October 24, 2014

Tuesday Open Thread: The Great Migration

Good Morning Obots!

We continue our look at the events and history surrounding over 6 million African Americans moving from the deep south to the north and western parts of the United States. An event known as The Great Migration.

Documenting “The Great Migration”

 When Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist Isabel Wilkerson told a group of high school students that for most of the 20th century in the U.S., it was illegal for a black motorist to pass a white one on the road, they were flabbergasted.

One student said he would’ve honked. Another said he would tailgate.

Finally, one student came up with the answer she was looking for: He would’ve left.

“I said ‘My sentiments exactly,” said Wilkerson, a journalism professor at Boston University. “That is what 6 million African Americans did starting with World War I and continuing on until the 1970s,” she said.

Wilkerson was referring to the Great Migration, the subject of the book she spent 15 years working on: “The Warmth of Other Suns.” She talked about her research, for which she interviewed 1,200 people, while giving the University of Iowa Martin Luther King Jr. Distinguished Lecture on Wednesday before a packed atrium on the University of Iowa campus.

The Great Migration was the movement of millions of blacks from the rural and small-town South to the North and West between 1915 and 1970. The people, many of them sharecroppers who worked to live on their employer’s land, moved to escape the caste system in the South designed to keep blacks in a lower societal position than others.

The caste system was so strong that between 1889 and 1929, a black person was lynched every four days for a perceived breach of the code, Wilkerson said. The most common reason: They acted like a white person, she said.

It wasn’t until after the book was published and Wilkerson was touring the country talking about it that she said she realized what it’s truly about: freedom.

“It’s actually what all of them wanted, and it’s of course what Martin Luther King, who we’re all gathered here to honor this special week, what he wanted as well,” she said. “I discovered that in fact, that’s what the book is actually about and that’s the story that I ultimately was telling.”

The migrations weren’t spontaneous, in fact, there were predictable streams, whose effects still can be observed in U.S. cities today, Wilkerson said. Many blacks living in Chicago trace their roots to Arkansas and Mississippi, Wilkerson said. In New York or Washington, D.C., where Wilkerson is from, many people are from the Carolinas or Georgia.

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Growing up, Wilkerson said people didn’t talk about the Great Migration, but many of her neighbors were from the Carolinas.

Jean Robillard, UI’s vice president for medical affairs, told the group that the Great Migration is the “biggest underreported story of the 20th century.”

“Before reading the book, I was unfamiliar with much of this important history,” he said, “and was moved by her magnificent telling of this giant shift in the United States population.”

Anthony Berger, a first-year medical student at the university, said his interest in health disparities initially drew him to the book. While reading it, he said he found Wilkerson’s description of the treatment of blacks as a “caste system” very interesting.

“You think of caste system and you think of India, not the black population of the U.S.,” he said. “I thought she just had a really interesting approach.”

Iowa City resident Royceann Porter, a member of the local Coalition for Racial Justice Steering Committee, also attended Wednesday’s lecture. She said a lot of people are afraid to talk about racism.

“But it needs to be talked about,” she said. “It needs to be expressed. It happens.”

While serving as the Chicago bureau chief for The New York Times, Wilkerson won the 1994 Pulitzer Prize for her coverage of the 1993 Midwestern floods and her profile of a 10-year-old Chicago boy growing up with a man’s obligations.

To close her lecture, Wilkerson reminded the audience of the sacrifices each of their ancestors made when they migrated to forge better lives for future generations.

“It gives us a beautiful burden to bear, and that is to make their sacrifice mean something,” she said. “I believe that Dr. King would have agreed with that.”

Journeys of Promise

Journeys of Promise, produced by Online Journalism students at La Salle University in Philadelphia, tells the stories of six African Americans who migrated to Philadelphia from the South as part of the Great Migration, the largest internal migration in U.S. history. The six sojourners who tell their stories here were interviewed in Spring 2011 at Center in the Park, a senior center in Philadelphia’s Germantown neighborhood.

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  • sagittarius

    Good morning, POU Fam!

    Make it a great day!

    • http://pragmaticobotsunite.blogspot.com/ Sepia

      Mornin’ Sagi and POU!

      • GreenLadyHere

        Good Morntin’ Sepia. ***BIG HUG*** :>) Have a good day. :>)

        • http://pragmaticobotsunite.blogspot.com/ Sepia

          You have a good day, too GLH!

    • dannie22

      Morning Sag, POU fam!

      • GreenLadyHere

        Good MornTin’ dannie22. – -***BIG HUG*** :>) Have a good day. :>)

    • GreenLadyHere

      Good MOrnTin’ sagittatius. ***BIG HUG*** :>) Have a good day. :>)

    • rikyrah

      Hey sag

  • http://pragmaticobotsunite.blogspot.com/ Sepia

    Welp! It’s gonna be a looooooong political day….

    EXCLUSIVE: Justice Department memo reveals legal case for drone strikes on Americans

    By Michael Isikoff
    National Investigative Correspondent, NBC News

    A confidential Justice Department memo concludes that the U.S. government can order the killing of American citizens if they are believed to be “senior operational leaders” of al-Qaida or “an associated force” — even if there is no intelligence indicating they are engaged in an active plot to attack the U.S.

    The 16-page memo, a copy of which was obtained by NBC News, provides new details about the legal reasoning behind one of the Obama administration’s most secretive and controversial polices: its dramatically increased use of drone strikes against al-Qaida suspects abroad, including those aimed at American citizens, such as the September 2011 strike in Yemen that killed alleged al-Qaida operatives Anwar al-Awlaki and Samir Khan. Both were U.S. citizens who had never been indicted by the U.S. government nor charged with any crimes.

    MORE: http://openchannel.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/02/04/16843014-exclusive-justice-department-memo-reveals-legal-case-for-drone-strikes-on-americans?lite

    White Paper: http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/msnbc/sections/news/020413_DOJ_White_Paper.pdf

    • Miranda

      oh geez………………gird your loins! Its gonna be a bumpy ride. *sigh*

      • http://pragmaticobotsunite.blogspot.com/ Sepia

        I predict several front page EmoProg blog posts demanding AG Holder resign and a week long series on drones by Rachel Maddow.

    • Kennymack1971

      The bitching has already begun. These emoprogs are going to be on some extra special BS today.

      • http://pragmaticobotsunite.blogspot.com/ Sepia

        I’m sure GG is orgasmic right about now.

    • GreenLadyHere

      Sepia — –Annnd – — THEY’RE OFF annnd RUNNIN’ - — –LOL – — –

      – -One day – –THEY will — -CHECK IN —with – –REALITY!!. HAH!–

      Annnnd – — THEIR — -FAUX-concern/poutrage – —is DULY NOTED! — – geesh! – – -

    • GN

      Perhaps I’m missing something, but what exactly is news about this white paper? And what is secret about the drones program? I’ve been reading criticism of this program, some of which is hysterical and overblown, for years and years.

      • crazycanuck

        I’ve been asking myself the same question.

      • Jziglar

        They just want to get mad about something. There is nothing secret about this program because everyone knows. Also when I ask the emo left how they would proceed when dealing with terrorist I hear crickets.

        • GN

          Just saying…this is an explosive development? We didn’t know before that the admin argues that they are on solid legal footing to use lethal force against people who are overseas fighting open war against the US, even in the very rare case of anti-US American citizens doing so? Agree or disagree, but we’ve been known this.

          • conlakappa

            In their minds, regards memoranda on the fog of war, Holder:drones:Gonzalez:waterboarding. Whether they will say it is another matter.

          • GN

            Another stupid comparison and false equivalency from this crowd. Claiming everything is torture and the second coming of Bush 100% belittles and papers over the excesses of the previous admin.

          • isonprize

            Claiming everything is torture and the second coming of Bush 100% belittles and papers over the excesses of the previous admin.

            And there you have it.

  • GreenLadyHere

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  • rikyrah

    Good Morning, Everyone :)

  • rikyrah

    Kasich: Medicaid expansion ‘makes great sense’

    By Steve Benen
    Tue Feb 5, 2013 8:00 AM EST.

    In its decision last year on the constitutionality of the Affordable Care Act, the Supreme Court majority ruled that Medicaid expansion can proceed, but it must be entirely optional for states. Almost immediately, right-wing groups delivered a stern message to Republican governors: to accept expansion would be an outrageous betrayal of conservative principles.

    Some GOP governors are doing it anyway, and yesterday, Ohio’s John Kasich joined the group (video via ThinkProgress).

    I, as all of you know, am not a supporter of Obamacare,” Kasich explained at a press conference. “But I think this makes great sense for the state of Ohio.”

    And in this case, the governor is correct. The way the Affordable Care Act is structured, Medicaid expansion is a great deal for states, and should be a no-brainer for governors who care about lowering health care costs, insuring low-income families, improving state finances, and helping state hospitals.

    The only reasons Republican governors would balk is if (a) they’re afraid of their party’s base; (b) they plan to run for president and don’t want this to be used against them in a primary; and (c) both.

    But Kasich’s decision still came as something of a surprise, largely because he’s considered a darling of the far-right and a model of contemporary fiscal conservatism. Indeed, it’s exactly what makes his decision so problematic for the right.

    http://maddowblog.msnbc.com/_news/2013/02/05/16851765-kasich-medicaid-expansion-makes-great-sense?threadId=3659857&commentId=73964822#c73964822

  • rikyrah

    Well, my family certainly came North.

    Daddy got the hell out of backwoods Tennessee, and Mama’s family for the most part, left the Police State that was Jim Crow Mississippi.

    • BoomerGal

      Damn near everybody on Mama’s side left Alabama and went every whichaway (Chicago, Pittsburgh, Detroit and California). Daddy’s side left Tennessee for Indiana (I really didn’t see the difference).

  • rikyrah

    The three-pronged plan for a GOP revival
    Posted by Greg Sargent on February 4, 2013 at 4:35 pm

    Eric Cantor is set to give a speech tomorrow in which he is supposed to take new rhetorical steps designed to “soften” the GOP’s image. However, Ron Fournier reports that there will be no softening of GOP ideology, only a softening of tone:

    The speech will attempt to cast the House GOP’s traditionally conservative policy agenda in terms that appeal to parents, explaining why school vouchers, tax breaks, repealing the health care law, and other Republican standards would “make life work better.” [...]

    Cantor plans to ask Congress to require universities to warn students when their academic majors lack employment opportunities; to repeal the tax on medical devices, a provision of Obama’s health care overhaul; and to shift spending from political sciences to “hard” sciences such as cancer research.

    One thing he won’t do is moderate Republican policies. Cantor is talking about a change in tone, not ideology, which begs the question: With a demographic tide threatening to crush the modern GOP, is it enough to just tweak talking points?

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2013/02/04/the-three-pronged-plan-for-a-gop-revival/

  • rikyrah

    How to Fix Long Lines

    February 4, 2013 |

    By modernizing voter registration, providing more early voting opportunities, and setting minimum national standards for polling place access, America can fix the long lines that plague elections and bring our voting system into the 21st century.

    Introduction

    There were many images typical of Election Day last November 6, including the usual confetti and tears that accompanied the victory and concession speeches at the end of the night. Unfortunately, there was another image that is increasingly common on Election Day, especially during presidential contests: long lines. While it was inspiring to see so many Americans endure hours of standing to exercise their most fundamental right, it was also troubling. We admire the voters in Miami who waited for hours and “refused to leave the line despite fainting.” But should this kind of fortitude be needed to vote?

    Exceptionally long lines were not isolated to a single city or state. One newspaper ran photos of “incredibly long lines,” in polling places nationwide, from Maryland and Minnesota to North and South Carolina. There were similar reports from states as diverse as Indiana, Colorado, Rhode Island, Wisconsin, and Texas. In several polling places in Florida and Virginia, voters were still casting ballots at midnight, long after the presidential election had been called. In Pennsylvania and Ohio, election observers reported that long lines forced people to walk away without voting. And in New York and New Jersey, still reeling from Superstorm Sandy, there were reports of hundreds of voters, standing in lines that barely moved after many hours.

    Long lines have consequences on turnout and election results. A recent analysis by Professor Theodore Allen of Ohio State University estimates that in Florida alone, more than 200,000 voters may have been discouraged from voting because of long lines on Election Day. Studies of lines in other regions, from other elections, have similarly shown that chronic long lines can lead to the loss of tens of thousands of votes.

    Although long lines are a national problem, not all groups are affected equally. For instance, studies of the 2008 and 2012 presidential elections suggest that black and Hispanic voters were more likely to experience long wait times than non-Hispanic whites.

    What Can Be Done?

    http://www.brennancenter.org/publication/how-fix-long-lines

  • rikyrah

    The Nullification Crisis, Part Deux

    Jamelle Bouie

    February 4, 2013

    Senate Republicans have gone far beyond offering “advice and consent.”
    From its inception as part of Dodd-Frank financial, Republicans have been opposed to the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau, an agency meant to protect consumers from predatory financial practices. In a sane political world, Republicans would register through the usual channels, including elections. If you want to change Washington—or even just an agency—the first order of business is winning elections.

    In the world as it exists, however, Republicans have decided to simply block any attempt at enforcing laws they don’t like. For the CFPB, this means blocking confirmation for its director—former Ohio attorney general Richard Cordray—until the administration agrees to gut the agency and leave consumers more vulnerable to predatory financial practices:

    Senate Republicans are renewing their vow to block any nominee to head the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau (CFPB) unless major changes are made to its structure.

    In a letter sent to President Obama on Friday, 43 Republican senators committed to refusing approval of any nominee to head the consumer watchdog until the bureau underwent significant reform. Lawmakers signing on to the letter included Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) and Sen. Mike Crapo (R-Idaho), the ranking member of the Senate Banking Committee.

    It’s true the Constitution gives senators the power to offer “advice and consent” to the president when it comes to confirming nominees. But it’s extremely rare for the Senate to deny confirmation—it’s a move reserved for egregious misconduct or “blatant unsuitability.” And for good reason: The executive branch couldn’t function if every nominee were held up by the Senate.

    http://prospect.org/article/nullification-crisis-part-deux

  • rikyrah

    There’s that ‘I’ word again

    By Steve Benen
    Tue Feb 5, 2013 8:49 AM EST

    For a while, a variety of voices on the right raised the specter of impeaching President Obama over all sorts of things — immigration policy, czars, recess appointments, DOMA, Benghazi, legislative gridlock, Syria, and job offers, among other things. But in time, the talk faded away, and the right’s attention turned elsewhere.

    It was, alas, a brief reprieve.

    Just over the last few weeks, one Republican congressman talked about possibly impeaching the president over executive orders that don’t exist, another Republican congressman raised impeachment over gun control, and a third Republican congressman wants to make budget deficits an impeachable offense.

    And then there’s Marc Thiessen, one of two George W. Bush speechwriters hired to write Washington Post columns, who hopes to revive interest in leaks surrounding the Stuxnet cyberattack against the Iranian nuclear program. According to Thiessen, “This is big.”

    …………………………………

    You may be thinking, “Wasn’t this a two-day story back in June that Republicans pretended to find outrageous?” And if so, you’re correct. But apparently, old habits die hard, and the drive on the part of some Republican to inject the “I” word into the public conversation continues unabated.

    http://maddowblog.msnbc.com/_news/2013/02/05/16852278-theres-that-i-word-again?threadId=3659876&commentId=73965574#c73965574

  • rikyrah

    ok,

    where’s Luis Guitierrez screaming from the rooftops about THIS?

    ………………….

    The Morning Plum: Immigration reform in jeopardy?
    Posted by Greg Sargent on February 5, 2013 at 9:15 am

    Today, the GOP-controlled House Judiciary Committee will hold hearings on the bipartisan immigration reform proposal that’s being assembled by a group of House Dems and Republicans. We don’t know what’s in this proposal, since it’s being guarded with extraordinary secrecy, but one thing is becoming quite clear: Unlike the Senate plan, the House proposal won’t contain a path to citizenship.

    …………………………………………

    Mr. Goodlatte, 60, has established a solid record of opposition to any measures he regarded as amnesty for illegal immigrants. But he said the Judiciary hearings would include scrutiny of proposals to offer legal status to most of the immigrants living illegally in the country.

    Calling legalization of those immigrants “the most difficult side” of the immigration issue, Mr. Goodlatte said the committee would consider options to give “some kind of legal status to bring people out of the shadows,” offering them a chance at “being a fuller part of our society.” He said the committee would examine proposals that would allow most of the 11 million illegal immigrants to become citizens relatively quickly, as well as plans that would only offer limited legal status to far fewer people.

    So what we’re debating here is “some kind of legal status,” and a chance at “being a fuller part of our society.” Translation: Only second class legal status will be acceptable to House Republicans.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2013/02/05/the-morning-plum-immigration-reform-in-jeopardy/

    • goldenstar

      I hope that people call out Luis so he has to do some work. Too busy showboating and has no vision of how to do the real work of legislating.

  • GreenLadyHere

    – — -GOOD MORTIN’ POU FAM♥ — **BIG HUG*** :>) —THIS SONG —INSPIRATIONAL:—-2 THIS SERIES. :>) — -MR. PRESIDENT –CONTINUES 2 AMAZE –as he MULTI-TASKS. :>) – — CONTINUED BLESSINGS.♥ :>) – –

    — — -☻ -FYI: – -Obama has broad powers to order a pre-emptive strike if there is credible evidence of a looming major digital attack from abroad (New York Times || Sanger, Shanker)
    — — -☻Obama to lobby CEOs on immigration- –
    – ———-+President Obama will meet with a dozen chief executives at the White House on Tuesday to discuss, among other topics, immigration reform.

    — — -☻Obama signs debt-ceiling bill – –
    – — — —+President Obama on Monday signed legislation suspending the nation’s borrowing limit until May 18.
    The “No Budget, No Pay Act Act of 2013″ also mandates that pay for lawmakers be held in escrow starting April 16 until their chamber has passed a 2014 budget resolution.

    – – – — WHEW LAWD! – – – -TIRING. :>) – – –
    – – – -☻Photo of the day: Bringing it home – –

    – – – -AMAZING FACT: — - “That is what 6 million African Americans did starting with World War I and continuing on until the 1970s,” she said.- – -LEARNIN sooo MUCH. – – -THANK U miranda. :>) –

    – – -HOT CHOCOLATE FROM AFRICA. – –ENJOY. :>)[Brrrr. . . :>) ]- – -B BLESSED 2-day, :>)

  • crazycanuck

    Good Morning eveyone. I refuse to leave the house today. I have a big zit on my face lol. Go away,Go away.

    • QOakaJP

      Pretend it’s a beauty mark. ;)

      • crazycanuck

        LOL

    • Daltex82

      “Put some Windex on it”.

      Gus Portokalos – My Big Fat Greek Wedding!

      • conlakappa

        Or Chris Rock’s version: use Tussin!

  • GN

    President Obama delivered positive, classy remarks to the people of Kenya on the eve of their elections:

    • QOakaJP

      ONOZ! The secret Kenyan plot of socialist/communist Muslim gay agenda indoctrination and eventual overthrow of the world has begun!

  • Miranda

    GOOD

    Judge denies George Zimmerman’s request to delay trial

    SANFORD – A judge has denied George Zimmerman’s request to delay his trial in the shooting death of Trayvon Martin. The trial remains set for June 10.

    Zimmerman is the former Neighborhood Watch volunteer charged with second-degree murder for shooting Trayvon, who was unarmed, after calling police and describing him as suspicious.
    The day’s events began in front of the Seminole County Courthouse with family members and supporters singing “Happy Birthday” to Trayvon.

    more here
    http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/trayvon-martin/os-george-zimmerman-evidence-squabble-20130205,0,299770.story

    • rikyrah

      yes!!!

    • http://oldhollywood.net/ woody45

      You know for a guy proclaiming his innocence he sure acts like someone terrified of going to court to prove it.

    • http://oldhollywood.net/ woody45

      You know for a guy proclaiming his innocence he sure acts like someone terrified of going to court to prove it.

  • GN

    I usually agree with Keith Boykin 80% of the time but I don’t totally agree with this:

    @keithboykin
    I trust President Obama to use the drone power judiciously but I am not so certain that future presidents will do so.

    I’m not certain that future presidents won’t declare full-scale war and once again foolishly involve us in nation-building. In fact, I’m quite certain that a McCain/Palin admin would have us involved in a skirmish of some type with Iran by now. Pres O’s foreign policy critics (and albeit Boykin is not really one btw) never seem to credit how far we’ve come since the days of the manufactured Iraq War justifications. Trust that when President Obama’s gone from the WH, we’re going to have more to worry about re: potential return to cowboy foreign policy, than drones.

    • goldenstar

      If there is a kidnapping of the presidency such as GW Bush, there very well could be another takeover of foreign policy and security. I don’t doubt that neocons and worse are looking for the ways to capture this branch of our democracy.

      In fact, I saw Kagan on C-Span this weekend and he was railing and ranting against panel members on the issues of Syria and Obama. They. will. not. rest.

      • QOakaJP

        Imagine if PBO, on the way out the door in 2016, decided to pull the plug on all these programs or let them expire, making it impossible for the next prez to have the same powers at his/her disposal. Talk about heads exploding!

    • Miranda

      Wait…..*re-reads*…are you sure you’re not agreeing with Boykin? LOL, maybe its still early for me, but sounds like you said the same thing he did.

      btw, I agree with you both, as I trust this President in a plethora of ways that I wouldn’t any other, especially when it comes to foreign policy.

      • GN

        lol, reading comprehension fail on my part? Been known to happen.

    • http://pragmaticobotsunite.blogspot.com/ Sepia

      Well, there is a solution to this….

      THREE TERMZ!!!

    • MsKitty

      For all those pooh-poohing about those big bad drones, here’s a question:

      Would you rather use troops instead?

      A simple yes or no will suffice.

      • http://oldhollywood.net/ woody45

        Crickets. Tumbleweed.

      • isonprize

        Ms Kitty, I’ve been saying that since the emos started whining.

        Would love to get them in the room with military spouses and have them whine about their ‘drone complaints’

    • BoomerGal

      Yeah, like North Korea.

  • GreenLadyHere

    miranda – — -***SIGH**** —-More “FALLIN’ SKIES” – – –

    — – -The Legality of Obama’s Lethal Operations-

    — – –Last night Rachel Maddow had her first segment discuss a white paper that discusses the administration’s legal justification for killing people, including Americans, without trial, by executive fiat, if you will. For while President Obama ended the use of torture on his first day in office, for years the administration hid the legal grounds for suing our military to kill suspected terrorists primarily using automated drones. Last year, Secretary Holder, finally addressed the issue, claiming the President employed a three part test before issuing an order to the military or CIA to “kill a U.S. citizen who poses a terrorist threat.”

    Holder outlined a three-part test for determining when a targeted killing against a U.S. citizen is legal. He said the government must determine after careful review that the citizen poses an imminent threat of violent attack against the U.S., capture is not feasible and the killing would be consistent with laws of war. [...]

    – — -SNIP– –
    – – -The administration has never released the alleged memorandum that stands behind the claim the these actions are not illegal under existing law. However, NBC reporter, Michael Isikoff, has obtained a 15 page “white paper” that discusses the administration’s legal basis for these killings (the document can be found online here. The implications it reveals, not only for the current use of drones and other military operations to kill Americans, is very troubling, the moreso when one realizes that future administrations may consider it as precedent for expanding the power of the executive branch’s use of the military to act as the proverbial “judge, jury and executioner” despite the provisions in our constitution (primarily Article III and the fourth, fifth and sixth amendments) that require due process and prohibit one branch of the government from acting unilaterally to deprive “persons” of their right to life.

    THERE IS MORE — – – – – -DRONE ON!

    – – -Waitaminute. . . — .Don’t we have some ECONOMIC ISSUES 2 ADDRESS!?? – – – – —I THOUGHT SO!! – – – – -geesh!!

    – – -PLEASE PROCEED – – annnd move FORWARD – – – -> – -MR. PRESIDENT!! :>) – — – -THANK U. sir. :>) – –

    • crazycanuck

      I think Maddow should enlist in the army

      • GreenLadyHere

        Good MornTin’ crazycanuck. ***BIG HUG*** :>)

        — – -LOL – —-Bu — bu — BUT – — She’s soooo – –smaaaaaaart! :>) – – – – –

        – – – –BETTA – – -SHE CAN DO – —THIS!! – –LOL

        – – – -Good 2 C U cc.:>)

    • Jziglar

      I am so tired of hearing the emo left whine about drones. Yes we should have some concerns but just because one American was targeted who was a terrorist does not mean that Americans are being targeted left and right.

  • Miranda
    • goldenstar

      Oy, and she’s black, too. I think that the topic would be better served if she went on about the Black Body and not just the behinds. The Black Body is of critical importance to these white power freaks. It’s why Prof. Dororthy Roberts wrote the book, Killing the Black Body dealing with reproductive rights and why lynchings had a real psycho-sexual component.

      Sick and very very real.

      • http://pragmaticobotsunite.blogspot.com/ Sepia

        But that would require Krissah Thompson to act like a real journalist and not a puppet regurgitating her WaPo massas’ talking points.

        • Town

          Isn’t she the asshole who claimed Obama’s black poll ratings went from 85% to 58% in a week and offered no explanation why?

      • conlakappa

        Tell it. We must always exist neath their gazes.

    • Kennymack1971

      Sigh. These white dudes are just telling on themselves with their comments about FLOTUS . Still they need to show some damn respect.

    • isonprize

      and they wonder why The Obamas don’t attend their parties? LOLOLOL

      This ‘article’ was serious waste of space. I couldn’t even finish reading it. I got stuff to do.

      • GOVCHRIS1988

        I bet you that at that first party they had at the White House after the inauguration when Michelle wore that black beaded dress, all the White dudes were looking at her hard. After that, you didn’t see many of those parties. And who could blame them. Why the hell would you want those butt ugly white dudes drooling over your wife like that. Hell, I understand why President Obama hangs more with Hollywood and normal people than the beltway, because unlike the beltway, they don’t purchase $50,000 an hour white puss who looks like Heidi Klum and Keira Knightly. This is a Hottentot Venus fantasy with these men. I’m sure of it. Sure, try and parade and demean her in public, but fantasize and in Sarah Baartman’s case,(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarah_Baartman) act upon it in private.

        • Worldwatcher7

          Just yesterday I heard that some White guys were joking about Beyonce’s thighs during her Supeerbowl performance. It seems they were calling her fat.

          Because really, who could ever find that po’ lil’ homely chile attractive?

          • BoomerGal

            They’ve always portrayed the white man wanting skinny and flat. NOT SO!!!

          • Town

            Beyonce’s thighs ARE jumbo…

            …and the men loves it.

            We didn’t see any men screaming over Michelle Williams’s thighs, did we?

      • GOVCHRIS1988

        I bet you that at that first party they had at the White House after the inauguration when Michelle wore that black beaded dress, all the White dudes were looking at her hard. After that, you didn’t see many of those parties. And who could blame them. Why the hell would you want those butt ugly white dudes drooling over your wife like that. Hell, I understand why President Obama hangs more with Hollywood and normal people than the beltway, because unlike the beltway, they don’t purchase $50,000 an hour white puss who looks like Heidi Klum and Keira Knightly. This is a Hottentot Venus fantasy with these men. I’m sure of it. Sure, try and parade and demean her in public, but fantasize and in Sarah Baartman’s case,(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarah_Baartman) act upon it in private.

    • conlakappa

      Sally Quinn’s influence at play in at least one negative article a month about the First Lady penned by a black woman. I think she’ll have as easy a time facing her neighbors in Upper Marlboro as Verna, Vilma, whatever that woman’s name who was “exhausted” about explaining her support for the President.

  • GreenLadyHere

    miranda – – – —GEESH!! — – –The RE-THUCKER — “WAR on WOMEN” – – -CONTINUES – —

    – – -Eight Senators Vote To Block Violence Against Women Act – –

    – – – – -Eight Senators on Monday voted not to consider the reauthorization of the Violence Against Women Act, a bill that protects victims of domestic violence. The Senators who voted against moving to debate on the bill were: Sens. Ted Cruz (R-TX), Mike Lee (R-UT), Tim Scott (R-SC), Marco Rubio (R-FL), Mike Johanns (R-NE), Rand Paul (R-KY), Pat Roberts (R-KS), and James Risch (R-ID).

    VAWA’s reauthorization has been caught up in partisan gridlock over added provisions that would protect undocumented immigrants, as well as LGBT and Native American victims of domestic violence. Congress failed to reauthorize the bill by the end of 2012, and the Senate is now considering the same legislation again, in its new legislative session.

    — -All of the women in the Senate, with the exception of Sen. Deb Fischer (R-NE), co-sponsored the legislation.
    THERE IS MORE

    – – –EVEN da — -RE-THUCKER –WIMMIN!! – – – -DISGUSTING!! – – –

    [Gotta "bounce" early. MISSIN' U/CARRYIN' U - -IN MY ♥. :>) - --B BLESSED 2-DAY. :>) - -]

    • goldenstar

      Where is the CBC when they are really really needed….

      • Kennymack1971

        Still wearing their bedroom slippers and waiting to be unleashed.

      • Admiral_Komack

        Looking for their slippers…the slippers that they always seem to have in hand when it comes to President Obama.

    • http://pragmaticobotsunite.blogspot.com/ Sepia

      I wonder what the wives of these men think about their anti-women views?

      • isonprize

        Depends on whether they have completed their Stepford transformations…

        Old school Rethug women (looking at Babs Bush, Betty Ford, Kay Bailey Hutchison) used to actually open their mouths without spouting the bs that women-hating men wanted them to say.

        I don’t know where they got this current crop of misogynistic women from….

  • Miranda

    The ‘rabid’ hate aimed at Trayvon Martin

    Eighteen years ago today, Trayvon Benjamin Martin was born to Sabrina Fulton and Tracy Martin. Nearly a year ago, their son was killed by George Zimmerman, a neighborhood watch volunteer in a gated community in Sanford, Fla., who viewed Trayvon as “a real suspicious guy.” Instead, the unarmed teenager was found with a bag of Skittles and an iced tea from 7-Eleven and a bullet hole in his chest from Zimmerman’s Kel-Tec 9 mm PF-9.

    Zimmerman now awaits trial for second-degree murder. A trial that his attorney is trying to delay. But he will have his day in court. Meanwhile, the court of public opinion is working overtime. Depending on whom you talk to, Zimmerman is an unrepentant murderer and Trayvon had it coming.

    more here
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/wp/2013/02/05/the-rabid-hate-aimed-at-trayvon-martin/

    • isonprize

      Today would have been Trayvon Martin’s 18th birthday. I can’t even imagine how his parents must feel. sigh….

  • isonprize

    Philadelphia in the HOUSE!!!!

    • Miranda

      Their stories just fascinate me.

  • Miranda

    GOOD

    U.S. sues S&P over subprime ratings

    The Justice Department has filed a lawsuit against Standard & Poor’s, bringing renewed focus to the inaccurate ratings of subprime mortgage securities that helped trigger the financial crisis.
    A spokeswoman for Justice confirmed that the suit was filed in federal court late Monday in Los Angeles. Attorney General Eric Holder will announce it at a news conference later Tuesday, an official told CNN.

    more here
    http://money.cnn.com/2013/02/05/news/economy/sandp-subprime-lawsuit/

    • http://pragmaticobotsunite.blogspot.com/ Sepia

      But drones, tho. /EmoProg Logic

  • http://pragmaticobotsunite.blogspot.com/ Sepia

    Suuuuuuuuuuuure….

    CNN Denies Exec Called Morning Viewers “Too Ethnic”

    A CNN spokeswoman denied Friday that CNN Senior Vice President Bart Feder complained that the viewership of the “Early Start” and “Starting Point” morning programs was “too ethnic,” based on the high concentration of minority viewers.

    “The quotes attributed to Bart Feder in the FishbowlDC’s blog are false,” Christal Jones told Journal-isms in an email. She did not respond when asked what Feder actually said.

    In discussing the future of CNN correspondent and anchor Soledad O’Brien, Betsy Rothstein wrote Wednesday in FishbowlDC, “. . . Many staffers were stunned when Feder constantly complained that the viewership of ‘Early Start’ and ‘Starting Point’ was ‘too ethnic,’ based on the high concentration of minority viewers. This common complaint worked itself up through the company, to CNN’s Diversity Committee, and to other staffers, who were mortified that a CNN executive was squabbling over attracting minority viewers.”

    Rothstein later added this note: “UPDATE: To clarify, Feder’s issue with ‘Starting Point’ was that the audience was too small and happened to be predominately comprised of minorities. A source close to the show insists that the ethnicity of the audience was never the issue, it was the size. Feder in no way meant to imply that the audience was too ethnic.”

    MORE: http://mije.org/richardprince/diversity-friendly-steve-capus-leaving-nbc-news#CNN

  • Miranda

    *giggle*

    Republicans Are Upset That Obama Is Giving Remarks At The Same Time As Eric Cantor’s Speech
    GOP officials take to Twitter to voice their discontent.

    http://www.buzzfeed.com/zekejmiller/republicans-are-upset-that-obama-is-giving-remarks

    • isonprize

      LOLOLOLOLOL

      They just now learnin’ to use Twitter, and THIS is what they complain about??

      LOLOLOLOLOL

    • GOVCHRIS1988

      Lets see. One is a semi important House Majority Leader. The other is a very important President of the United States. Don’t get mad because nobody will be looking at your shit.

      • conlakappa

        Of course, no one would have been looking any way but at least they can pre-complain that Hairdo didn’t have a proper audience. He is speaking at a conservative think tank. Was it scheduled already to be on CSPAN? Sheesh, who knew the President was supposed to send Outlook invitations to the opposition party to ensure no scheduling conflicts?!

    • BoomerGal

      Fuck Eric Cantor the son of satan.

      • Daltex82

        I was going to reply, but I think this says it all LOL!

  • Miranda

    HAHA! Oh so you wanna make your tea party babies sit in the corner?

    Top Donors to Republicans Seek More Say in Senate Races

    COUNCIL BLUFFS, Iowa — The biggest donors in the Republican Party are financing a new group to recruit seasoned candidates and protect Senate incumbents from challenges by far-right conservatives and Tea Party enthusiasts who Republican leaders worry could complicate the party’s efforts to win control of the Senate.

    The group, the Conservative Victory Project, is intended to counter other organizations that have helped defeat establishment Republican candidates over the last two election cycles. It is the most robust attempt yet by Republicans to impose a new sense of discipline on the party, particularly in primary races.

    “There is a broad concern about having blown a significant number of races because the wrong candidates were selected,” said Steven J. Law, the president of American Crossroads, the “super PAC” creating the new project. “We don’t view ourselves as being in the incumbent protection business, but we want to pick the most conservative candidate who can win.”

    more here
    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/03/us/politics/top-gop-donors-seek-greater-say-in-senate-races.html?_r=0

    • Daltex82

      It would be nice if a few competent Democrats could sneak in and take a few of those seats while they are fighting.

  • conlakappa

    Wow, a lynching every 4 days. Too deep to ponder. I used to talk about that on the orange: it would be rare to meet a black person whose life wasn’t touched in some way by lynching. Either it happened to a relative or a relative left the South because he’d gotten wind that the Klan/local police was coming for him that night.

  • http://pragmaticobotsunite.blogspot.com/ Sepia

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  • Miranda

    Chris Rock to Hill for gun control plan

    Comedian Chris Rock, long outspoken about the issues of guns in American culture, is heading to Capitol Hill on Wednesday to support President Barack Obama’s new gun control package in the wake of the Newtown, Conn., shootings

    Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2013/02/chris-rock-to-hill-for-gun-control-plan-87200.html#ixzz2K2vzZCnl

    • goldenstar

      And Rock recently told the Television Critics Association, “The gun lobby also says people need to be able to protect their property. … “But every mass shooting is done by guys who live with their mother. So I believe you should need to have a mortgage to buy a gun. A mortgage is a real background check. Even if you go to jail for 30 years, you’ve still got to pay your f—-king mortgage.”

      Love that Tony Bennett and Anna Deveare Smith are part of his posse!

  • Miranda

    Native American Drops Some Much Needed Knowledge on Crowd of Illegal Immigration Protesters

    After encountering yet another group of illegal immigration protesters spouting off the usual xenophobic, jingoist bromides, a Native American man in Tucson, Arizona, decides to stage a poignant, if somewhat belated, illegal immigration protest of his own.
    http://gawker.com/5981765/native-american-drops-some-much-needed-knowledge-on-crowd-of-illegal-immigration-protesters

    • Alma98

      Tell’em!

    • vulcan_girl

      “We should have put that sign up when you son-of-a-bitches arrived!”

      Looks like he broke up that party!

    • BoomerGal

      He’s not lying. That’s the cold hard truth of the matter. All of these mutha’s are IMMIGRANTS who were NOT invited here. Blacks are the ONLY ONES who DID NOT ASK TO COME HERE!!!!

    • http://pragmaticobotsunite.blogspot.com/ Sepia

      I see no lies.

  • Alma98

    Hello all! Just feeling silly today lol.

    • qosine

      LOL!

    • http://pragmaticobotsunite.blogspot.com/ Sepia

      LOL!

    • Daltex82

      LOL!

  • http://pragmaticobotsunite.blogspot.com/ Sepia

    Mary Bruce ‏@marykbruce
    Obama to travel to Israel this spring, White House announces.

    • conlakappa

      Um, did he check Cantor’s calendar first?!!!

  • http://pragmaticobotsunite.blogspot.com/ Sepia

    Domenico Montanaro, the Deputy Political Editor for NBCNews, tweets this:

    Domenico Montanaro ‏@DomenicoNBC
    Obama once again uses the briefing room as a stage instead of answering questions. Don’t want to “break his flow” or anything

    Then gets read for filth: http://twitter.com/DomenicoNBC/status/298859730447785985

    • Alma98

      LOL! He blocking people with his thin-skinned ass.

    • MsKitty

      He’s a “proxy for the people”, eh?

      Somebody has quite the overblown opinion of themselves.

  • rikyrah

    Well, to each his own.
    I have long given up on folks who’d rather cling to WHITENESS than vote in their own economic best interests.

    Black people just need to get to the polls..once they get there, they vote in their own self-interest.

    No the picture of the ‘voter that votes against their own economic interests’ is one of a blue-collar White voter.

    I know the President is the President of All of America. But to be honest he should just say f ‘em.

    They hate him because he’s BLACK. -straight up, no chaser.

    And nothing he can do would convince them otherwise because they cling to that Whiteness.

    And the Democrats have plenty of WORKING CLASS FOLKS.

    Working class BLACK voters.

    Working class LATINO voters.

    Working class ASIAN voters.

    None of which have a problem voting their own economic interests.
    …………………………….

    I Haven’t Given Up on White People

    by BooMan
    Mon Feb 4th, 2013 at 09:44:34 PM EST

    I really do not like the headline of Ron Brownstein’s new piece in the National Journal, but I think it is still an outstanding article. The headline says that Obama is giving up on attracting right-leaning white voters. A more accurate headline would say that the Democrats have a governing majority that doesn’t need to pander to right-leaning white voters anymore.
    I encourage you to read Brownstein’s piece, even though it is quite long. I think it is important to familiarize yourself with the facts and statistics that Brownstein has assembled. If I can summarize his piece as concisely as possible, it argues that the Democrats no longer need to have a Blue Dog wing in order to dominate national elections. As a result, the party is more unified, more progressive, and more alienating to the white working class and rural, religious voters than ever before.

    I think that is accurate. But there is a debate about what it means going forward. Some think that Obama had an unnatural and non-replicable appeal to minority voters. A future Democrat won’t be able to win the same percentages or achieve the same turnout, which will force them to find ways to appeal better to right-leaning whites. Others think that this very polarization is only going to become more magnified as the Republicans continue to alienate the ascendent demographics of the electorate.

    …………………..

    I think most of Obama’s coalition will turn out for his successor, as long as they feel that his successor is going to continue on the same path.

    http://www.boomantribune.com/story/2013/2/4/214434/7896

  • rikyrah

    Why Obama Is Giving Up on Right-Leaning Whites

    For decades, Democrats shaped their policies around fears of the culturally conservative white voters to the GOP. But Obama’s winning coalition has altered that calculus.
    by Ron Brownstein

    With his suddenly aggressive second-term agenda, President Obama is recasting the Democratic Party around the priorities of the growing coalition that reelected him—and, in the process, reshaping the debate with the GOP in ways that will reverberate through 2016 and beyond.

    On issues from gay rights to gun control, immigration reform, and climate change—all of which he highlighted in his ringing Inaugural Address last week—Obama is now unreservedly articulating the preferences of the Democratic “coalition of the ascendant” centered on minorities, the millennial generation, and socially liberal upscale whites, especially women. Across all of these issues, and many others such as the pace of withdrawal from Afghanistan and ending the ban on women in combat, Obama is displaying much less concern than most national Democratic leaders since the 1960s about antagonizing culturally conservative blue-collar, older, and rural whites, many of whom oppose them.

    This pattern may partly reflect the sense of liberation that close allies say Obama feels because he will never have to run for office again. But even more important than the fact of his reelection may be the nature of it. Obama in 2012 faced even larger electoral deficits than he had four years earlier among the culturally conservative white voters whom Democrats have often feared to alienate by moving too far left, particularly on social and foreign policy issues. Yet his strong support from the key groups in his coalition allowed to him to not just win but to win comfortably, capturing 332 Electoral College votes and becoming only the third Democratic president ever to reach at least 51 percent of the popular vote twice.

    In his victory, Obama reshaped the Democratic coalition by both addition and subtraction. Because so many of the blue-collar and older whites who formerly anchored the conservative end of the Democratic base abandoned Obama, and because more-liberal voters took their place, the coalition that reelected him was much more ideologically unified around a left-leaning agenda than has been usual for a Democratic nominee.

    http://www.nationaljournal.com/magazine/why-obama-is-giving-up-on-right-leaning-whites-20130131?page=1

    • http://oldhollywood.net/ woody45

      “Because so many of the blue-collar and older whites who formerly anchored the conservative end of the Democratic base abandoned Obama,”

      These people have a long history of voting against their own best interest. I’m not saying they have to agree with everything PBO does but they bought Republican con job hook line and sinker . Now they have no one to blame but themselves. They abandoned PBO for who? Romney? If they think Mittens would have lifted a finger to help them they’re more delusional than I thought.

      • Town

        They were voting in their psychological best interests. We have seen too many times in this country that many white people would rather close up shop (and school systems) rather than co-exist with black people in any equal way or form.

        That’s what Romney meant when he said the economy would instantly get better the minute he was re-elected. He meant white people would feel better about themselves, better about their future once a white man was back in power.

        • isonprize

          We have seen too many times in this country that many white people would rather close up shop (and school systems) rather than co-exist with black people in any equal way or form.

          Town breaks it down…

  • GreenLadyHere

    miranda- — THIS is 4 the emoprogs/PLs- –so THEY can have MORE 2 DWELL ON- —than their- –DRONES!- —

    — -Pres. Obama on March 1st Spending Cuts- – –

    – —– Washington, DC
    Tuesday, February 5, 2013

    Pres. Obama asked Congress, in remarks at the White House, to pass short term legislation to cut spending and increase tax revenue so the so called “sequester” can be delayed for a few months. March 1st is when automatic spending cuts in both defense and non defense spending will take place.

    The President stated that the economy is moving in the right direction but Congress needs more time to come up with a “balanced mix of spending cuts and tax reform.”- – –

    – — —- -LEADERSHIP!! :>)- — –

  • Alma98

    Hey guys I’m starting to worry about AG we haven’t heard from her in awhile . AG if you’re out there I hope everything is ok with your daughter sending you healing thoughts and loving light.

    • vulcan_girl

      Me, too, Alma. She and her family have been on my mind and in my prayers all weekend.

    • vulcan_girl

      Me, too, Alma. She and her family have been on my mind and in my prayers all weekend.

  • Miranda

    Afternoon thread is up!