not without more questions about Obama’s birth certificate.

    As Arizona’s electors cast 11 electoral votes for Republican challenger Mitt Romney, two Republicans — state GOP Chairman Tom Morrissey and elector Don Ascoli — said they still doubt the legitimacy of the birth certificate that Obama released in 2011.

    “I’m not satisfied with what I’ve seen,” Morrissey said. “I think for somebody in the president’s position to not have produced a document that looks more legitimate, I have a problem with that.”

    more here
    http://www.usatoday.com/story/theoval/2012/12/18/obama-electoral-college-arizona-hawaii-birth-certificate/1777049/

    • edp4bho

      Morning POU, Miranda. I hate them ! That’s all !

    • GOVCHRIS1988

      Lets get this right here, their “doubts” about his right to serve as President of the United States do not stem from that birth certificate.

      And they are still mad about this here.

      “The majority of the people had no dream that Bill Clinton did what he did until a young lady had a blue dress and proved he did,” Ascoli said. “And he had to come out and apologize to the world because he lied to you and me.”

      No, the MAJORITY of the country really didn’t give a fuck about this. I really think these white men were upset about Clinton getting brain because they weren’t getting any themselves.

      • QOakaJP

        Wait, so the real birth certificate is…stained with DNA? I’m confused. =/

    • MsKitty

      And in the meantime the world keeps turning, and Barack Obama keeps presidenting.

      Enjoy simmering in that big stewpot of bitterness and hate, suckas.

    • isonprize

      He has a problem with that. Well, LA-DEEE-DA.

      Arrogance, stubborness and stupidity are a dangerous combination. But in this instance, it’s actually a recipe for a hearty laugh.

      Obama Derangement Syndrome (ODS) really needs to be an entry in the DSM-IV. (For those who’ve never seen the DSM, it’s about a 3 inch thick text book. Most medical offices have one on a shelf somewhere.)

      From the wiki thingie…

      The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM) published by the American Psychiatric Association provides a common language and standard criteria for the classification of mental disorders.

    • dannie22

      and they cant do jack but stay mad

  • rikyrah

    The Senate is Changing
    by BooMan
    Tue Dec 18th, 2012 at 12:41:57 AM EST

    As South Carolina Govenor Nikki Haley made the announcement that she had selected Rep. Tim Scott to replace Sen. Jim DeMint today, she made a point to repeatedly emphasize that Rep. Scott had earned the position. This was an example of protesting too much. Rep. Scott is a freshman in Congress whose resume is extremely thin. But, now that Allen West failed to be reelected, Rep. Scott is the only black Republican in Congress. The Republicans can be very aggressive with their affirmative action efforts, they just don’t like to admit it.
    Nevertheless, the soon-to-be Senator Scott will be the first black person from the South to serve in the Senate since the Reconstruction Era. That he will represent South Carolina, the state that led the rebellion against the presidency of Abraham Lincoln, is more impressive. I certainly did not expect to see this happen in my lifetime. I’d be happier if I didn’t know that Mr. Scott was hand-selected by Sen. Jim DeMint.

    He will do the bidding of the Good Old Boy network down there, which should be profoundly depressing most of the time. Perhaps there will be some hope for him somewhere down the line. He seems like a genuinely nice person of deep religious faith who has a permanent smile plastered on his face. If he ever gets the clout to be his own man, he might be reasonable on a few issues.

    It was almost as stunning to lose Sen. Daniel Inouye today. It’s hard to believe that Hawai’i will have two new senators next year. It’s also hard to believe that Massachusetts will have two new senators next year. A lot of state delegations are losing power.

    On the other hand, Vermont is really moving up. Patrick Leahy will take over the Appropriations Committee, which is the most powerful non-leadership post in the Senate. He’s also third in line for the presidency after Joe Biden and John Boehner. Meanwhile, Bernie Sanders is taking over the Veteran’s Affairs Committee.

    http://www.boomantribune.com/story/2012/12/18/04157/133#8

    • http://twitter.com/sherylkaye Sheryl Kaye

      When will “today’s” Republicans learn that not just any old black man will do. Amazing that they haven’t figured out they need to fix their minds and souls…, and political policies.

      The selection of Tim Scott is certainly history. Yes, he’ll be in the history books. But what will his legacy be?

      Michael Steele was the “first African American to lead the RNC and we know how that worked out. Republicans began to set him up for failure almost from day 1 basically because he had his own ideas for how “he” wanted to lead. It was said on MSNBC that still couldn’t even get credentials at the 2012 Republican Convention. That’s due to a lack of respect for Steele and his push to recruit more African Americans.

      Given some of the comments he has made in the past, I suspect Tim Scott will be more of a team player for Republicans.

      And Republicans need to know that African Americans don’t just chase black faces.

      “Black Like Me” is about so much more than the color of our skin.

      • http://pragmaticobotsunite.blogspot.com/ Sepia

        THIS.

        “Black Like Me” is about so much more than the color of our skin.

      • dannie22

        scott is not for black folks. hes strictly to assauge the guilt of white folks. they can say, “see, we have a black person”. If blacks dont like him, they’ll say that blacks are brainwashed by the left. For whites in the repub party, its the appearance of diversity. But not really. GOP could give a damn about black folks. And Scott is just another jockey they picked up from the lawn.

        • GreenLadyHere

          – –HEEY dannie22. **BIG HUG** :>) –

          LOL — -YA MEAN- —LIKE THIS??? – -LOL –JUST! 4 U♥- –:>) – - -

          - –All our –SKIN FOLK — -ain’t our KIN FOLK — –HE PROVES – -THAT!! – -HAH!

          Good 2 C U dannie22. :>)

        • Admiral_Komack

          Tim Scott is a TeaRepublican.
          Fuck him.
          He’ll get his wake-up call soon enough

      • GreenLadyHere

        HEEY Ms. Sheryl –***BIG HUG*** :>)

        Sooo THIS – –>Michael Steele was the “first African American to lead the RNC and we know how that worked out. Republicans began to set him up for failure almost from day 1 basically because he had his own ideas for how “he” wanted to lead. It was said on MSNBC that still couldn’t even get credentials at the 2012 Republican Convention. That’s due to a lack of respect for Steele and his push to recruit more African Americans.

        Annnd YET – –he CONTINUES 2 VIGOROUSLY DEFEND the RE-THUCKERs –POLICIES —annnd EMBEDDED –RACISM!! —geesh!!

        - —THEY REALLY –
        GOT a GOOD 1 —IN HIM!! – –HAH! -

        - — -IMMA NOMINATE HIM 4 a Time Magazine cover –”PHOOL of da YEAR!! – –HAH!

        Good 2 C U–Ms. Sheryl. :>)

        • http://twitter.com/sherylkaye Sheryl Kaye

          Thanks

  • GreenLadyHere

    miranda – –Sooo EXCITING: – Hadta EMPHASIZE THIS –>On the Jan. 31, the eve of Black History Month, the first African American president was meeting with the first African American to lead design at a car company; Welburn leads the biggest in the world

    THIS is 4 the HATAS spoutin’ — THIS MEME: – –HE ‘ON’T do NOTHIN’ 4 BLAH FOLKS!! – -HAH! – — –LOSERS!

  • GreenLadyHere

    miranda – - -GOOD NEWS – - -”RIDE or DIE” VP Joe will LEAD da CHARGE – - -movin FORWARD – –>:>)

    – - -Biden Will Lead Charge on Gun Control [Obama calls meeting of Cabinet to seek 'broader approach'] – -

    - — – - President Obama has taken his first steps to reducing gun violence, charging his Cabinet in a meeting yesterday with formulating proposals toward that end, and tapping longtime gun-control advocate Joe Biden to lead the effort, sources tell the Washington Post, adding that an assault rifle ban is definitely on the table. But officials say Obama’s response to the Newtown shootings will be a “broader approach” that goes beyond simple gun control, including proposals to address mental illness and violence in pop culture as well.

    The president’s allies in Congress are already mobilizing. “We need to accept the reality that we’re not doing enough to protect our citizens,” Harry Reid said following a moment of silence on the Senate floor yesterday. Reid made a point of bringing his gun with him when he first came to Washington, Politico points out, and he has often been an NRA ally. “His thinking is evolving,” a Reid confidant says. “He is probably not going to take the lead,” but won’t obstruct action either. Pro-gun Democrats Mark Warner and Joe Manchin are also joining the call for action.
    THERE IS MORE.

    – - –Goooo FORWARD –with your LEADERSHIP – –MR. PRESIDENT/VP JOE!! — -Woo! Hoo! :>)

  • GreenLadyHere

    miranda – — -SAD – -SOBERING FACTS – — WE GOTTA PROTECT OUR CHILDREN – -

    – –In 2005, More Preschoolers Were Killed by Firearms than Law Enforcement Died in Line of Fire – -

    — – - -In a report on child welfare from 2008, we learn that in 2005, 69 preschoolers were killed by firearms compared to 53 law enforcement officers killed in the line of duty.

    On an average day in 2011 in America, 8 children or teens are killed by firearms, according to the Children Defense Fund. (This stat is based on calculations per school day — 180 days of seven hours each.)

    In the Key Data section of the CDF report, they report, “(B)etween 2004 and 2005, total firearm deaths of children and teens increased by 181, the first annual increase since 1994.” What is not mentioned in the report is the fact that 2004 is the year the assault weapons ban expired, and 1994 is the year we passed the assault weapons ban. Thus, while not proven to be causal, we have a relationship showing an increase in total firearm deaths of children after the assault weapon ban expired, for the first time since the assault weapon ban was passed.

    – –SNIP – –
    FROM the “DEADLY NRA”: – ->NRA/Republicans will say that it was a fluke that one year more children died at the hands of guns than law enforcement officers died in the line of duty. Perhaps. It’s tough to negate such charges when research is years behind events, but then, this also means that they can’t prove it’s a fluke.

    THERE IS MORE

    – –Heal The World – -4 the CHILDREN – -[RIHEP -MJ♥] – - –

  • GOVCHRIS1988

    Damnit. Ladies, it may not be a real bone, but it can still break. Every brothers nightmare scenario here.

    http://www.tmz.com/2012/12/17/ultimate-fighter-ray-elbe-broken-penis-fractured-ultimate-fighter-malaysia/

    Warning, men may want to get a pack of ice, some Tums, and a lady to console you while reading this sad account.

    • Miranda

      OMG, I am feeling woozy after reading that! OMG!!!! I wanna pass out too!

    • Daltex82

      Oh my! That takes “Love me ’til it hurts” to a whole different level. I don’t even want to think about the amount of pain he must be in. I hope he gets better.

    • Alma98

      I’m not a man and I’m like ouchhhhh!

    • TyrenM

      Chris, you hard on a brotha. Just take the ho ho ho right out of Christmas why don’t you.

  • Miranda

    Atlanta civil rights leader, businessman Jesse Hill Jr. dead

    ATLANTA (AP) — Jesse Hill Jr., a civil rights leader and businessman who later became the first black president of the Atlanta Chamber of Commerce, died Monday. He was 86.

    Hill had a close relationship with Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. and helped make sure his legacy would be remembered, according to Steve Klein, a spokesman for the King Center, where Hill served as chairman of the board of directors from 1979 to 1995.
    “He was very instrumental in developing the growth of the King Center and really a giant in Atlanta civic affairs,” Klein said. “I don’t think you could think of a major civic project in Atlanta for the last 20 or 30 years that he wasn’t involved in.”

    Hill was born in St. Louis. He graduated from Lincoln University in Jefferson City, Mo., with a degree in mathematics and physics, and earned a master’s in actuarial science from the University of Michigan. He joined the Atlanta Life Insurance Company in 1949 and eventually became the company’s president and CEO. He retired in 1990.
    Hill was named the head of the Atlanta Chamber of Commerce — now called the Metro Atlanta Chamber, in 1978. Hill participated in several economic trade missions to Europe on behalf of the chamber and accompanied President Jimmy Carter on a trade mission to Nigeria.
    In 1960, Hill helped create the Atlanta Inquirer, the city’s first newspaper for the African-American community. He served as publisher until 1985.
    http://thegrio.com/2012/12/18/atlanta-civil-rights-leader-businessman-jesse-hill-jr-dead/

  • GreenLadyHere

    miranda –HAH! – — NOW they –SPILLIN’ their GUTS!! – –

    – - -Florida Sought To Disenfranchise College Students In 2012 Election, Lawmaker Admits- – -

    - – - –Election Day in Florida became a nightmare due to several changes to election law, resulting in marathon lines and more provisional ballots. Now that the election is over, Florida Republicans are beginning to admit the mess was intended to suppress votes.

    State Rep. Dennis Baxley (R-FL) and GOP chair of Alachua County, Stafford Jones, cooked up one of Florida’s many new laws specifically to keep college students from voting in the 2012 election. The vote-suppressing measures were inspired by the 2010 victory of Gainesville’s first openly gay mayor, Craig Lowe, which Republicans claim was stolen by Florida college students.

    – –SNIP – –

    – -Beyond hijinks at the local level, the Florida GOP admitted soon after the election that the goal of these new laws was always to keep Democratic voters away from the polls. Their efforts at voter suppression succeeded; the number of provisional ballots jumped an average of 25 percent in each county from last year.
    THERE IS MORE

    — – -DISGUSTING – -RACIST — – LOSER!!! – - -

    — –BUT —YOUR — —”WEAPON” – - -DID! — -NOT! – –WORK!! – -HAH! – -

  • GreenLadyHere

    miranda – — –I continue 2 look **side eye** at POLLS – -BUT – –THIS —GOOD NEWS —:>) – -

    - – -Poll: 69% disapprove of GOP on fiscal cliff

    - – - -Nearly seven in 10 Americans disapprove of how congressional Republicans are handling the fiscal cliff, according to a poll released Tuesday, with a bare majority expecting a deal to be reached by the end of 2012.

    Only 17 percent of Americans approve of how the GOP is handling negotiations, while 69 percent disapprove, according to a new CBS News poll. Fifty percent disapprove of how Obama and congressional Democrats are negotiating, while 38 percent approve.

    Half of Americans think Congress and the president will reach a deal to avert the cliff, which amounts to a package of widespread tax increases and deep spending cuts that will go into effect at the beginning of 2013. Forty-four percent think a deal probably won’t be reached.

    An overwhelming majority of Americans — 69 percent — continue to support raising taxes on all income above $250,000 a year, with even a majority of Republicans supporting such a deal. Only 45 percent support reducing government benefits “for people like you,” with 48 percent opposed.
    THERE IS MORE

  • Miranda

    Silent Since Shootings, N.R.A. Could Face Challenge to Political Power

    Until recently, Debra Maggart considered the National Rifle Association an ally. As chairwoman of the Republican caucus in the Tennessee House of Representatives, she was a lifetime N.R.A. member and steadfastly supported its agenda, even voting for a bill that allowed guns in bars.
    “How much more pro-Second Amendment can you be when you allow guns in a place that’s serving tequila?” she asked.

    But when she and other Tennessee Republicans decided earlier this year not to move forward with an N.R.A. bill that would have allowed people to keep firearms locked in their cars in parking lots, Ms. Maggart became an object lesson in how the organization deploys its political power.

    Upset that the bill, which the N.R.A. called the “Safe Commute Act,” had stalled, the group began working to unseat Ms. Maggart, the only member of the House leadership with a primary opponent. Billboards with her picture next to President Obama’s went up in her district, along with radio ads, newspaper ads and mailings. The N.R.A. and the other groups that opposed her in the primary spent around $155,000, she estimated. It would hardly be enough to register in many political races these days, but it was more than enough to beat Ms. Maggart — and draw notice in the State Capitol.

    more here
    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/18/nyregion/silent-since-shootings-nra-could-face-challenge-to-political-power.html?_r=0

  • GreenLadyHere

    miranda – - – -PLAN B??? – - –HOW is it DIFFERENT from PLAN A?? _ – - -BOTH R DESIGNED 2 – –SAVE DA RICH!! – - – -geesh!! –

    – –John Boehner moving to Plan B on fiscal cliff — -

    – - -House Republicans, discouraged by the pace of negotiations with the White House, will move their own bill that would hike tax rates on income above $1 million, according to several sources familiar with the plan.

    Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) told President Barack Obama of his plan last night on a phone call, according to sources.

    Boehner will make the argument to House Republicans that tax rates will go up on everyone come Jan. 1. “The question for us is real simple: How do we stop as many of those rate hikes as possible?” Boehner plans to tell House Republicans.
    THERE IS MORE – - – -WORD SALAD! – -NEXT!!. . .

  • rikyrah

    How Does the Deal Look?
    by BooMan
    Tue Dec 18th, 2012 at 09:14:41 AM EST

    You are going to hear a lot about chained CPI. If you want to know why progressives hate the idea, this explains it. It’s basically statistical manipulation that is used to lower the cost of living adjustments the government makes to various programs, including Social Security. It means less money for you and me in retirement. A good guess is that we’ll see a three percent reduction in our earned benefits. Why should the elderly pay the price for our stupid wars and tax cuts for the rich?
    Well, they shouldn’t. The rich should pay for it all. The vulnerable should pay for none of it.

    However, just because chained CPI is unfair and unjustified, that doesn’t mean that the president isn’t in the process of brokering a worthwhile deal. In a negotiated compromise with asshole Republicans, there has to be at least a couple things we hate included. The question in this case is: what do we get in return and what to we get to keep instead? And, then, is it a better deal than we’d get just by going over the fiscal cliff?

    It’s not possible to answer those questions definitively until we see the whole package. Democratic advocates of chained CPI see it as more palatable than increasing the retirement age for Medicare. I can’t argue with that, but we don’t need to do either thing if we just off the cliff. So, what do we get for not going over the cliff?

    It appears that we get quite a lot. We get an extension of unemployment benefits and a no-drama extension of debt ceiling. We get a modest stimulus bill focused on much-needed infrastructure projects. We limit itemized deductions for the rich. We get a permanent solution for the Alternative Minimum Tax and the Medicare Doc Fix. We avoid rattling the markets or further jeopardizing our credit rating. We regain control over the budget rather than having to put the pieces back together after sequestration takes place.

    http://www.boomantribune.com/story/2012/12/18/91441/715

    • aleth

      But it is not merely a question of going over the cliff, the central issue is the question of raising the debt ceiling. You have the best chance with the public paying attention now to deal with the debt ceiling instead of another crisis in february. So whether we all like it or not we are going to have to see if we can resolve both issues now or wait later.

      If Krugman himself is not sure whether going over the cliff will mean better negiotiating terms with respect to the debt ceiling — you know something is happening.

      The left including myself need to recognize we are dealing with the CRAY CRAY CRAY. The CCC have gerrymandered their asses to the point were they are guranteed re-election no matter what they do. This is the price for 2010. So we have a party leader in Boehner who does not control his members and yet the President must work with them or we all go down the tubes.

      They don’t care because they get cover from the media, left and right body politic.

      I hate to bring this up but its harder to be a democrat than a republican:

      http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/09/30/153069/-Tone-Truth-and-the-Democratic-Party

      Beyond that, by applying such tests, we are hamstringing our ability to build a majority. We won’t be able to transform the country with such a polarized electorate. Because the truth of the matter is this: Most of the issues this country faces are hard. They require tough choices, and they require sacrifice. The Bush Administration and the Republican Congress may have made the problems worse, but they won’t go away after President Bush is gone. Unless we are open to new ideas, and not just new packaging, we won’t change enough hearts and minds to initiate a serious energy or fiscal policy that calls for serious sacrifice. We won’t have the popular support to craft a foreign policy that meets the challenges of globalization or terrorism while avoiding isolationism and protecting civil liberties. We certainly won’t have a mandate to overhaul a health care policy that overcomes all the entrenched interests that are the legacy of a jerry-rigged health care system. And we won’t have the broad political support, or the effective strategies, required to lift large numbers of our fellow citizens out of numbing poverty.

      The bottom line is that our job is harder than the conservatives’ job. After all, it’s easy to articulate a belligerent foreign policy based solely on unilateral military action, a policy that sounds tough and acts dumb; it’s harder to craft a foreign policy that’s tough and smart. It’s easy to dismantle government safety nets; it’s harder to transform those safety nets so that they work for people and can be paid for. It’s easy to embrace a theological absolutism; it’s harder to find the right balance between the legitimate role of faith in our lives and the demands of our civic religion. But that’s our job. And I firmly believe that whenever we exaggerate or demonize, or oversimplify or overstate our case, we lose. Whenever we dumb down the political debate, we lose.
      A polarized electorate that is turned off of politics, and easily dismisses both parties because of the nasty, dishonest tone of the debate, works perfectly well for those who seek to chip away at the very idea of government because, in the end, a cynical electorate is a selfish electorate.

      • jds09

        “The left including myself need to recognize we are dealing with the CRAY CRAY CRAY. The CCC have gerrymandered their asses to the point were they are guaranteed re-election no matter what they do.”

        This is the bottom line. When PBO told the Des Moines Register that he thought the process would take 6 months and it could ugly, he was speaking to this basic fundamental political fact. The CCC cannot learn, they cannot govern and they cannot be anything other than what they are. And they are protected from immediate consequences for their actions.

        The Democrats, in the service of their country, will HAVE to crush these fools with the complete attention of the American population and the world on them. I don’t see anything real happening until the spring. Meanwhile the MSM has a bullshit story they can milk like they milked the “horse race” of the election. I’m bored already.

  • Miranda

    Owner of Assault Rifle Brand Involved in Sandy Hook Shooting Getting Out of the Firearms Game

    An investment firm that owns several major firearms manufacturers, including the company that produces the assault rifle used in last week’s shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School, announced this morning that it intends to put its entire firearms portfolio up for sale.

    “It is apparent that the Sandy Hook tragedy was a watershed event that has raised the national debate on gun control to an unprecedented level,” Cerberus Capital Management said in its statement. “It is not our role to take positions, or attempt to shape or influence the gun control policy debate…here are, however, actions that we as a firm can take. Accordingly, we have determined to immediately engage in a formal process to sell our investment in Freedom Group.”

    more here
    http://gawker.com/5969355/owner-of-assault-rifle-brand-involved-in-sandy-hook-shooting-getting-out-of-the-firearms-game?utm_campaign=socialflow_gawker_twitter&utm_source=gawker_twitter&utm_medium=socialflow

    • isonprize

      An investment firm that owns several major firearms manufacturers, including the company that produces the assault rifle used in last week’s shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School, announced this morning that it intends to put its entire firearms portfolio up for sale.

      The irony, of course, is that there will be plenty of buyers…

      • conlakappa

        My thoughts exactly. You want to get out of the game and make a statement? Melt them down and fashion them into crutches for all of those maimed by gunfire, most especially in the developing world.

      • Camille

        Like those never ending going out of business sales at businesses that never end up going out of business.

    • Guns3000

      I don’t believe this at all. Its a public relations ploy. Gun sales are though the rough at the moment. Pay particular attention to this line,
      ” announced this morning that it intends to put its entire firearms portfolio up for sale.”

      Yeah that’s like the guy tells his girlfriend,”I intend to marry you.” When she put heat on him.

    • nellcote

      “The announcement comes one day after the California State Teachers Retirement System, a large pension fund, told The Wall Street Journal that it was reviewing its $500 million investment commitment to Cerberus because of the firm’s stake in Freedom Group.”

      http://www.timesunion.com/news/crime/article/Cerberus-selling-stake-in-firearms-after-Newtown-4127061.php#ixzz2FQLg8LEu

  • aleth

    Boener is so predictable its not funny … like we said — HE would reject the deal because he does not have the votes. They want the debt limit fight again in two months because they know the American people with media working together will have amnesia.

    The middle class tax bill already in the house will pass and be signed by the President. Boener trying to save face by accepting the Presidents initial proposal.

    Here we go Feburary cray cray of Debt limit and treat of Government Shutdown. I do think it is smart for the President to want to clean up everything now before new congress but I just know Boehner [or whatever his name is] has no control of his house.

    We will seriously have to discuss the chained CPI to SS v. Medicare age increase v. CRAY CRAY plan to cut our earned benefits.

    2010 ELECTIONS had significant consequences on a local, state and federal level. I see there will be an attempt to repeat the wedge for 2014 to make sure the dems stay home. Plan for the GOP

  • GreenLadyHere

    miranda —MISSED THIS: – — :>) – –GOOD ON –OUR BELOVED —”GOLDEN GIRL” –”AIR GABBY” -:>) – - -

    – - -How Gabby Douglas Overcame Racism To Win Two Olympic Gold Medals – –

    – — At just 16 years old, American gymnast Gabby Douglas has already accomplished an incredible feat.

    She made history at the 2012 Summer Olympics in London when she became the first African-American woman to win gold medals in both the team gold and individual all-around competitions.

    Douglas told the New York Times she was confident in herself the entire time. “It was just an amazing feeling… I was just like, Believe, don’t fear, believe,” she said.
    - – -SNIP- – -

    –I’m like, `I just made history and people are focused on my hair?’ It can be bald or short, it doesn’t matter about (my) hair. Nothing is going to change. I’m going to wear my hair like this during beam and bar finals. You might as well just stop talking about it. – - -HAH! – - -Go GABBY! :>)
    – –SNIP — – -

    – -THIS – - ->Douglas overcame these obstacles gracefully and rose to greatness during the last Olympics.
    – –SNIP –

    – - -Now she can’t wait to compete again. Douglas has said that she plans to compete in the next Olympic games in 2016—and she wants to win more gold.

    - —OUR PRAYERS – -BLESSINGS annnd BEST WISHES – –DEAR SWEET “GABBY” – - –

  • rikyrah

    Chain of Fools
    By mistermix December 18th, 2012

    Even Kevin Drum, who thinks that some kind of compromise is necessary on Social Security, doesn’t like the chained CPI “compromise”:

    The only proposal being offered right now is to adopt chained CPI, full stop. As far as I’m concerned, that’s unacceptable, and no Democrat should even think about endorsing it. We can argue all day about whether Social Security needs rescuing in the first place, and if we decide it does, we can then argue about exactly which combination of measures would be fairest and best. But some things should be completely off the table, and passing a package that’s 100% benefit cuts is one of them. It’s ridiculous. This is really a no-brainer.

    I’ve refrained from following every twist and turn in the fiscal cliff negotiations, but the dynamics in the House are pretty clear. Boehner’s speakership has one foot on a banana peel and one foot in the grave, so it’s doubtful whether he can deliver votes on anything he agrees to. I’m sure Hey Pauly hey Pauly hey Pauly lets have a ball Ryan and the Tea Party debasers want to starve America’s grannies, but there are still some sane members of the caucus who realize that the only lobby more scary than the NRA, the AARP, will eat them for breakfast like stewed prunes if they cut Social Security. So, at best, what Boehner is offering is part of his caucus to form a coalition with of Democrats, and the minute that vote goes through, the Republicans who voted no will run to the microphones to remind their constituents that they didn’t vote to cut Social Security. Democrats are stupid, but I doubt they’re that stupid.

    Also, too: I thought the point of the fiscal cliff was to force Congress to compromise because the cuts in the fiscal cliff are deep and onerous. Maybe chained CPI isn’t deep, but it’s certainly onerous, compared to the other options for fixing Social Security, chief among which is raising the ceiling on the income subject to the Social Security tax.

    http://www.balloon-juice.com/2012/12/18/chain-of-fools-2/

  • GreenLadyHere

    miranda — –Another –BLACK HISTORY-IN-THE MAKING MOMENT -
    Woo! Hoo! :>)

    – - – -Physics Prodigy Graduates College At 18 – -

    - – –The Southern University at Baton Rouge graduated more than 500 bright students Friday, but perhaps none shone brighter than Polite Stewart (pictured). One of the college’s youngest graduates ever, Stewart is being heralded as a rising star in the physics research field. The 18-year-old cum laude graduate first entered Southern in 2004, after having excelled in the college’s Timbuktu Academy, a college readiness program. “He shined like the rising sun,” Dr. Diola Bagayoko, director of the Timbuktu Academy and chairman of Southern University’s Physics Department said, according to Southern University. – -

    — -CONGRATULATIONS!! —WE R PROUD of U. – –Woo! Hoo! –

    – –YOUNG –GIFTED annnd BLACK. – -:>)

    • conlakappa

      Thanks for the news! What an unfortunate placement on that page–you see what was deemed as next on the newsworthy scale by News One?

      • GreenLadyHere

        HEEY conlakappa. ***BIG HUG*** :>)

        I’m sooo sorry. I tried 2 delete it with NO LUCK. Annnd the other article di-ent have his PIC. :>) —

        Jus’ a NO WIN. :>)

        Good 2 C U conlakappa. :>)

        • conlakappa

          It’s not your fault that News One feels the need to be celebratory and then skeevy. Goodness knows we couldn’t focus on Polite’s too long! /eye-roll

  • http://pragmaticobotsunite.blogspot.com/ Sepia

    PBO to Boehner: “Umm…No.”

    White House Rejects Boehner’s Fiscal Cliff ‘Plan B’
    David Taintor 11:30 AM EST, Tuesday December 18, 2012

    White House Press Secretary Jay Carney released the following statement in response to House Speaker John Boehner’s (R-OH) “plan B” to avert the fiscal cliff:

    The President has put a balanced, reasonable proposal on the table that achieves significant deficit reduction and reflects real compromise by meeting the Republicans halfway on revenue and more than halfway on spending from where each side started. That is the essence of compromise. The parameters of a deal are clear, and the President is willing to continue to work with Republicans to reach a bipartisan solution that averts the fiscal cliff, protects the middle class, helps the economy, and puts our nation on a fiscally sustainable path. But he is not willing to accept a deal that doesn’t ask enough of the very wealthiest in taxes and instead shifts the burden to the middle class and seniors. The Speaker’s “Plan B” approach doesn’t meet this test because it can’t pass the Senate and therefore will not protect middle class families, and does little to address our fiscal challenges with zero spending cuts. The President is hopeful that both sides can work out remaining differences and reach a solution so we don’t miss the opportunity in front of us today.

    http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/white-house-rejects-boehners-fiscal-cliff-plan-b

  • http://pragmaticobotsunite.blogspot.com/ Sepia

    The Associated Press ‏@AP

    BREAKING: Justice Department: Petraeus mistress won’t be charged with cyberstalking in scandal.

  • http://pragmaticobotsunite.blogspot.com/ Sepia

    Obama’s new fiscal cliff offer would repeal the ‘doc-fix’
    Posted by Sarah Kliff on December 18, 2012 at 11:55 am

    In the White House’s latest “fiscal cliff” offer to House Speaker John Boehner, President Obama proposed a permanent repeal of Medicare’s sustainable growth rate alongside $400 billion health care savings, according to a source familiar with the talks.

    A permanent fix would come with a $245 billion price tag and it’s still unclear how – or if – Congress would pay for a policy meant to stabilize doctor salaries.

    For doctor groups, repealing the sustainable growth rate is something of a holy grail: This is the formula that determines how much Medicare providers get paid, by tethering their salaries to overall growth in the economy. This formula has, for a decade now, always fallen short of keeping doctor salaries stable. This year, if we stuck to what the sustainable growth rate says doctors should be paid, physicians would end up taking a 26.5 percent pay cut.

    MORE: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2012/12/18/obamas-new-fiscal-cliff-offer-would-repeal-the-doc-fix/

  • http://pragmaticobotsunite.blogspot.com/ Sepia

    Dick Durbin: No cut in Social Security benefits
    Posted by Greg Sargent on December 18, 2012 at 12:08 pm

    This may cheer liberals who are worried that the White House is giving too much ground to Republicans by proposing “Chained CPI” for Social Security as part of a final fiscal cliff deal — in effect agreeing to a cut in Social Security benefits.

    In an interview with me this morning Senator Dick Durbin, a top ally of the White House, told me he opposes including Chained CPI in the final deal unless it completely exempts Social Security. He said it would be difficult for Democrats to support Chained CPI for Social Security if it ended up in a final deal, though he said it was premature to say anything definitive about how they would vote.

    “We ought to deal with Social Security in a separate conversation that is not part of deficit reduction,” Durbin told me. “To do it at this stage is the wrong way to go.”

    Durbin has said this before, but it’s notable that he’s repeating it in the wake of the White House’s reported offer of a deal that includes Chained CPI for Social Security.

    MORE: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2012/12/18/dick-durbin-no-cut-in-social-security-benefits/

    ————————————————————————-

    The last paragraph is why the WH puts PLs on ignore. Despite Durbin telling Greg to his face that he opposes Chained CPI, he’s still casting doubt. If he and other PLs are gonna act like that, what’s the use of the WH and Dems talking to them?

    • Guns3000

      “We ought to deal with Social Security in a separate conversation that is not part of deficit reduction,” Durbin told me.

      That just means I don’t want to deal with it at all. It’s always later with Congress.

      That’s why we are in the present quagmire. The sequester was supposed to force their hand to do a deal but obviously not.

    • Ebogan63

      But still, folks on Twitter are losing their isht. I have always asked but not gotten a satisfactory answer from Greg and others: How is the WH gonna ‘cut’ SS and Medicare w/o Dems in the Senate and House? Just the same ol’ same ol’ from Greg, and why I maintain he’s full of shit.

  • rikyrah

    Wal-Mart plays role of ‘aggressive and creative corrupter’ in Mexico
    By Steve Benen – Tue Dec 18, 2012 10:15 AM EST.6

    We talked back in April about a stunning Wal-Mart scandal, uncovered by the New York Times’ David Barstow, who found evidence of the retail behemoth bribing public officials in Mexico. As it turns out, the larger controversy is sill unfolding.

    Wal-Mart longed to build in Elda Pineda’s alfalfa field. It was an ideal location, just off this town’s bustling main entrance and barely a mile from its ancient pyramids, which draw tourists from around the world. With its usual precision, Wal-Mart calculated it would attract 250 customers an hour if only it could put a store in Mrs. Pineda’s field.

    One major obstacle stood in Wal-Mart’s way.

    After years of study, the town’s elected leaders had just approved a new zoning map. The leaders wanted to limit growth near the pyramids, and they considered the town’s main entrance too congested already. As a result, the 2003 zoning map prohibited commercial development on Mrs. Pineda’s field, seemingly dooming Wal-Mart’s hopes.

    But 30 miles away in Mexico City, at the headquarters of Wal-Mart de Mexico, executives were not about to be thwarted by an unfavorable zoning decision.

    The zoning map wouldn’t be official until it was published in a government newspaper, so Wal-Mart apparently delivered a $52,000 bribe to a local bureaucrat who redrew the lines, changed the map in the company’s favor, and then sent it to the newspaper. Locals were outraged by the store, but never knew about the bribe that made it happen.

    http://maddowblog.msnbc.com/_news/2012/12/18/15993508-wal-mart-plays-role-of-aggressive-and-creative-corrupter-in-mexico?lite

  • Daltex82

    I’m not sure of the make of the white car Mr. Welburn is standing next to (Corvette perhaps), but it is one fine machine.

  • rikyrah

    The legendary Daniel Inuoye
    By Steve Benen – Tue Dec 18, 2012 8:00 AM EST

    Rachel mentioned this on the show last night, but I’d be remiss if I neglected to write an item on the passing of Sen. Daniel Inouye (D) of Hawaii, who died yesterday at the age of 88.

    Despite his extraordinary career and rank as the Senate’s president pro tempore, Inouye probably isn’t a household name, and that’s a genuine shame because he’s the kind of American hero who doesn’t come along often. Rachel noted that the senator lived a life “that reads like fiction and that earned him legendary status.” Here’s a portion of a Ken Burns documentary in which Inouye spoke about joining the U.S. military during World War II.

    The details of Inouye’s decorated combat service are truly extraordinary. In 1945, in firefight against Nazi soldiers, he was shot in the stomach, but continued to lead his platoon. On the same mission, when preparing to throw a grenade, his right arm was shot and shattered, so Inouye used his left arm to grab the grenade from his lifeless hand, throw it at the enemy, and take out a Nazi machine gun nest.

    Seriously.

    http://maddowblog.msnbc.com/_news/2012/12/18/15991487-the-legendary-daniel-inuoye?lite

    • Alma98

      Wow! Now that’s heroism!

      • Ebogan63

        The 442nd was no joke, Alma! If you see the great movie ‘Go for Broke’ you will understand why.

        • JojoRaze

          I researched about the 442–they won the most Purple Hearts in US History and they were ALL interned Japanese Americans. So when I hear repubs talmbout they need to get POC to see themselves as Americans to get votes, I just smh. They are totally clueless. The 442 fought for this country after their property and citizenship was stripped away.

      • Aquagranny911

        Just a tiny bit of levity but one of my brothers an ex-Marine told me that the most terrifying thing he had to deal with in training & combat was live grenades.

        He said this about Senator Inouye once:

        “Not to ever diminish the valor & courage of a fine soldier, but I would have thrown that grenade with my teeth to get it as far away from me as possible! Damn, the man had good aim!”

  • Miranda

    There is no way in the world this man would be alive if he were of color. He would have been shot down.
    ___________________________

    Man arrested after 50 shots fired in Calif. mall parking lot

    NEWPORT BEACH, Calif. — A man who fired about 50 shots in the parking lot of a crowded Southern California shopping mall, sending shoppers sprinting for safety, was cooperative when officers took him into custody, authorities said Sunday.

    Witnesses said people ran, screaming and ducking for cover, when 42-year-old Marcos Gurrola fired into the air and onto the ground Saturday afternoon near the Macy’s department store at the open-air Fashion Island mall in Newport Beach.

    He paused to reload several times, police said.

    more here
    http://news.msn.com/us/man-arrested-after-50-shots-fired-in-calif-mall-parking-lot

    • Alma98

      He’d be shot over a hundred times if he was a black man.

      • QOakaJP

        And that would be if he was UNarmed…

      • dannie22

        the police shot a couple 137 times in my hood and they had no weapons. when you have the complexion for the protection…

  • GreenLadyHere

    miranda – –HAH! — -MR. PRESIDENT say [in essence] — -I GOT YOUR — PLAN B[ullcrap!!]!!! —- -LOL

    – - -White House Rejects Boehner’s Fiscal Cliff ‘Plan B’

    – - –<i>White House Press Secretary Jay Carney released the following statement in response to House Speaker John Boehner’s (R-OH) “plan B” to avert the fiscal cliff:

    The President has put a balanced, reasonable proposal on the table that achieves significant deficit reduction and reflects real compromise by meeting the Republicans halfway on revenue and more than halfway on spending from where each side started. That is the essence of compromise. The parameters of a deal are clear, and the President is willing to continue to work with Republicans to reach a bipartisan solution that averts the fiscal cliff, protects the middle class, helps the economy, and puts our nation on a fiscally sustainable path. But he is not willing to accept a deal that doesn’t ask enough of the very wealthiest in taxes and instead shifts the burden to the middle class and seniors. The Speaker’s “Plan B” approach doesn’t meet this test because it can’t pass the Senate and therefore will not protect middle class families, and does little to address our fiscal challenges with zero spending cuts. The President is hopeful that both sides can work out remaining differences and reach a solution so we don’t miss the opportunity in front of us today.

    – - -Soooo – - -THANKS – –BUT – -NO THANKS!!

    Annnd BTW — I’m the PRESIDENT! — -THAT’S ALL! :>) —

  • GreenLadyHere

    miranda — –LOL – - -Soma the DEMS ALSO SAID: – —WE GOT YOUR “PLAN –B[ullCRAP!] – - -HAH! – –

    – - -House Republicans’ Plan B Ploy — And Why Dems Are Rejecting It- -

    – - – -Whether or not House Speaker John Boehner (R-OH) and President Obama shake hands on a deal to avoid the so-called fiscal cliff at the end of the year, House Republicans plan to pass what they’re calling “Plan B.”

    What’s “Plan B”?
    Per Boehner, at a Tuesday morning press conference, flanked by his leadership team: “[It] would protect American taxpayers who make $1 million or less, and have all of their current rates extended.”

    — The plan serves twin purposes: to provide Republicans much-needed cover in the event that Congress can’t avoid all the austerity measures that take effect next year; and to apply some pressure to President Obama to provide more revenue and spending concessions to Republicans in broader budget negotiations.

    Leading Democrats — including, notably, Sen. Chuck Schumer (D-NY) and House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi — have in the recent past proposed setting the threshold for the expiration of the Bush tax cuts at incomes above $1 million. “Plan B” is, in a similar spirit, designed to rob Democrats of their argument that Republicans are holding middle-income tax cuts hostage for millionaires and billionaires.
    – - – -SNIP – - – -
    – - -“Speaker Boehner’s ‘plan B’ is the farthest thing from a balanced approach,” said Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV). “It will not protect middle class families because it cannot pass both Houses of Congress. The Senate bill is the only ‘plan B’ that can be signed into law and prevent taxes from rising by $2,200 on the average middle-class family.

    TELL ‘EM – -Mr. Harry!! – - –HAH! – - -

    – —Another PLAN – - -”BITES. . . .” LOL – -

  • Alma98

    Try this again. Good afternoon, It’s snowing!

  • rikyrah

    I’ll say it and yeah, I mean it…

    if this was a LITTLE BLACK BOY BRINGING A GUN TO SCHOOL, the first call would have been to POLICE to have the child ARRESTED.

    wouldn’t have mattered if there had been a gang related shooting everyday of the week since since school started, his Black behind would have been carted off the jail – AND CHARGED AS AN ADULT.

    The next call would have been to CHILD AND FAMILY SERVICES.

    ………………………………….

    Sixth Grader Brings Gun To School, Says Parents Told Him To Carry It For Protection After Newtown Shootings
    by Anjali Sareen | 12:54 pm, December 18th, 201

    A sixth grader in Utah told classmates yesterday his parents encouraged him to bring a gun to school in the wake of the Sandy Hook tragedy. He was apprehended by teachers after he was found with an unloaded .22 caliber rifle, according to local station, Fox 13.

    The student remains unidentified, but is described as an 11-year-old boy at West Kearns Elementary School, in a suburb of Salt Lake City. He reportedly took the gun out of his backpack during recess Monday afternoon and showed it to classmates. Isabel Rios, a fellow student, told teachers he pointed the gun at her head and said he was going to kill her.

    A spokesman for the school district told Fox 13 that although they were not notified immediately, teachers apprehended the student in “30 to 45 seconds” once they were alerted to the weapon. He was then taken to the principal’s office.

    Local parents, however, aren’t satisfied with the school’s reaction. John Klaus, a father, complained, “There was no lockdown. No one was called. Nothing was done. And then we had to hear it from our kids.”

    The administrators say there was no lockdown because the situation was resolved immediately and more importantly, they feared startling students. Police were called to determine the boy’s parents’ involvement in the incident and he was taken to juvenile hall.

    Sixth Grader Brings Gun To School, Says Parents Told Him To Carry It For Protection After Newtown Shootings
    by Anjali Sareen | 12:54 pm, December 18th, 201

    A sixth grader in Utah told classmates yesterday his parents encouraged him to bring a gun to school in the wake of the Sandy Hook tragedy. He was apprehended by teachers after he was found with an unloaded .22 caliber rifle, according to local station, Fox 13.

    The student remains unidentified, but is described as an 11-year-old boy at West Kearns Elementary School, in a suburb of Salt Lake City. He reportedly took the gun out of his backpack during recess Monday afternoon and showed it to classmates. Isabel Rios, a fellow student, told teachers he pointed the gun at her head and said he was going to kill her.

    A spokesman for the school district told Fox 13 that although they were not notified immediately, teachers apprehended the student in “30 to 45 seconds” once they were alerted to the weapon. He was then taken to the principal’s office.

    Local parents, however, aren’t satisfied with the school’s reaction. John Klaus, a father, complained, “There was no lockdown. No one was called. Nothing was done. And then we had to hear it from our kids.”

    The administrators say there was no lockdown because the situation was resolved immediately and more importantly, they feared startling students. Police were called to determine the boy’s parents’ involvement in the incident and he was taken to juvenile hall.

  • rikyrah

    December 18, 2012
    Curing Krugman’s agony
    Reading Krugman’s blogging about proposed and counterproposed fiscal-cliff deals is like reading a day-to-day history of the Korean War peace negotiations–”I’m agonizing, big time; as of last night I was marginally positive, right now marginally negative”–so I’d like to offer, to Prof. Krugman, this advice. Endorse no compromise. Not this time.

    Ordinarily I’m a big defender of the art. Compromise is, after all, the essence of politics, notwithstanding the intensity of the far right’s and activist progressives’ commonplace exhortations to just fight, fight, fight to the bitter end, which are more pretentious than strategic.

    In today’s circumstances, however, I find myself among their ranks, although not for ideological or idealistic reasons. Rather, I believe we’ve arrived at a critically decisive juncture with respect to the essence of governance and raw power, much as Lincoln did in 1861–a juncture at which he could either compromise the Union into oblivion, or he could crush the South into submission.

    ……………………………..

    So screw ‘em. No compromise, no life rafts, no concessions from which they’ll only triumphantly wave freshly bloodied shirts. Let them sweat it out. And then you, Prof. Krugman, can stop agonizing.

    http://pmcarpenter.blogs.com/p_m_carpenters_commentary/

  • GreenLadyHere

    miranda — -LOL – - —LIKE RATS — -LEAVIN’ a – –SINKIN’ SHIP!! – —

    – –INVESTMENT FIRM DROPS STAKE IN BUSHMASTER AS N.R.A. FACES CHALLENGE TO POWER IN FACE OF NEWTOWN – -

    – — -ABC News is reporting this morning that a major investment firm said today it is dropping its stake in the group of companies that includes the manufacturer of the assault-style rifle that officials said was used in last week’s rampage at a Connecticut elementary school. Calling the shooting a “watershed event” in the national debate on gun control, Cerberus Capital, a New York-based firm that manages over $20 billion, said in a statement Tuesday it planned to sell off its investment in the Freedom Group. Freedom Group bills itself as a “family” of more than a dozen firearm companies including Bushmaster Firearms. Officials said it was a Bushmaster assault-style rifle, the civilian version of the military’s M-16, that 20-year-old Adam Lanza used in a majority of the rampage that took the lives of 20 children and six adults at Sandy Hook Elementary School Friday morning.

    “It is not our role to take positions, or attempt to shape or influence the gun control policy debate. That is the job of our federal and state legislators,” Cerberus said today. “There are, however, actions that we as a firm can take. Accordingly, we have determined to immediately engage in a formal process to sell our investment in Freedom Group… Our thoughts and prayers are with the families and communities impacted by this tragic event.” Bushmaster has not responded to an emailed request for comment from ABC News and has not addressed the deadly incident on its website as of this report. Cerberus’ move comes as investigators said they will be going back to the beginning — back to the day Adam Lanza was born and the day the Bushmaster was manufactured — in an attempt to figure out what may have caused the troubled young man to so easily get his hands on such a deadly weapon.
    THERE IS MORE.

    — -Seeee – –as MR. PRESIDENT STATED – — THERE MUST B a COMPREHENSIVE SOLUTION 2 GUN VIOLENCE. – –

    THIS is ONE EXAMPLE of CONTRIBUTING 2 the SOLUTION. [Though they may have other investments which could B DROPPED; THIS is a STEP in the RIGHT DIRECTION.] — – -:>)

  • creolechild

    Good afternoon POU.

    Pre-K on the Range

    [....] Despite growing evidence of the benefits of early education, nationwide only 28 percent of four-year-olds are enrolled in public pre-K. Among three-year-olds, a paltry 4 percent are enrolled in a public educational program. The numbers could decrease even more as pre-K falls victim to recessionary belt-tightening. States have already cut $90 million from education for three- and four-year-olds over the past two years. Eleven states provide no program at all. Oklahoma has bucked the national trend.

    Seventy-four percent of four-year-olds—more than in any other state—are in high-quality pre-K. Virtually every parent who wants a spot can get one,[....]
    The effort has been so thorough and so widely embraced that, in effect, public school in Oklahoma begins at age four.

    Oklahoma’s pre-K teachers don’t make the piddling wages that prevail in much of the rest of the country. They’re paid the same as elementary and high-school teachers. Christie Housley, along with all other pre-K teachers in Oklahoma, has not only a bachelor’s degree but also certification in early-childhood education—so she knows how young kids typically learn to read, she can recognize the disabilities that tend to emerge at this age, and she understands the best ways to handle behavior problems. State law also mandates that pre-K teachers not have more than 20 students in their classroom and that they have an aide.[....]

    Read more: http://prospect.org/article/pre-k-range

    H/T Sharon Lerner

    • Aquagranny911

      WooHoo & good for them but I would ask what are they teaching the children? Especially when one of their nutbuckets in the state legislature wants to have teachers armed & trained for combat.

      This could be a good model for the rest of the country.

      • creolechild

        Here’s an excerpt, Aqua:

        He focuses intensely on signing in, writing the four letters of his name with a crayon as his dad crouches behind him. When he’s asked the question of the day—“Do you like music?”—he pauses for a minute before putting his magnetic nameplate in the “no” section.

        John’s third day of pre-kindergarten will be filled with more questions. Since yesterday was the 20th and tomorrow is the 22nd, what day is today? Can he pick out the card with the number 21 written on it? If the colors go pink, blue, pink, blue, what comes next in the pattern? How many of his friends are in school today? Can he think of a word that rhymes with dog?

        • Aquagranny911

          Good stuff! This is what Head Start does when they can. Sorry, I just can’t trust Oklahoma not to put their brand of Christianista & science denial into teaching. There are just too many Repugnant goatfiggers in charge there & some are just bat guano crazy.

          I weep for what has been done to Head Start over the years. This national program of out reach for young children especially the most disadvantaged has been vilified, gutted & defunded. I worked with them in the early days when we thought this would be the beginning & a model for all children nation wide.

          • JojoRaze

            There was a This American Life episode about OK’s UPK program and it isn’t wingnutty at all. It was all about how a business guy, who was tired of not getting good hires, and a government legislator, basically tricked the legislature into starting this program. It was very funny and sad that they basically had to trick the legislature into passing it. However, once it was passed, the results were pretty immediate and the legislature was like “Oh well, it works! No harm, no foul that we got bamboozled into it.

  • rikyrah

    Yesterday at 6:35 PM
    McArdle Wins Worst Newtown Reaction Award
    By Jonathan Chait

    In what can only be seen as a malicious plot by Newsweek’s editors [Update: this is a long blog post, not a magazine piece] to ensure Megan McArdle’s reputation does not outlive Newsweek, the Daily Beast has published a 4,000 word essay by its new hire on how to stop massacres like last Friday’s. McArdle begins her essay with a prescient harbinger (“There just aren’t good words to talk about Newtown.”) but recovers to churn out a fairly standard libertarian argument about why various government remedies won’t work. And it’s true, to some extent, that various regulatory solutions all have complications.

    The problem comes at the end when, having dismissed the standard liberal regulatory measures as unworkable, she has to propose her own solution. This is what McArdle comes up with:

    I’d also like us to encourage people to gang rush shooters, rather than following their instincts to hide; if we drilled it into young people that the correct thing to do is for everyone to instantly run at the guy with the gun, these sorts of mass shootings would be less deadly, because even a guy with a very powerful weapon can be brought down by 8-12 unarmed bodies piling on him at once.

    Are you kidding me? You think gun control is impractical, so your plan is to turn the entire national population, including young children, into a standby suicide squad? Through private initiative, of course. It’s way more feasible than gun control!

    http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2012/12/newsweek-wins-worst-newtown-reaction-award.html

    • Aquagranny911

      …”And Jesus wept”……..

  • creolechild

    FTC Orders Data Brokers To Reveal More Info, Including A Facebook Partner

    The Federal Trade Commission on Tuesday announced it is ordering nine so-called “data broker” agencies, companies that traffic in consumer purchasing and demographics information, to turn over more detailed plans of how they collect their consumer data. The FTC is concerned about a “lack of transparency” from data brokers and notes that “consumers are often unaware of the existence of data brokers as well as the purposes for which they collect and use consumers’ data.”[....]

    Read more: http://idealab.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/12/ftc-orders-data-brokers-to-reveal-more-info-including-facebook-partner.php?ref=fpnewsfeed

    H/T Carl Franzen

  • rikyrah

    Michigan’s Snyder pays a price for anti-union law
    By Steve Benen – Tue Dec 18, 2012 12:06 PM EST

    A week before Election Day, Michigan Gov. Rick Snyder’s (R) political standing looked quite good. He enjoyed a 47% approval rating and fairly comfortable leads against prospective Democratic challengers.

    A lot can happen in a month. Since that poll was taken, the Republican governor abandoned his promise to voters and signed a brutal anti-union law, described by the right as a “right to work” measure. A new survey from Public Policy Polling shows the decision has taken a severe toll on Snyder’s public standing.

    The PPP results show Snyder’s approval rating down to just 38%, while 56% disapprove, which suddenly makes him one of the nation’s least popular governors. What’s more, a 51% majority disapprove of the anti-union law Snyder promised not to pursue, but which he signed last week.

    Making matters slightly worse for the Republican, in hypothetical matchups, Snyder “trails every Democrat we tested against him,” even though the leading Democratic candidates aren’t especially well known statewide (not one has name recognition above 50%).

    Even Snyder’s brand is shot. You may recall that he ran as a moderate technocrat with no interest in his party’s culture war, describing himself as a “tough nerd.” PPP found less than a third of Michigan voters consider the governor a “tough nerd” now.

    http://maddowblog.msnbc.com/_news/2012/12/18/15995368-michigans-snyder-pays-a-price-for-anti-union-law?lite

    • Aquagranny911

      Snyder will be lucky if the people of Michigan do not drag his sorry ass out & feed him to feral cats!

  • dannie22
    • Miranda

      I could like him more if his life plans for reaching the highest office weren’t so damn blatant. He irritates me.

    • MsKitty

      Meh. As usual when I vote for a state candidate, it will likely be with a clothespin on my nose. A little less “me” and a little more “we” would go a long way, maybe Mr. Booker will get a clue in that area.

    • http://pragmaticobotsunite.blogspot.com/ Sepia

      Narcissistic jackass.

  • creolechild

    Community health centers rise up from toxic brownfields Posted 12/12/2012

    If poor communities aren’t living in the shadow of active industrial pollution, they’re often living in its graveyard. Industrial polluted brownfields are fenced and festering from California to Maine, frequently situated near low-income residents. When developers come to clean up and build on the sites, too often they plan projects that will push out rather than benefit the people who live nearby.

    But today The New York Times points to a different kind of trend in brownfields development: building health centers for low-income local residents on sites formerly occupied by meatpacking plants, gas stations, and factories. These kinds of projects stand to bolster communities, not just property values, and they’re still serious investment opportunities for health-care companies.[....]

    Read more: http://grist.org/news/community-health-centers-rise-up-from-toxic-brownfields/

    H/T Susie Cagle

  • creolechild

    Report: Only 9 states carried out executions in 2012

    Only nine of the 50 US states carried out executions in 2012, the fewest in 20 years and the latest indication of a decline in the use of capital punishment, a report said Tuesday. The study by the Death Penalty Information Center found that the number of new sentences had declined by 75 percent from a peak in 1996, with just four states accounting for over three-quarters of executions nationwide.[....]

    This year Connecticut became the 17th state to abolish the death penalty. More than half of US states — 29 in all — either have no death penalty or have not carried out an execution in the last five years, the report said. The total number of executions in 2012 — 43 — was the same as in 2011, but was less than half that in 1999, which saw the highest number of executions since the Supreme Court reinstated the death penalty in 1976.[....]

    Read more: http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/12/18/report-only-9-states-carried-out-executions-in-2012/

    H/T Agence France-Presse

  • nellcote
  • Miranda

    Afternoon thread is up!

  • GreenLadyHere

    miranda — – -MR.PRESIDENT —CONTINUES 2 WORK – –on the GUN VIOLENCE/CONTROL ISSUE — -

    - – –Obama’s push on gun violence begins to take shape – –

    - — -President Barack Obama would actively support an impending proposal next year to reinstate a ban on assault weapons as part of the wide-ranging effort the president promised to initiate in response to mass shooting incidents this year.

    The contours of Obama’s plan to address mounting gun violence begun to take shape in the nation’s capital as the White House started to outline some of the specific measures the administration would favor as part of its new initiative.

    White House press secretary Jay Carney said that President Barack Obama supports the thrust of California Sen. Dianne Feinstein’s forthcoming legislation to reinstate a ban on assault weapons, which expired in 2004. Carney said that the president was additionally willing to consider limiting the capacity of ammunition magazines and closing a loophole allowing individuals to purchase firearms at gun shows without a background check.
    – - –SNIP – –
    A steady trickle of pro-gun Democrats have begun to express their willingness to consider reinstating the assault weapons ban, which expired in 2004 without any serious efforts for renewal. West Virginia Sen. Joe Manchin — whom Obama called Tuesday — appeared in a 2010 campaign ad shooting a copy of the environmental cap-and-trade bill; now, Manchin said every option should be “on the table.”

    THERE IS MORE.

    –MR. PRESIDENT– HAS A RIGHTEOUS PLAN! — – -:>) –

  • creolechild

    No shame whatsoever…

    Bain Joins Goldman to Urge Dismissal of Bid-Rigging Suit

    Goldman Sachs Group Inc., and Bain Capital Partners LLC are among companies that urged a federal judge to reject investor claims that buyout firms and their bankers colluded to rig bids on takeovers. The defendants, who also include Blackstone Group LP, Carlyle Group, KKR & Co., Apollo Global Management LLC and JPMorgan Chase & Co., argued today before U.S. District Judge Edward Harrington in Boston that the lawsuit by shareholders in acquired companies should be dismissed.[....]

    [....]The plaintiffs, who also include the police and fire department pension funds of Detroit and Omaha, Nebraska, will seek class certification if the case survives the bid to have it dismissed. The cases are Dahl v. Bain Capital, 08-10254, and Klein v. Bain Capital, 07-12388, U.S. District Court, District of Massachusetts (Boston).

    Read more: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-12-18/bain-joins-goldman-to-urge-dismissal-of-bid-rigging-suit.html

    H/T Don Jeffrey, David McLaughlin & Janelle Lawrence

  • Ebogan63

    21st CENTURY | Bill ‏@Political_Bill

    STRATEGY: What we’re hearing about negotiations is simply rhetorical, save outrage until we know what the actual deal is, & what it means.

  • Guns3000

    Nine News Organizations Sent a Letter to Romney Campaign Challenging Expenses

    Six weeks after the election, nine news outlets are questioning the financial propriety of the Romney campaign after receiving several exorbitant bills. The news organizations, which include the New York Times, the Washington Post, BuzzFeed and the Los Angeles Times, wrote a letter to the campaign, asking for detailed price breakdowns of any event that cost them $200 or more. While it’s normal for campaigns to bill media outlets for various expenses, including food and travel costs, the Romney campaign’s charges seem excessive by almost any standard.

    As BuzzFeed reported last week, each reporter was charged $812 on October 11 for a single meal and a spot in a rented “holding place,” a spot for the press to wait before the next event. The letter cites similar charges of “$461 for a meal and hold the next day; $345 for food and hold Oct. 30.” The Romney campaign also billed news outlets $745 per reporter for a “viewing party,” which included massage tables and fresh cut flowers, during the first vice-presidential debate.

    http://gawker.com/5969308/news-organizations-send-letter-to-romney-campaign-challenging-exorbitant-expenses

  • Camille

    I am going to go out on a whim and make this pronouncement:

    Chris Christie will implode by the time this is all over.

    What a shame there isn’t any true public servant willing to take on this obnoxious, incompetent, fat bully.

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