August 20, 2014

Tuesday Open Thread: Famous Depictions of African-American Stereotypes and Blackface

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Fred “Snowflake” Toones (January 5, 1906 – February 13, 1962) was an African-American film actor comedian of the early sound era.

Because of the sheer number of movies he appeared in, Toones is one of the most prolific character faces in B-Westerns and cliffhangers. He appeared in over 200 films between 1928 and 1951; and between 1936 and 1947, Toones worked under contract for Republic Pictures, appearing in about 40 of its films.

His standard characterization was that of a middle-aged “colored” man with a high-pitched voice and childlike demeanor. Like ‘Curly’ Howard and Tommy ‘Tiny’ Lister, who followed the tradition of using an antonymous nickname as both their professional name and character name, “Snowflake” was the distinct stage name Toones was best known by, and he used this name as his credit as early as his third film, 1931’s Shanghaied Love. Likewise, in Shanghaied Love and over 35 other films, “Snowflake” was also Toones’ character name.

Toones acted in films such as Mississippi (1935), Hawk of the Wilderness (1938) and Daredevils of the Red Circle (1939) with Bruce Bennett and in many “B” westerns such as The Lawless Nineties (1936) with John Wayne. He also appeared in dozens of two-reelers such as Columbia’s Woman Haters (1934) with the Three Stooges, and had a bit role in Laurel and Hardy’s classic feature Way Out West (1937). Toones is also a familiar face in four Preston Sturges comedies: 20th century (1934), Remember the Night (1940), Christmas in July (1940) and The Palm Beach Story (1942).

Toones first appeared as a porter in 1932 in The Hurricane Express, and was usually typecast as a porter – appearing in over 50 films in such a role. He also played a variety of other service-oriented or domestic worker roles such as stable grooms, janitors, elevator operators, valets, cooks, bellhops, doormen, butlers, and bartenders.  Like Robert Dudley, Anna May Wong, Franklin Pangborn, Ramón Novarro, Nat Pendleton and others, Toones is a prime example of racial and social stereotyping in the Hollywood film industry.

Toones played a bootblack or shoeshine man in at least six of his movies, and in film director William Witney’s autobiography, Witney reveals that in addition to playing bit parts, Toones actually ran the shoeshine stand at Republic Studios.

His being cast in only comedic bit parts and small non-supporting roles meant that his efforts were more often than not uncredited (of 210 films where he made an appearance, he was credited in 73 of them), as was the norm for bit players in Hollywood at the time. For example, Robert Dudley (who appeared in two movies with Toones: The Palm Beach Story and Mr. Smith Goes to Washington) made 93 films between 1930 and 1951 – many times playing a millionaire, doctor, judge, scientist, minister or lawman – but was credited in only eight of them. In contrast, character actor Stepin Fetchit made only 53 films (one-quarter as many as Toones) playing the same kind of parts as Toones, but received credit in nearly every one of them.

Toones died on February 13, 1962 in Los Angeles, California.

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  • rigoletta

    Good morning everybody.

    • sagittarius

      Good morning, rigoletta!

      • crazycanuck

        Good Morning sag and rigoletta. Have a great one.

        • sagittarius

          Morning, cc!

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        • qosine

          It’s your special day, cc?
          Happy Birthday to You!!

          • crazycanuck

            yes it is, right after thanksgiving this year. I’m celebrating with turkey for breakfast lmao.

          • qosine

            Turkey for breakfast!!

        • http://pragmaticobotsunite.blogspot.com/ Sepia

          Happy Birthday CC!

        • Alma98

          Happy birthday cc!

        • TyrenM

          Happy Happy BIIIRRRTHHDAAYYYYYYYYYY!!

          Enjoy yourself today…and tonight.

        • MsKitty

          Happy Birthday CC. Hope your Thanksgiving was fab too.

        • rikyrah

          HAPPY BIRTHDAY, CC!!

        • rigoletta

          Happy Birthday!

        • vulcan_girl

          Happy birthday!

        • sagittarius

          Happy birthday, cc!

        • PBomb

          Happy Birthday!

    • http://pragmaticobotsunite.blogspot.com/ Sepia

      Mornin’ Rigoletta and POU!

      • Alma98

        Good morning Sepia!

      • sagittarius

        Morning, Sepia!

    • GreenLadyHere
    • rikyrah

      Good Morning, rigoletta and everyone :)

    • qosine

      Good Morning rigoletta and POU fam!

      • sagittarius

        Morning, qosine!

    • Alma98

      Morning rigoletta.

    • MsKitty

      Good morning rigoletta and fam. Slowly catching up after being unplugged all weekend (just needed a breather from all the lunacy of late).

      • Alma98

        Morning MsKitty.

      • sagittarius

        Morning, MsKitty!

  • sagittarius

    Good morning, Fam!

    Have a spectacular day!

    • GreenLadyHere
      • sagittarius

        Good morning, GLH **BIG HUG**

        Blessings to you and yours, too!

    • rikyrah

      Good Morning, sag.
      Positive thoughts being sent your way.

      • sagittarius

        Good morning, rikyrah! Thanks — and I send the same to you!

    • Alma98

      Good morning sagi! You have a great day too!

      • sagittarius

        Good morning, Alma!

        • Alma98

          Hey!

  • http://pragmaticobotsunite.blogspot.com/ Sepia

    Holy war in Harlem: Pastors want Al Sharpton out

    Four prominent clergymen invited over 100 churches to unify in an attempt dethrone Reverend Al Sharpton.

    By Simone Weichselbaum/NEW YORK DAILY NEWS
    Monday, October 14, 2013, 2:30 AM

    The prince of the pulpit may have a revolution on his hands.

    Four upstart clergymen have invited more than 100 churches to knock Rev. Al Sharpton off his Harlem political throne.

    Speak Out Say It Loud, headquartered at Mount Neboh Baptist Church on Adam Clayton Powell Blvd., is a new coalition of black ministers
    determined to create a unified African-American power base with citywide clout.

    Mount Neboh pastor Johnnie Green, 51, said Sharpton has neglected black New York while pursuing national fame and acclaim.

    “While (Sharpton) is jet-setting around the country, people are going
    to our churches saying they don’t have money to eat,” the Dallas native
    said. “People need somebody to fight for them.”

    Green, along with pastors Carl Washington of New Mount Zion Baptist
    Church on W. 140th St., Kris Erskine of Bethany Baptist Church on W.
    153rd St. and Patrick Young of First Baptist Church of East Elmhurst,
    Queens, has planned a large rally for Oct. 24 at Mount Neboh.

    The group expects more than 1,500 supporters to attend.

    Green and his allies argue that Sharpton has spent too much time
    plugging his new book, “The Rejected Stone,” and tending to his MSNBC show.

    Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/holy-war-harlem-pastors-al-sharpton-article-1.1484356#ixzz2hnHYGW89
    —————————————————————————-

    If their parishsoners are starving, then they need to hold a food drive instead of an anti-Sharpton Rally.

    • rigoletta

      I’m sorry am I missing something here?

      Why aren’t their efforts directed towards the actual elected officials who are responsible for policy in the city?

      • jziglar

        Because some black people like to give other black people a hard time. They hold our people to the highest standards while giving white people a pass. We see it with President Obama and now Al Sharpton.

      • conlakappa

        Follow the money… I would bet dollars to doughnuts this group’s members spent time in the pulpit pushing ideas that were outside the normal pastoral endeavors.

    • rikyrah

      excuse me, but since when did Rev. Sharpton become a replacement for their elected officials?

    • qosine

      Well, why don’t they read his book? I am.
      Rev. Al talks about wanting to be a national civil rights leader, not the pastor of a megachurch nor holder of political office.
      He said he knows his lane.

      As a “rejected stone,” he discovered he needed to know what
      he wanted to be and keep that focus, and the mistakes he’s
      made along that way. That’s just in the first 3 chapters.

      Do they feel slighted in his book? Mad because he remained
      neutral between Thompson and DeBlasio. I just think it’s
      interesting that this comes out right after his book is published.
      I just saw your remark, Miranda re: publicity stunt makes sense.

      • GreenLadyHere

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    • Miranda

      If these felonious kneegrows dont go somewhere and sit down with this obvious publicity stunt…..

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    • Town

      “While (Sharpton) is jet-setting around the country, people are going to our churches saying they don’t have money to eat,” the Dallas native said. “People need somebody to fight for them.”
      ————–

      Then why isn’t your church holding a food drive?

      Who’s paying Johnnie Green & the others?

      • itgurl_29

        I would say Tavis but he doesn’t have any kind of money.

        • conlakappa

          His sponsors do. Hmmm, did these churches hold “buy a house with no money down!!” events at which Crab was featured?

    • Alma98

      Rev. AL is rotfl at these trifling negroes.
      They’re looking for a come up is all. If things are so bad why aren’t they helping their congregations? How about you forgo being paid to help them out? Yeah I didn’t think so.

    • http://oldhollywood.net/ woody45

      Washington ain’t got nothing on the low down dirty politics that go on from time to time in the Black church.

    • Daltex82

      Good luck with that. I guess working with Rev. Al is not an option when you want the spotlight, money, recognition and TV face time all to yourselves.

      Check the money behind this effort. This reeks of a monied (cough Bloomberg, Koch cough) effort to stem the influence of Rev. Al.

    • aleth

      Power is being consolidated while they obsess about sharpton and Obama. Idiots. We don’t know how to leverage power but sure know how to be crabs in a barrel tearing each other down. Gentrification is killing Harlem

  • rikyrah

    Crisis and Leadership: Lessons from Barack Obama

    Tuesday, October 15, 2013 | Posted by Spandan C at 5:28 AM

    For the longest time, the press and the Republicans have whined that in the current government shutdown and impending default threats, President Obama has failed to lead. You cannot turn on any 24-hour cable news channel without hearing some pundit whining about the lack of presidential leadership. Even those who correctly place the blame on the Republicans for the suicide-bombing caucus inflicted wound on America don’t miss a chance to brandish their pundit credentials by charging President Obama as MIA in a leadership role.

    They base this accusation on the fact that the president has refused to negotiate with a gun to America’s head and to pay ransom to the Tea Party. What these pundits miss is that that refusal is the leadership the president needed to provide at this critical juncture in history, and he has passed that test with flying colors.

    Think about this with a long term view. Seeing the presidency slip from them, the far Right radical Republicans are attempting to write a dangerous new norm into American policymaking: government by extortion. They are trying to normalize the behavior of a fringe to demand ransom for the simple fact that Congress would do its job. The idea is to get with extortion what they could not – and likely have decided no longer can – win at the ballot box, or they break the government and wreck the world economy. They are trying to turn democracy on its head.

    This cannot be allowed to happen. America cannot indefinitely continue to govern by manufactured crises, or give into extortion to end one such crisis only until another is manufactured. We especially cannot accept that a small fringe can manipulate the political process to effectively end a law that they cannot outright repeal.

    And so, the president’s job, as not simply the head of government but the leader of our republic, is not to attempt to Congress’ job for them. The president’s job is to ensure that the American form of government – a representative democracy – is protected not just for his presidency but for future presidents and future Congresses. What the president needed to do as a leader is to crush the forces of government by extortion and make them understand, once and for all, America does not negotiate with economic terrorists.

    http://www.thepeoplesview.net/2013/10/crisis-and-leadership-lessons-from.html

  • rikyrah

    Don’t Complain About the Size of the Rout

    by BooMan
    Mon Oct 14th, 2013 at 11:47:54 PM EST

    I see a lot of progressives bitching about the outlines of a deal that hasn’t even been finalized, yet. But I don’t think they are focused on the right things. There is a real lost opportunity here, and it’s a victim of the plan to jam the House Republicans. Basically, the idea is that the Senate will chew up all the available time before the Thursday deadline and pass something that gives Speaker Boehner a choice between passing a bill with mostly Democratic votes or being responsible for a financial armageddon. That’s a solid plan.
    The thing is, if Speaker Boehner needs House Democrats’ votes, then House Democrats should have the right to make demands. But they will be just as jammed up as the Speaker. They will be in same boat, unable to amend the bill for fear of causing a financial calamity through delay. This limits how much the Democrats can gain from the Republicans’ hubris.

    I don’t think we should be pissed about this, exactly, but it is worth lamenting. The victory could have been bigger.

    The deal itself, as it has been outlined, is not too bad. It doesn’t officially remove the Republicans’ ability to reprise another debt ceiling crisis, nor does it preclude them from causing another government shutdown. But the Democrats will be only too happy to go through this process again next year, closer to the midterm elections. If the Republicans haven’t learned their lesson, the electoral consequences will be quite rewarding for the Democrats.

    http://www.boomantribune.com/story/2013/10/14/234754/95

  • rikyrah

    MILWAUKEE — The son of a slain Sikh temple president plans to challenge U.S. Rep. Paul Ryan in next year’s congressional election, in a Wisconsin district where support for the 2012 Republican vice presidential nominee has been strong but slipping.

    Amar Kaleka, 35, told The Associated Press he’ll file paperwork Wednesday to form an exploratory congressional committee. He plans to formally announce his candidacy as a Democrat next month.

    Kaleka said he wants to bring accountability and transparency back to Washington. He blamed the government shutdown on Ryan, who’s the House Budget Committee chairman, and his GOP colleagues. He said citizens are tired of career politicians who care more about staying in power than serving the people…

    Kaleka’s father, Satwant Singh Kaleka, was a small-business owner who founded the Sikh Temple of Wisconsin in suburban Milwaukee. On Aug. 5, 2012, a white supremacist walked into the temple and opened fire, killing Kaleka and five others before taking his own life. The FBI was unable to determine a motive….

    Kaleka knows he’d be taking on a formidable candidate. Ryan has so much political clout that he raised $1.7 million in the first six months of the year, nearly three times more than any other member of Wisconsin’s congressional delegation.

    Kaleka hopes to counter in part by tapping into the wealthy Indian and Arabic communities that he said encouraged him to run in the first place. If he can demonstrate his fundraising chops he expects the national Democratic Party, which he said supports his candidacy, to step in with another $1 million to $2 million…

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/apnewsbreak-son-of-slain-sikh-leader-to-challenge-ex-vp-candidate-ryan-for-wis-us-house-seat/2013/10/14/e503777e-34f3-11e3-89db-8002ba99b894_story.html

  • GreenLadyHere

    - –GOOD Tuesday Morntin’ –PBOMB♥/POU FAM♥ —***BIG HUG** –Sooo lookin FORWARD 2 THIS SERIES :>) –THANK U. — – — – —☻“TOONES” -VERY VERSATILEToones is one of the most prolific character faces in B-Westerns and cliffhangers.
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  • Miranda

    SMH…Boehner is completely impotent…Cruz has flat out knocked him over and taken the GOP House. SMH….
    ———————————–
    Ted Cruz, House Republicans Meet in Secret at Tortilla Coast
    By Matt Fuller Posted at 12:06 a.m. Oct. 15

    Sen. Ted Cruz met with roughly 15 to 20 House Republicans for around two hours late Monday night at the Capitol Hill watering hole Tortilla Coast.

    The group appeared to be talking strategy about how they should respond to a tentative Senate deal to reopen the government and raise the debt ceiling without addressing Obamacare in a substantive way, according to sources who witnessed the gathering. The Texas Republican senator and many of the House Republicans in attendance had insisted on including amendments aimed at dismantling Obamacare in the continuing resolution that was intended to avert the current shutdown.

    Sources said the House Republicans meeting in the basement of Tortilla Coast with Cruz were some of the most conservative in the House: Reps. Louie Gohmert of Texas, Steve King of Iowa, Jim Jordan of Ohio, Tom Cotton of Arkansas, Raúl R. Labrador of Idaho, Steve Southerland II of Florida, Mark Meadows of North Carolina and Justin Amash of Michigan.

    The group is a collection of members who have often given leadership headaches in recent years by opposing both compromise measures as well as packages crafted by fellow Republicans. And, it seems, leadership unwittingly became aware of the meetup.

    more here: http://blogs.rollcall.com/218/ted-cruz-house-republicans-meet-in-secret-at-tortilla-coast/

    • rikyrah

      this is fucking hilarious

    • Alma98

      Boehner needs to man up and put Cruz in his place. But I doubt he will he has the spine of a gnat.

      • qosine

        Please, we’re much stronger than Cruz.
        Signed.
        The Gnat PAC

        • rikyrah

          LOL

        • Alma98

          hahahahahaha!

        • Daltex82

          LOL!

        • http://pragmaticobotsunite.blogspot.com/ Sepia

          LOL

      • Daltex82

        I can’t see Democrats putting up with some freshman Democratic Senator coming in and totally taking over. I think Dems would have nipped that in the bud early on, they never would have let him/her hijack their party.

    • MsKitty

      Orange Glo should just turn in the gavel right now. If this doesn’t prove that his members have absolutely no respect for him nothing will. In sports when the entire locker room stops listening to the head coach he gets his walking papers. Same thing here.

    • http://oldhollywood.net/ woody45

      What gets me is that even if Boehner is an some kind of alcohol induced comatose state senior House GOP members should know better than to follow a freshman Senator.. No one could be that stupid. Well…

  • Alma98

    Morning all.

    • rikyrah

      Good Morning, Alma.
      Early for you today.

      • Alma98

        Good morning rikyrah lol.
        I usually lurk early but I signed in today. It’s a beautiful cloudy day.

    • qosine

      Alma, is that you?
      Good Early Morning. lol
      Beautiful Fall sun.

      • Alma98

        Yeah it’s me lol. Morning qosine, sometimes I’m here early but lurking.

    • GreenLadyHere

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      • Alma98

        Good morning GLH! Glad you like the sun, blessings to you too. (((BIG HUGS)))

        • GreenLadyHere

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          • Alma98

            My pleasure :)

          • GreenLadyHere

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  • rikyrah

    It’s open warfare within the GOP – and all of America is caught in the crossfire From Rolling Stone: Partisan gerrymandering of 2012 locked in the Republican electoral gains of 2010. In redrawing congressional districts following the census, the GOP focused its efforts on protecting House incumbents – making their districts as red as possible.

    Last November, this redistricting effort produced a shocking subversion of representative democracy. In the popular vote, almost 1.4 million more Americans cast their votes for Democratic House candidates than voted for Republicans. But Republicans maintained a commanding majority in the House. “Gerrymandering saved them,” says Larry Sabato, director of the Center for Politics at the University of Virginia. Today, the number of true swing districts in the House is vanishingly small. Only 17 Republicans won in districts that Barack Obama also carried. Meanwhile, the number of what elections-data savant Nate Silver calls “landslide districts” – districts that are 20-plus points more Republican than the nation at large – has swelled to 125, up from 92 just a decade ago. Members from these über-safe districts don’t fear the challenge posed by a mainstream Democrat in the general election.

    They dread a well-funded primary opponent running to their right. “You’ve got very small numbers of people who vote in GOP primaries,” says Bartlett, who served in the Reagan administration. “It doesn’t take very many of these Tea Party people to show up to find out you’re on your ass.” To keep this threat fresh in members’ minds, the Club for Growth recently launched a campaign called “Primary My Congressman!” that seeks to oust centrist Republicans from safe seats – and replace them with the hardest of the hardcore. “The Club for Growth is a cancer on the Republican Party,” said Steve LaTourette, a recently retired moderate House Republican from Ohio. “The only thing that grows when the Club for Growth gets involved is the number of Democrats in office.” … The chaos now roiling the House is, in many ways, a battle between the two most powerful GOP party bosses – Karl Rove and Jim DeMint. -

    See more at: http://criticalmassprogress.com/2013/10/15/inside-the-republican-suicide-machine-its-demint-v-rove/#sthash.Fh12dsM0.dpuf

    • Town

      Partisan gerrymandering of 2012 locked in the Republican electoral gains of 2010.
      ——–

      Assisted by EmoProgs and Heros of the “Librul Left.”

      • http://oldhollywood.net/ woody45

        More like traditional Democratic midterm apathy imo. Rank and file Dems have no idea who these emoprogs are. They went back to doing what they always do during the midterms. Don’t show up.

        • jziglar

          Actually I think it’s more than that. Turnout among democrats is never that low even during midterms. The reason why turnout was low was because people were frustrated that the economy was not in a better place, and the media along with the PL didn’t help with there “Obama and the democrats suck” talk.

          • http://oldhollywood.net/ woody45

            Yes it is. Except for 2006 Dems have a bad habit of not showing up. And every time they have a ready made excuse. I didn’t like the candidates, the candidates weren’t exciting enough, I didn’t agree with everything on their agenda, Sure I didn’t read it but that’s beside the point.

            Around these parts midterm turnouts aren’t even good enough to be abysmal. 2010 was a perfect example. They had a popular President going around the country begging them to do the right thing. Instead that old Democratic midterm apathy returned with a vengeance.

  • Miranda

    Brett LoGiurato ‏@BrettLoGiurato44m
    Rep. Tim Huelskamp (R-Kan.): Anyone in the “surrender caucus” who votes for the Senate deal is going to be primaried. http://nyti.ms/16dhREo
    ———————-
    But while both Senator Mitch McConnell of Kentucky, the Republican leader, and Senator Harry Reid of Nevada, the Democratic leader, praised the progress that was made in the Senate, it was already clear that the most conservative members of the House were not going to go along quietly with a plan that does not accomplish their goal from the outset of this two-week-old crisis: dismantling the president’s health care law.

    “We’ve got a name for it in the House: it’s called the Senate surrender caucus,” said Representative Tim Huelskamp, Republican of Kansas. “Anybody who would vote for that in the House as Republican would virtually guarantee a primary challenger.”
    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/15/us/politics/seeking-deal-to-avert-default-lawmakers-to-meet-obama.html?_r=1&

    • http://pragmaticobotsunite.blogspot.com/ Sepia

      Whatever deal the Senate comes up with is d.o.a. in the House.

      • jziglar

        Boehner will violate the hastert rule just like he did with the fiscal cliff at the last minute. He knows that a debt default will be the end of him and the republican party.

      • rigoletta

        I believe the bill will pass in the House. Boehner will cave.

        Whatever fears he has about his position if he doesn’t pales in comparison to what will happen if we default.

        It’s one thing to have the Tea Party after you, it’s another to be the reason that the whole world is thrown into a depression.

        I think even he understands that in his booze addled brain.

  • rikyrah

    Young are being recruited to help gut Obamacare

    As the battle over the healthcare law grinds on — Republicans no closer to victory than when they forced the government shutdown — a different fight was rising on a recent Saturday from inside Sharkey’s, a bar near the campus of Virginia Tech, 260 miles away.

    Lured by free beer, gift cards and the chance to win an iPad, 100 students heard a pitch from the young staffers of a group named Generation Opportunity: Obamacare is a bad deal, and you should opt out.

    With enrollment in the insurance marketplaces under way, and tens of millions of taxpayer dollars being spent on a public-awareness campaign, critics are aiming a provocative counter-effort at a critical population: millennials, age 18 to 29, who may not feel the need or have the money for insurance.

    Because if too few young, healthy people sign up, Obamacare will be denied the financial blood to support older, more needy participants. So the race is on for the attention of 2.7 million people deemed necessary to enroll in the first year for Obamacare to be successful.

    Generation Opportunity, which formed in 2011 and gets funding in part from the conservative Koch brothers, is about to embark on a tour of 20 college towns nationally, including a Nov. 9 stop at the University of Miami. The pitch is that you shouldn’t feel compelled by the government to buy insurance, and that it may be cheaper outside the marketplaces.

    A blueprint for an upcoming tailgate calls for games such as beer pong and cornhole, free Taco Bell and beer. Pictures of people signing petitions to opt out would be sent over Twitter, Facebook and Instagram.

    Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/2013/10/14/3689755/young-are-being-recruited-to-help.html#storylink=cpy

    • Town

      The pitch is that you shouldn’t feel compelled by the government to buy
      insurance, and that it may be cheaper outside the marketplaces.
      ———

      But, if it were cheaper outside of the exchanges, everyone would already be buying it.

      And if we shouldn’t feel compelled by the government to buy insurance, why we all being forced by the government to carry car insurance?

    • qosine

      Yeah, Gen Op? Ah, but parents often hold “the power of the purse.” I dunno, there’s all kinds of incentives for signing up.

  • rikyrah

    The default has already begun

    By Felix Salmon

    ——————————————–

    While debt default is undoubtedly the worst of all possible worlds, then, the bonkers level of Washington dysfunction on display right now is nearly as bad. Every day that goes past is a day where trust and faith in the US government is evaporating — and once it has evaporated, it will never return. The Republicans in the House have already managed to inflict significant, lasting damage to the US and the global economy — even if they were to pass a completely clean bill tomorrow morning, which they won’t. The default has already started, and is already causing real harm. The only question is how much worse it’s going to get.

    ———————————————

    http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2013/10/14/the-default-has-already-begun/

    • Town

      We are going to default Thursday because the likes of Bachmann, Goehmert, S. King, Cruz & Palin want us to default b/c they think it will get Obama out of office (hint: it won’t).

      Not even the Koch brothers want a default b/c that messes with their bottom line.

      • rigoletta

        I don’t think we will default.

        I think the bill passes in the House. Maybe it’s the cups of coffee I’ve had this morning talking but I am a little optimistic about how this ends.

        • Town

          I think we will default b/c the bill will not pass in the House.

          It won’t pass because Boehner is too weak to stop Cruz from rallying the House.

          The only thing Boehner can do is bring a vote he knows won’t pass due to Cruz’s interference & then blame the default on Cruz.

  • rikyrah

    The Tea Party Adds the GOP to its List of Enemies to be Destroyed

    By: Hrafnkell Haraldsson
    Tuesday, October 15th, 2013, 7:14 am

    At the same time we are seeing speakers at the Values Voters Summit dump on “establishment Republicans” like John McCain, Peter King, and Lindsey Graham for failing to stand strong alongside Ted Cruz for conservative principles, Sean Hannity appeared in a video on mofopolitics.com – the “official arbiter of conservatism” – yesterday to call for a conservative third party.

    Everyone is taking sides. Hannity wants this new party separate from what he sees as the establishment-controlled Republican Party, which is apparently full of Obama enablers. On the other side of the equation we have one of those “establishment Republicans” (identified as such by his opposition to Ted Cruz), Peter King, who says, “We cannot allow our party to be taken over by the likes of Ted Cruz and Rand Paul. I mean, these people are isolationists. I consider them RINOs…” Meanwhile a poll at mofopolitics.com lists Paul Ryan as a “RINO wimp.”

    S.E. Cupp, a Ryan defender, laments that “once again, Republicans have decided to cannibalize themselves viciously and needlessly instead of uniting over common goals.” To say there is a struggle right now to determine what it means to be a Republican hardly does justice to the battle that is brewing for the soul of conservative America.

    http://www.politicususa.com/2013/10/15/tea-party-adds-gop-list-enemies-destroyed.html

  • rikyrah

    sorry for this. my mistake

  • GreenLadyHere

    PBOMB♥ – - —FROM MR. PRESIDENT: – - -

    — -Obama reaches out to McConnell — -

    — —-President Obama phoned Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) on Monday as senators worked to finalize a deal that could reopen the government and raise the debt ceiling.

    Neither White House nor congressional aides would provide details of the discussion, which came despite the president cancelation of a planned afternoon meeting with McConnell and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.), Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) and House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.).
    THERE IS MORE – - -
    – -WATCHIN’ – –with HOPE :>)- -

    • conlakappa

      The Hooded Claw is toast any way. He can go do in flames or with a scintilla of dignity. His choice.

  • rikyrah

    Jon Favreau @jonfavs

    Why can’t we just skip to the part where Boehner realizes he can’t pass anything and gives the floor to Pelosi?

    7:44 AM – 15 Oct 2013

    • goldenstar

      Oh, those speechwriting meetings with Favreau had to have been hella one-liners with edge. His speeches really captured PBO’s mission in his own voice. Favreau on his own has some commentary that is to-the-bone!

    • Miranda

      *snicker*……………….Bill Burton probably itching to put up a snarky ad…..just cuz. LOL

  • Town
    • TyrenM

      They really better watch out on CrossFire.

    • GreenLadyHere

      Good MornTin’ Town. ***BIG HUG*** :>)

      CONGRATULATIONS -A “WEE KUTTER” – –on the way. :>)
      Lookin’ FORWARD –>:>)

      Good 2 C U Town. :>)

    • itgurl_29

      Awww. Congratulations to her.

    • rikyrah

      good for her

    • qosine

      Congratulations to Stephanie Cutter:)

  • crazycanuck

    Going for a run/walk, hope I make it, hope it does’t rain, my back is killing me lol.

    • Alma98

      Be careful cc and have a good run / walk. I’d say walk if it’s raining which is about to happen here.

  • http://pragmaticobotsunite.blogspot.com/ Sepia

    Once again, Rania Khalek proves she’s not an ally. You may remember that she criticized PBO’s commencement address at Morehouse calling it “painful”, and accused him of “appeasing white supremacy” in his statement about the Zimmerman verdict. Well, yesterday day, she called out MHP for not having enough Middle Eastern and Asian Americans on her show:

    Rania Khalek @RaniaKhalek 13 Oct
    On Sunday news shows, including the often touted MHP show, middle eastern and Asian Americans are invisible pic.twitter.com/M1rXSLmUej

    Rania Khalek @RaniaKhalek 13 Oct
    @Sesan72 that’s a great thing, but why not more Latina, Asian, Arab women and men? The world is more than black and white

    Rania Khalek @RaniaKhalek 13 Oct
    .@Sesan72 her show is the only one I expect better from. Why you always trying to silence my legitimate critiques of liberals/progressives?

    Of course, there was push back. Read this timeline: http://twitter.com/Karnythia

    • Alma98

      I love this tweet love, love, love it!

      Lauren Chief Elk@ChiefElk

      After you do something like
      Ihaveadrone on the 50th anniversary of the MoW, what exactly is it that you think Black people owe you?

      • Kennymack1971

        And let the church say amen.

      • Daltex82

        THIS!! a 1000x’s this!!

    • Miranda

      Somebody tell her when her azz gets a show she can put albino jamaican dwarfs on it if she wants too, until such time go have a seat. Sick of her whining ass.

  • GreenLadyHere

    BREAKING: —House working on a NEW BILL- – -
    Some negatives –as usual.!!- – –REPORTS: — -MR. PRESIDENT —WON’T buy into THIS!!

    • Kennymack1971

      So after Boehner punts this to the Senate to work out a deal and they do just that they’re really going to pull this BS? Boehner is such a weak ass man. He’s letting Ted Cruz run his caucus.

      • GreenLadyHere

        Good Morntin; Kennymack1971 —**BIG HUG***

        —–https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/6629837056/h4B416E28/ – — LEOPARDSSPOTS!!! — TRUTH!! —-Cain’T EVA —TRUST ‘EM!! – –
        Good 2 C U Kennymack1971. :>) –

  • GreenLadyHere

    PBOMB♥ —Always LOOKIN FORWARD —2 my MORNTIN’ -”TOAST” —2 – -Mr. BOB :>) –

    – –Tea Partiers Exploit the National Park Service as a Prop While Attempting to Abolish It- -:>) – - –GET –’EM!! HAH!

    – - – — The tea party put on quite a show on Sunday. Billed as the “Million Veterans March,” roughly 300 people turned out to hear Sarah Palin and Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX) deliver brief remarks about “the Obama shutdown,” followed by a ceremonial gathering of government barricades from variousclosed D.C. monuments and using them to vandalize the north gate of theWhite House.

    Of course there were the usual ringers found every tea party rally: a guy in colonial garb, lots of pale white skin and, predictably, a
    Confederate battle flag. Because nothing says “Honor Our Veterans” like waving the battle flag under which a rebel army killed more than 140,000U.S. soldiers in defense of a states’ right to own slaves.

    While we contemplate the incoherence of such a gesture, let’s go back to the barricades thing.
    – - –SNIP – - -

    If you force the government to close, things that are run by the
    government will close, too. But, weirdly, the House and Senate Republicans who allowed this to happen in the first place have employed a twisted, upside-down, I-know-you-are-but-what-am-I political trick to make it appear as if President Obama closed the government, thus stymieing a busload of wheelchair-bound World War II veterans from visiting the monument.Of course, tea party acolytes might not realize that the House of Representatives is the governmental body responsible for passing appropriations. Not the president. And those appropriations include the operating budgets for the Department of the Interior, which includes the National Park Service, which, in turn, is responsible for the World War II Memorial.

    THERE IS MORE — —SPEAK TRUTH!! —As USUAL. . :>) — -

  • Kennymack1971

    These nuts really want a default. All the reporting/commentary has been based on the premise that Boehner would never actually allow a default but if Ted Cruz really is calling the shots in the House…man. I’m going to hate what this does to the country and those of us who didn’t vote these crazies into office but as for the GOP voters and EmoProgs who allowed this farce to happen…I hope you love it.

    • http://oldhollywood.net/ woody45

      I’m going to put a positive spin on this and say Boehner has all the votes he needs so he doesn’t care what Cruz does.

      Having said that as Speaker of the House you cannot let a freshman dingbat from the upper chamber run your show. If that is not enough motivation for Boehner to make sure he gets 200 Republican votes to crush this guy once and for all I don’t know what is.

      • Miranda

        One of my friends said what Cruz is doing to Boehner is like some dude knowing his woman cheating and the dude she’s cheating with is just sooooo disrespectful bout it. LOL

    • TyrenM

      Ed Joan Katrina – ALL the “sit this one out” crew need they asses flamed for this.

  • jziglar

    When Newt Gingrich took over the house in the 90′s that was a clear sign that the GOP was headed for a crackup. Purging the party of moderate and liberal republicans, allowing the evangelical right and former Dixiecrats to gain a foothold in the party. 9/11 and George W Bush being president allowed all the factions to rally together but since the failure of the Bush presidency the glue is coming off.

    It reminds me of the New Deal Coalition coming apart at the end of the Johnson administration. We are seeing the same thing with the republican party.

  • GreenLadyHere

    PBOMB♥ – - -TWEETIN’ —TRUTH —from Nerdy Wonka –:>)

    – –☺@TheObamaDiary
    In case you’re forgotten GOP, the two-terms President —-> pic.twitter.com/GJ8jpp7Ohe
    Retweeted by Nerdy Wonka
    View photo

    —☺@NerdyWonka –What was @FLOTUS doing a year ago today? Voting early for @BarackObama. So go VOTE! http://www.mytimetovote.com/United_States_Elections,-2013.html … pic.twitter.com/Zpy3CZ2W47
    View photo :>)

    — ☺@NerdyWonka
    ‏What was @BarackObama doing 4 yrs ago today? Cradling @SFPelosi’s daughter & @NancyPelosi’s granddaughter in his arms pic.twitter.com/lp7BvhsV5l
    View photo —-:>)
    MORE L8R :>) – - -[Gotta "bounce" - --C Ya --as soon as. .♥]

  • Town

    2 outcomes: Default. Not Default.

    3 options: Bring a vote. Bring a weak vote. Not bring a vote.

    The player: John Boehner.

    Boehner is a weak, cowardly punk. We know this because he is allowing a Senator to rally & conspire with House Republicans, instead of putting a foot straight up that Senator’s ass. Can you imagine Nancy Pelosi allowing a Senator to come on over and rally House members? Nope, she’d put a foot straight up that Senator’s ass.

    If Boehner brings a strong vote & it passes, the Tea Party will make his life a living nightmare until 2014. His political career is over.

    If Boehner doesn’t bring a vote at all and we head to default, the country is mad at him & makes his life a nightmare. His political career is over.

    If Boehner brings a very weak vote that he knows won’t pass, we go to default but he gets to blame somebody else (Cruz) for it b/c hey, he did bring a vote but somebody (Cruz) interfered with the House so it wouldn’t pass.

    I predict we will default on Thursday b/c Boehner will bring a very weak vote to the floor that he knows won’t pass & will blame Cruz for why it didn’t pass.

    • aleth

      I am with you that we default and media spin for GOP. They think Obama will save them but he will not. No 14th amendment impeachment for you. And this one is for big business hope you all get used to the yen

      • rigoletta

        They are threatening impeachment no matter what Obama does.

        He might as well do it.

        • rikyrah

          That’s how I feel. When that muthafucka said that they would impeach AFTER their asses called for a default, then I was like, fuck it, game on, 14th amendment here we come.

          • rigoletta

            There is reporting about him rejecting this.

            I hope that’s just him playing his cards close to his chest.

            Either way I can’t believe we’ve gotten to this point.

  • http://pragmaticobotsunite.blogspot.com/ Sepia

    Richard Prince @princeeditor 16m
    #Oprah Winfrey drops off @FortuneMagazine Most Powerful Women list http://bit.ly/194nUyH

    Dang. I’m not surprised, tho. Trying to get her network off the ground has caused some damage to her brand, but it’s starting to flourish so I won’t count Queen O out just yet.

    There are 2 sistas on the list: Ursula Burns, Rosalind Brewer (CEO & President of Sam’s Club) and Shonda Rhimes.

  • http://pragmaticobotsunite.blogspot.com/ Sepia

    Karen Tumulty @ktumulty 4m
    At news conference, House leaders talking about “fairness,” but blinking SOS in Morse code.

    • Rhoda

      Bullshit. Jonny Boy got paid; he’s doing the KOCH brothers bidding.

  • MsKitty

    Latest Poll Shows Booker Comfortably Ahead of Lonegan in NJ
    Senate Race

    The final poll of New Jersey voters before tomorrow’s special election for the US Senate seat previously held by the late Frank Lautenberg shows Democrat Cory Booker with a comfortable 14-point lead over Republican Steve Lonegan.

    The race tilts 54-40 percent in favor of Booker in the Quinnipiac University survey of almost 1,700 likely voters.

    Poll director Mickey Carroll says in this poll independents, the group that usually turns the tide, are evenly split. And he suggests this election could be decided along racial lines.

    “Lonegan, by a smidgen, leads among white voters, whereas Booker just owns the black vote,” by a 93-to-1 margin, Carroll notes.

    http://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2013/10/15/latest-poll-shows-booker-comfortably-ahead-of-lonegan-in-nj-senate-race/

    Gotta give a negative shout out to Freedom Works, Independent Women Voters of NJ and the other Lonegan PACs for blowing up my phone this weekend with their robocalls. Annoying doesn’t even begin to describe it, and not just because it was Lonegan. I’m not down with my phone ringing every half hour while NFL is on.

    • http://pragmaticobotsunite.blogspot.com/ Sepia

      I’ll be holding my nose and cussin’ tomorrow. :-(

      • MsKitty

        I did the mail-in ballot last week, complete with the nose holding and cussing. And now looking forward to doing it again in the next couple of weeks. Good times.

  • rikyrah

    Kurt Eichenwald @kurteichenwald

    I think they are really going to do it. I think the House is going to force the country to default. I never thought Id live to see the day.

    8:49 AM – 15 Oct 2013

    • Rhoda

      Yup. I can’t believe this mess myself. I figured a vacation and the debt ceiling mess would fix it and then they put us back to work and raise the debt ceiling at the same time.

  • Rhoda

    Hello, POU.

    Can you believe the times we’re in? The United States may default for the first time and threaten it’s status as the reserve currency of the world because a lot of white folks lost their shit when a black family moved into 1600 Penn Ave. and now they’re about to reap the whirlwind of self delusion they allowed to flourish thinking they were so slick not stomping the birthers, ignoring the economic treason of Republicans in 2009 (NOT ONE VOTE FOR A STIMULUS DESIGNED WITH THEIR PRIORITES CONSIDERED!), and then lying for Mitt Romney and working the angles for him and STILL losing in 2012. (They had to admit that the Obama team won that, there was no hype or hope. This was a straight up vote in ’12 and without gerrymandering the House would be democratic.)

    The chickens are coming home to roost for many, IMO. If Lehman Brothers can set off a Great Recession I have to wonder if we don’t enter a depression from the default of the United States. Maybe I’m being hyperbolic; but that’s the feeling I get in my bones.

    These people know the posisbliites; but they also know Hitler flourished in the Depression and that’s what the tea party types are looking to do IMO.

    I hope everyone is doing well; I’ve been offline a lot lately but this foolishness is pulling me back in.

  • annvic

    I’m trying to stay posititve about the debt ceiling, but I’m getting nervous with all I’m reading. President Obama is an incredibly intelligent man who has earned my faith and respect, and I have a hard time believing that he doesn’t have something up his sleeve. Just gotta stay in prayer.

    • rigoletta

      I hear you. I’m nervous too.

      • GreenLadyHere

        rigoletta —4 U also: -http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KlhlHTE12Q – —KEEP the FAITH —2 weather the STORM♥ – - -B BLESSED♥- :>)

    • GreenLadyHere

      Good Morntin’ annvic. :>) ***BIG –comforting -HUG**

      – –THIS always keeps me UPLIFTED – ->

      – —- –No Weapon Formed Against Me/HIM/US—-SHALL PROSPER. IT WON’T WORK!!- -AMEN.
      Good 2 C U annvic. — -B @ PEACE♥—

      • annvic

        Thank you, GreenLady. I needed to hear that.

        • GreenLadyHere

          annvic – - -My pleasure. ♥– -Gotta KEEP da FAITH –in da MIDST of the STORM.- -:>) –
          U B BLESSED. :>)

  • http://pragmaticobotsunite.blogspot.com/ Sepia

    Aaron Blake @AaronBlakeWP 18m
    Obama will meet with House Dem leaders in Oval Office at 3:15 p.m.

  • rikyrah

    The Morning Plum: Dems think they’re killing debt limit GOP extortion for good

    By Greg Sargent
    October 15 at 9:12 am

    The broad outlines of a deal to end the crisis are now emerging from the Senate: It would lift the debt limit until February 7th, reopen the government through January 15th, and trigger budget talks to replace the sequester. There’s some last minute haggling over minor Obamacare concessions. House Republicans will seek changes to the deal, and it’s unclear whether they’ll even allow a vote on it.

    The question about the deal is this: Given that the next debt limit deadline looms just after the date on which government funding runs out, doesn’t this just mean we’ll find ourselves in roughly the same situation in a few months, with Republicans demanding concessions in exchange for averting default and economic chaos?

    Senate Democratic aides tell me they think the possibility that conservatives will insist on another round of debt limit brinksmanship is very real. But they think they’re on the verge of rendering any such threat an entirely empty one. The idea: Decoupling the debt limit from the budget talks, and placing the debt limit deadline further out, will effectively isolate the debt limit debate and make another default extortion crisis even harder politically. By refusing any meaningful concessions in exchange for a debt limit hike this time — and earlier this year – Dems will have finally killed the “Boehner Rule” (which demands spending cuts in exchange for any hike) and driven home that GOP debt ceiling extortion will never be rewarded again.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2013/10/15/the-morning-plum-dems-think-theyre-killing-debt-limit-gop-extortion-for-good/

  • MsKitty

    Disqus is messing with me again so I think I might have flagged a couple of posts by accident. Ignore them.

  • http://pragmaticobotsunite.blogspot.com/ Sepia

    TNFTG movement is spreading….

    HumanityCritic @HumanityCritic 5m
    Thomas Roberts to Marsha Blackburn: “Do you hate Obamacare more than you love this country?”

  • GreenLadyHere

    POU FAM♥— -FOLLOWING this CASE –UNTIL JUSTICE IS SERVED!– –Crump On Kendrick Johnson Case: ‘Real-life Murder Mystery’

    — –Today on the inaugural episode of “NewsOne Now” with Roland Martin, it was clear that the death of young teen Kendrick Johnson strongly resonated with listeners. Attorney Benjamin Crump, a civil rights advocate known for his representing Trayvon Martin‘s family, joined the show to discuss the tragedy.

    As reported, Johnson’s body was found in an upright, rolled up
    wrestling mat at Georgia’s Valdosta High School in January. Initially,
    his death was ruled accidental, but an independent autopsy suggested that Johnson died of blunt force trauma to the head. After during that second autopsy, vital organs were found to be missing and his body had been stuffed with newspapers. His family wants answers.

    Crump provided more details about the condition of Johnson’s body after the first autopsy, and explained why we need to raise our voices so that justice is served for the 17-year-old:
    THERE IS MORE —– Soo PAINFUL. —RIHEP –Dear one.♥

    - –CONDOLENCES 2 FAMILY/FRIENDS. AMEN

  • Rhoda

    Wow, Ted Cruz has really done it again. I am astonished and don’t believe it’s just him; this is a KOCH brothers plan that they paid for and are executing without their fingerprints. But folks are connecting the dots; which is why they had to put out that statement last week.

    This is the plan to sabatoge the Presiden’ts second term; same as they came up with a plan to try to destroy his first term.

    • http://oldhollywood.net/ woody45

      I agree it’s their plan but they never expected it to go this far (default). Now they are on their knees pleading with their monster to turn around.

      But in a warped way I have to hand it to Cruz. He’s playing both ends against the middle and then some. Led the charge to shutdown the government and was front and center in the protest against the shutdown this weekend. He leads House GOP’s off the cliff then at the 11th hour they still want to take their marching orders from him.

      The guy knows his audience. I’ll give him that.

  • rikyrah

    As Democrats seethe over GOP tactics, video over rules change goes viral

    By Juliet Eilperin

    October 14 at 1:39 pm

    In a sign of how angry Democrats are over the government shutdown, a video Rep. Chris Van Hollen (D-Md.) has posted of an obscure rules debate has gone viral.

    The video — which has already attracted more than 702,000 views since being posted to YouTube on Saturday — shows Van Hollen engaging in a parliamentary inquiry with Rep. Jason Chaffetz (R-Utah), who was in the speaker’s chair at the time. The two men discussed why Democrats could not bring up a Senate amendment that would provide funding to return the government to normal operations.

    Normally an individual lawmaker would be able to force a vote on a bill where there is a dispute between the House and Senate, but on Oct. 1, House Republicans passed a resolution, H. Res. 368, altering the rules to make that impossible.

    “The Rules Committee under the rules of the House changed the standing rules of the House of the to take away the right of any member to move to vote to open the government and gave that right exclusively to the Rep leader, is that right?” asked Van Hollen, the top Democrat on the House Budget Committee.

    “The House adopted that resolution,” Chaffetz replied.

    Pressing the point, Van Hollen asks, “Why were the rules rigged to keep the government shut down?”

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-politics/wp/2013/10/14/as-democrats-seethe-over-gop-tactics-video-over-rules-change-goes-viral/?tid=pm_pop

  • conlakappa

    Work is getting the way of like personal internet time and stuff [the nerve!] but I did find this reading of Bibi while doing something for work. Called out by a religious scholar: http://www.religiondispatches.org/archive/politics/7332/bibi_s_bad_history/

    This project also has me on high eyeroll due to Cornflakes being on a list of folks I’m supposed to reach out to for his thoughts. Um, no.

  • Rhoda

    Wow. Boehner doesn’t even have to votes to pass this; lol.

    • Miranda

      *snicker*………he can’t control’em…..told his azz don’t let’em eat after midnight LOL

  • Miranda

    get in his azz twitterati

    MzYun ‏@MzYun6m
    @chucktodd: “I’m just struck by the heated rhetoric from D’s on this.”

    • Rhoda

      If someone attacks my home and my money; I get heated. That is what is happening to this country; you should be heated too! OMG, wtf is wrong with these people that they’re STILL talking tone when we are in danger of economic crisis?

      • annvic

        That bitch Chuck had the nerve to then say that the bill was the same bill as the Democrats only with a few things put in so that they could get something out of the deal and not just concede.

        • Miranda

          He needs to be cussed out repeatedly…he is caping up for Boehner and not being called out on it.
          —————————
          Chuck Todd ‏@chucktodd3m
          No one expects Boehner’s deal to get thru Senate; folks are missing that he is accepting Senate structure; not a small deal

    • http://oldhollywood.net/ woody45

      He’s up and down but truth to tell that’s the media in a nutshell.

  • GreenLadyHere

    POU FAM♥ —-EVIDENCE: —We NOT eva –POST-Racial — -geesh!! -
    —-Annnd DEY — EVIL/VILE!!!- –

    — – Ejected Red Sox fan says ‘Bye Trayvon’ to black Tigers fan

    -[Sorry. Gotta "bounce". :>)] — –

    • Miranda

      SMH…..racist punk.

      • GreenLadyHere

        Miranda – - –***UP HIGH*** :>)http://fc01.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2012/131/d/5/strawberry_awesome_high_five___gif_by_hnrat-d4ze9e5.gif —SAAAAAA-LAP :>)

  • Miranda

    Mike Memoli ‏@mikememoli18m
    Pelosi: there’s a “moment of truth” for House moderates, to be “enablers” of hard right plan or bring about a solution

    Mike Memoli ‏@mikememoli19m
    @NancyPelosi repeats: “I saw a speaker who doesn’t have the votes.”

    Mike Memoli ‏@mikememoli20m
    Rep. Steny Hoyer reading excerpts from “Young Guns.”

    Mike Memoli ‏@mikememoli31m
    Rep. Israel: someone in House R conference has to grab the wheel, stop party from driving country off cliff

    Mike Memoli ‏@mikememoli38m
    @NancyPelosi says House Rs are “sabotaging a good-faith effort” from Senate. @SpeakerBoehner doesn’t have the votes to pass

  • isonprize

    Official member of the NFTG team…

    Guys, why would House Rs accept a bipartisan Senate deal when the Tea Party had that AWESOME Confederate Flag rally yesterday? Big Mo!!— Jon Favreau (@jonfavs) October 15, 2013

    • isonprize

      Sorry re the dup. Disqus rabbits must be busy…

  • rikyrah

    Sarah Reese Jones @srjones66

    Are you freaking kidding me? RT @RameshPonnuru: Hearing House may pass its bill and then skip town.

    8:56 AM – 15 Oct 2013

    • annvic

      If this is true (I pray it isn’t), wouldn’t it just give President Obama political cover to go the 14th amendment route?

    • conlakappa

      Leaving work how, their annual one-week off for Columbus Day?

  • isonprize

    Official member of the NFTG team.

    Guys, why would House Rs accept a bipartisan Senate deal when the Tea Party had that AWESOME Confederate Flag rally yesterday? Big Mo!!— Jon Favreau (@jonfavs) October 15, 2013

  • Miranda

    Afternoon thread is up!

  • isonprize