October 25, 2014

Wednesday Afternoon Thread: ICYMI Videos!

From PoliticsNation:

The special relationship between President Obama and VP Biden

The Kids Are Alright – First Daughters Steal The Spotlight

From Martin Bashir:

Conservatives Freakout over “Liberal” Inaugural Speech

From The Last Word:

The Rewrite – rewriting conservatives over the Inaugural Address

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  • GN

    Black people stay catching hell in post-racial political America:

    @BlackCanseco
    GOP Alderman asks Black reporter “Should we deport you back to Kenya with Obama?!” http://bit.ly/XxSUhf #asshat #tcot

    Reminds me of the black CNN camerawoman who had nuts thrown at her while she was called an animal at the RNC. As quick as malice against other groups is recognized, I remember CNN being slow and hesitant to fully report on what took place with their own employee at that convention.

    • AxelFoley

      GOP alderman would have had to have emergency surgery to remove my foot from his ass.

      • GreenLadyHere

        LOL AxelFoley. —-Seeee. . . .LOL. — –

        Handle yo bizness!- -LOL

      • Alma98

        I have just the right boots for it too, my husband calls them my ass kicking boots cause their so pointy.

    • conlakappa

      As well as that latina R delegate. Stay classy, true conservatives, stay classy.

      Love the clips of the girls. Did anyone notice when Malia said, “oh! There’s a camera right there!” before the parade began? She was fairly chill after that, seeming to be a typical teenaged girl who doesn’t want extra looking at her.

    • Alma98

      But GN black people are the problem we’re making them say things like this because PBO won’t talk about race. snark-snark

      • GN

        Well I’m on record (some may say, broken record lol) as seeing an otherwise great speech as flawed because it didn’t list bigotry against black people as something which has got to stop, but anyone who thinks that PBO or anyone black is responsible for this type of behavior is ensconced in a bubble. Racism against black people very much so predated the current admin and will postdate it too. A study from a few months ago found that racist attitudes against black people have worsened during the past years.

        • Alma98

          I’m talking about the Milloy article saying the PBO needs to talk about race. I’m of the it’s a white people problem to solve. You remember that piece robinswing wrote called We Can’t Fix YA! this is what I’m talking about. http://criticalmassprogress.com/2012/03/23/we-cant-fix-ya/ I don’t mind PBO saying black people are still facing racism in this country. What I’m pissed at is people thinking he can change minds and solve racism.

        • Miranda

          I think PBO’s speech only mentioned instances of what has to stop in the context of the constitution. we have constitutional rights which protect against discrimination, but racism is not going to be stopped…EVER…as in EVER NEVER. It will be here till heaven and earth pass away. No amount of PBO mentioning how horrible racism is will do anything because that is a mindset that’s been here since Cain and Able.

          • GN

            True, one person can’t solve racism, totally agreed, he’s not a magician, but I thought that not making direct reference to black oppression while listing challenges going forward, especially in front of a black crowd which moved heaven and earth, was an omission. Homophobia and bigotry against undocumented immigrants were hardly solved with a speech, but they were acknowledged.

            It was one speech. Made by a POTUS who in fairness never gave an indication that overt black issues were ever going to be on the agenda (IMO to keep reactionaries at bay), so I understand that. Just my critique of that speech.

          • GN

            True, one person can’t solve racism, totally agreed, he’s not a magician, but I thought that not making direct reference to black oppression while listing challenges going forward, especially in front of a black crowd which moved heaven and earth, was an omission. Homophobia and bigotry against undocumented immigrants were hardly solved with a speech, but they were acknowledged.

            It was one speech. Made by a POTUS who in fairness never gave an indication that overt black issues were ever going to be on the agenda (IMO to keep reactionaries at bay), so I understand that. Just my critique of that speech.

          • Miranda

            But what are the overt black issues? Remember that story about Rosa Lee Cunningham? A lot of people will say that’s an overt black issue and nothing President Obama or any set of laws will help that. No set of laws will help the number of young black boys shooting each other each and every day from Atlanta to Chicago to L.A. When Bill Cosby spoke to overt black issues, remember the backlash? Don’t know if you saw the documentary “Hard Times At Douglass High” about this high school in Baltimore…but it was the epitome of overt black issues and not a thing President Obama or any set of laws can do to fix what ails the entire community. President Obama spoke about fathers and Lord knows paternal absence is an issue – but what happened? You had black folks mad cuz he “singled them out”. A judge here in Atlanta a few years ago actually told all the public defenders and D.A.s to leave because he just wanted to address all the defendants in his court that day…nothing but young black boys. This judge had had ENOUGH. He was a black man tired of his courtroom being the most constant fixture in their life. What happened? Other black people got mad that he did it. Did you see that article in the open thread on Chief Keef? He’s not an anomaly, he’s a norm in many many communities. President Obama gave a whole speech on race before he ever got elected. He doesn’t have to mention it again. Like my daddy said “you know the odds…go beat’em”. We can’t fix Rosa Lee, Chief Keef or the knuckleheads going into the penal system today, not because of racism, but because of a lot of other reasons that Bill Cosby talked about a decade ago.

          • Miranda

            But what are the overt black issues? Remember that story about Rosa Lee Cunningham? A lot of people will say that’s an overt black issue and nothing President Obama or any set of laws will help that. No set of laws will help the number of young black boys shooting each other each and every day from Atlanta to Chicago to L.A. When Bill Cosby spoke to overt black issues, remember the backlash? Don’t know if you saw the documentary “Hard Times At Douglass High” about this high school in Baltimore…but it was the epitome of overt black issues and not a thing President Obama or any set of laws can do to fix what ails the entire community. President Obama spoke about fathers and Lord knows paternal absence is an issue – but what happened? You had black folks mad cuz he “singled them out”. A judge here in Atlanta a few years ago actually told all the public defenders and D.A.s to leave because he just wanted to address all the defendants in his court that day…nothing but young black boys. This judge had had ENOUGH. He was a black man tired of his courtroom being the most constant fixture in their life. What happened? Other black people got mad that he did it. Did you see that article in the open thread on Chief Keef? He’s not an anomaly, he’s a norm in many many communities. President Obama gave a whole speech on race before he ever got elected. He doesn’t have to mention it again. Like my daddy said “you know the odds…go beat’em”. We can’t fix Rosa Lee, Chief Keef or the knuckleheads going into the penal system today, not because of racism, but because of a lot of other reasons that Bill Cosby talked about a decade ago.

          • GN

            We have some internal problems as well, I agree, but racism remains a huge issue in this country. Broken homes don’t account for the propensity of black people, especially black men, to be prosecuted more often and with more vigor than their white counterparts for the same crimes. Idiot rappers aren’t responsible for the choice of too many employers, especially small employers, to refuse to hire black people. I also agree that one person can’t snap fingers and fix this, just as no one can snap fingers and fix homophobia or bigotry against hispanics. Doesn’t mean that it can’t be acknowledged when listing ills in this society which need to be addressed for us to form a more perfect union.

          • MonieTalks

            I feel your passion gn, and I know this is on your mind heavily.

            But when you have NAACP chapter suing over soda bans and “silently marching” over “stop and frisk” policies, clearly priorities are screwed up, even amongst our more politically minded Black people…so how can we even mobilize those who are not as in tune with community building when the Black activist class sucks?

          • GN

            To be frank, I actually really appreciate and enjoy these debates. I may not agree with every single thing, but the points here are always well-made and indeed passionate. No comment re: the soda ban suit though, um, I’ont know nothing about that lol… :-)

          • Town

            President Obama spoke about fathers and Lord knows paternal absence is an issue – but what happened? You had black folks mad cuz he “singled them out”.
            ———————–

            And Pres. Obama knows what lack of a dad in the house can feel like, because HIS dad wasn’t in the house. He’s lucky he had his granddad and that his granddad accepted him b/c in those times it wasn’t acceptable to go around claiming your mulatto relations.

          • isonprize

            Not only did Pops ‘accept’ him, he also LOVED him and raised him. According to all accounts of Barack Obama as a child, wherever Pops went, Barry was RIGHT THERE.

            http://www.americanthinker.com/standunham.jpg

        • MonieTalks

          Ya know, this morning Roland Martin was on Starting Point and he was giddy saying that VP Biden loved politics and socializing, etc with Washington, which the PBO did not. VP Biden was that dude because he had so many relationships and continued to cultivate them. It was the ubiquitous dig that every person with a microphone and keyboard LOVES to repeat as if all of Washington’s dysfunctions would be solved if PBO hung out more, busted dance moves, spent nights at the bar, and spent time away from his family to convince Congresscritters who are sitting on multiple terms to do their damn job.

          Yet Martin and numerous others who repeat this dumb ass logic never mentions that it could be disturbing to the President’s core that these same Congress people have maligned everything from his birth, lineage, his stances, and have disrespected him with unprecedented means like we have never seen before. VP Joe Biden has NEVER been on the receiving end of any of this treatment. EVER.

          So many people KNOW the nasty undercurrent of racism that is rising each and every day….record numbers of Latinos and Asians in addition to Blacks let us know that last November. I can assure you the despicable treatment dished to THIS President was one of the top reasons my President took his second oath of office on Monday. People know because people FEEL it….and they don’t need a resounding speech to make it clear.

          • GN

            Solid points. Can’t disagree with a thing you said.

          • GN

            Solid points. Can’t disagree with a thing you said.

          • crazycanuck

            All black people everywhere saw it. From the US to Africa to Europe to the Caribbean. We all know what it was all about.

          • crazycanuck

            All black people everywhere saw it. From the US to Africa to Europe to the Caribbean. We all know what it was all about.

          • Town

            The entire WORLD saw it from Europe to South & Central America to Asia to the Middle East. The penguins in Antartica saw it.

        • MonieTalks

          Ya know, this morning Roland Martin was on Starting Point and he was giddy saying that VP Biden loved politics and socializing, etc with Washington, which the PBO did not. VP Biden was that dude because he had so many relationships and continued to cultivate them. It was the ubiquitous dig that every person with a microphone and keyboard LOVES to repeat as if all of Washington’s dysfunctions would be solved if PBO hung out more, busted dance moves, spent nights at the bar, and spent time away from his family to convince Congresscritters who are sitting on multiple terms to do their damn job.

          Yet Martin and numerous others who repeat this dumb ass logic never mentions that it could be disturbing to the President’s core that these same Congress people have maligned everything from his birth, lineage, his stances, and have disrespected him with unprecedented means like we have never seen before. VP Joe Biden has NEVER been on the receiving end of any of this treatment. EVER.

          So many people KNOW the nasty undercurrent of racism that is rising each and every day….record numbers of Latinos and Asians in addition to Blacks let us know that last November. I can assure you the despicable treatment dished to THIS President was one of the top reasons my President took his second oath of office on Monday. People know because people FEEL it….and they don’t need a resounding speech to make it clear.

        • GN

          For what it’s worth, most of what I’ve read from a pretty ideologically diverse group of sources disagrees with me too; ex. credit where due to MHP, the below is nicely said

          When the president name-checked the watershed moments of the women’s rights, civil rights and LGBT equality movements, he offered a powerful moment of official recognition. And recognition matters, even if there is no explicit policy agenda immediately attached to it. I am not implying that the Obama administration lacks a policy agenda to advance the social, legal and economic equality of those groups. And I am not suggesting that this speech is sufficient to realize that end, or that these rhetorical flourishes liberate the Obama administration from political accountability to these constituencies.

          [snip]

          Fair recognition and just distribution are not alternatives; they are companions in political struggle. The civil rights movement from which Martin Luther King Jr. emerged was as much a movement of recognition as it was of redistribution. Black people were organized for integration of schools, economic opportunity and political power, but they used a recognition strategy to get there. Marches, sit-ins and boycotts used black bodies in new ways. Segregated labor, housing, education and public space allowed black life to occur in the shadows, far from the consciousness of most white Americans. The civil rights movement forced the country to recognize the accomplishments, the sufferings and the humanity of black people by making their experiences starkly visible and claiming the right to be recognized. Being seen was part of the struggle. Being seen is still part of the struggle. President Obama’s inaugural address is yet another step in the long march toward fairness.

          http://www.thenation.com/article/172376/seneca-falls-selma-stonewall#

        • GN

          For what it’s worth, most of what I’ve read from a pretty ideologically diverse group of sources disagrees with me too; ex. credit where due to MHP, the below is nicely said

          When the president name-checked the watershed moments of the women’s rights, civil rights and LGBT equality movements, he offered a powerful moment of official recognition. And recognition matters, even if there is no explicit policy agenda immediately attached to it. I am not implying that the Obama administration lacks a policy agenda to advance the social, legal and economic equality of those groups. And I am not suggesting that this speech is sufficient to realize that end, or that these rhetorical flourishes liberate the Obama administration from political accountability to these constituencies.

          [snip]

          Fair recognition and just distribution are not alternatives; they are companions in political struggle. The civil rights movement from which Martin Luther King Jr. emerged was as much a movement of recognition as it was of redistribution. Black people were organized for integration of schools, economic opportunity and political power, but they used a recognition strategy to get there. Marches, sit-ins and boycotts used black bodies in new ways. Segregated labor, housing, education and public space allowed black life to occur in the shadows, far from the consciousness of most white Americans. The civil rights movement forced the country to recognize the accomplishments, the sufferings and the humanity of black people by making their experiences starkly visible and claiming the right to be recognized. Being seen was part of the struggle. Being seen is still part of the struggle. President Obama’s inaugural address is yet another step in the long march toward fairness.

          http://www.thenation.com/article/172376/seneca-falls-selma-stonewall#

    • GreenLadyHere

      HEEY GN ***BIG HUG***- – –:>)

      – — SAY IT ISN’T SO!- –YA MEAN- — -We NOT post-racial?? HAH!-

      – — -No wonder there was an article on the KKK recruitment efforts. – – -THEY KNOW that the CLIMATE is – -RIGHT 4 MORE RACIST ACTIONS – –against –MR. PRESIDENT annnnd ALLA US/POC!- –

      – — BTW- — -IS he in the HOSPITAL orrrrr MORGUE?? –:>) – –

      Good 2 C U. GN. :>) – –

      • GN

        Indeed; these bigots have been wilding out.

        - — BTW- — -IS he in the HOSPITAL orrrrr MORGUE?? –:>) – -

        lol, being caged in such an ignorant, fearful mind is punishment in itself.

    • Daltex82

      GOP Alderman asks Black reporter “Should we deport you back to Kenya with Obama?

      Only if we can put you back in the cave with the rest of the troglodytes motherf**ker!”

      I just don’t have the patience because had that been me it would have read former black reporter.

      • Aquagranny911

        Why can’t we deport people like this alderman to provide sustenance for polar bears who are suffering lack of food due to climate change. He might like it in the Arctic, I understand it is pretty much all white there.

      • Aquagranny911

        Why can’t we deport people like this alderman to provide sustenance for polar bears who are suffering lack of food due to climate change. He might like it in the Arctic, I understand it is pretty much all white there.

        • Daltex82

          LOL!

        • Daltex82

          LOL!

  • GN

    House Passes Debt Ceiling Bill

    The House overwhelmingly voted in favor of a bill to suspend the debt ceiling through May 18. The bill won bipartisan support, and passed with a final vote of 285-144.

    http://www.businessinsider.com/house-debt-ceiling-vote-no-budget-no-pay-2013-1#ixzz2IpHBrJQA

    • nellcote

      I’m sure the markets are calmed that we only have to do this again in 3 months. not.

    • nellcote

      I’m sure the markets are calmed that we only have to do this again in 3 months. not.

  • GN

    h/t Dannie
    African-Americans and Hispanics are especially tied to their libraries and eager to see new services

    Compared to whites, African-Americans and Hispanics are more likely to say libraries are important to them and their families, to say libraries are important to their communities, to access the internet at the library (and feel internet access is a very important service libraries provide), to use library internet access to hunt/apply for jobs, and to visit libraries just to sit and read or study.

    For almost all of the library resources we asked about, African-Americans and Hispanics are significantly more likely than whites to consider them “very important” to the community. That includes: reference librarians, free access to computers/internet, quiet study spaces, research resources, jobs and careers resources, free events, and free meeting spaces.

    When it comes to future services, African-Americans and Hispanics are more likely than whites to support segregating library spaces for different services, having more comfortable spaces for reading, working and relaxing, offering more learning experiences similar to museum exhibits, helping users digitize material such as family photos or historical documents.

    Also, minorities are more likely than whites to say they would use these new services specified in the charts below.

    http://libraries.pewinternet.org/2013/01/22/Library-services/?utm_source=Mailing+List&utm_campaign=66c42fe4cd-Library_Services_01_22_2013&utm_medium=email

    • JojoRaze

      They built a LEED certified, shiny library in the main business artery of the Bronx and that place is open 7 days per week and packed all 7 days. Its has 2 adult floors with computers, job search help, a children’s floor, a Latino history center and a teens-only section. That’s the only good thing, and more fruit vendors, that bloomberg has brought to my life. That library is spanking new, well-cared for and appreciated. I’ve used the free Wi-Fi there loads of times to relax and study,plus get books.

      So I understand this study. The library of the mostly black town I grew up in was a Carnegie library and always packed.

    • JojoRaze

      They built a LEED certified, shiny library in the main business artery of the Bronx and that place is open 7 days per week and packed all 7 days. Its has 2 adult floors with computers, job search help, a children’s floor, a Latino history center and a teens-only section. That’s the only good thing, and more fruit vendors, that bloomberg has brought to my life. That library is spanking new, well-cared for and appreciated. I’ve used the free Wi-Fi there loads of times to relax and study,plus get books.

      So I understand this study. The library of the mostly black town I grew up in was a Carnegie library and always packed.

      • nellcote

        Carnegie was a robber baron of the first order but I have to admire that he built libraries in small towns all across the country. Now that’s a fucking legacy! Which can’t be said of the current crop of robber barons.

      • nellcote

        Carnegie was a robber baron of the first order but I have to admire that he built libraries in small towns all across the country. Now that’s a fucking legacy! Which can’t be said of the current crop of robber barons.

        • JojoRaze

          Because the Carnegie, astors, vanderbilts knew that their money was dirty and b/c of that guilt, tried to do penance. Today’s rich folks like Mittens have no conscience and will tell you to your face that CDS, and sending jobs to China is God’s work. I miss the days of noblesse oblige, which went out of style when Reagan came into power.

    • Daltex82

      I still visit my library to check out the books I’m too cheap to buy.

    • Daltex82

      I still visit my library to check out the books I’m too cheap to buy.

      • Aquagranny911

        Fist bump! I’m on the permanent list at mine for new stuff that comes out. I just got notified that there are only 2 people ahead of me for Sonia Sotomayor’s book.

        I hope they read fast because I am really looking forward to this.

    • Aquagranny911

      “Libraries will get you through times of no money way easier than money would get you through times of no libraries.”

      Just quoting….

    • Aquagranny911

      “Libraries will get you through times of no money way easier than money would get you through times of no libraries.”

      Just quoting….

    • qosine

      Yeah – public libraries. Practically lived at the Fairfax County Public Library growing up. My mom was a reading teacher — I never had a chance:)

    • Town

      Compared to whites, African-Americans and Hispanics are more likely to say libraries are important to them and their families,
      ———
      Which is why I’m sure the next public services target will be libraries.

      If I’m a Teabagger, I”m going to make sure the library on the black/Hispanic side of town is crappy, has only 2 computers with internet access (one of which always gets the blue screen of doom), less book selection, fewer resources and few classes while the library on the white side of town has 20 computers, a coffee lounge, the latest books and magazines, new classes, study rooms, meeting rooms, WiFi etc.

      • GN

        Yup, especially because public libraries are mainly funded on the state and local level. More motivation in 2014 to get them out of these local seats.

        • nellcote

          I’m very proud that our impoverished rural county voted in a half cent raise in the sales tax to keep our libraries open.

  • rikyrah

    Hope For the Future

    by BooMan
    Wed Jan 23rd, 2013 at 01:10:42 PM EST

    I am not surprised that Fox News watchers were not much in the mood to watch the inaugural festivities but I am shocked that only 22% of their audience was in the 25-54 age range. I think it is safe to say that they didn’t do very well with views 24 and younger, so it appears that nearly 80% of their audience was 55 and older. Since advertising rates are tied to the prime 25-54 demographic, this is not good news for Fox’s revenues. It is also an ominous sign for the future. Every day that someone dies of old age is a day that Fox will lose audience share.
    I still remember the 2010 midterms, so I don’t want to predict that the conservative movement is dead, but I think that 2010 was their high water mark. The future will be about managing their decline.

    http://www.boomantribune.com/story/2013/1/23/131042/257

    • Aquagranny911

      We can but hope & I also have to point out that not every one over 54 is a composted rotting turnip!

    • Aquagranny911

      We can but hope & I also have to point out that not every one over 54 is a composted rotting turnip!

      • nellcote

        Or that everyone under 54 is a fair minded liberal.

      • nellcote

        Or that everyone under 54 is a fair minded liberal.

        • Aquagranny911

          Exactly!

        • qosine

          Having taught college, I can testify to that! And I mean all ages don’t line up with the media stereotypes – at all.

    • qosine

      Re: AG and nellcote comments below —

      That’s another reason why I like the net (spec. blogs like this and Twitter) — marketing by age niche goes out the window — another example of “Infinite Diversity in Infinite Combination,” as AG dreams.

    • qosine

      Re: AG and nellcote comments below —

      That’s another reason why I like the net (spec. blogs like this and Twitter) — marketing by age niche goes out the window — another example of “Infinite Diversity in Infinite Combination,” as AG dreams.

  • Miranda
    • isonprize

      BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

  • Aquagranny911

    I am going to embrace the totally frivolous and ask:

    Was I the only person here who wished just a bit that PBO would have given the Vulcan salute while he was taking his oath of office?

    It would seem to me that “Live Long & Prosper” has some strong meaning for the USA. This wish actually comes from the Vulcan concept of IDIC…..

    “Infinite Diversity in Infinite Combination…embracing our otherness & celebrating our difference…I can dream…

    Back to the regularly scheduled Repug ugly fest.

  • Aquagranny911

    I am going to embrace the totally frivolous and ask:

    Was I the only person here who wished just a bit that PBO would have given the Vulcan salute while he was taking his oath of office?

    It would seem to me that “Live Long & Prosper” has some strong meaning for the USA. This wish actually comes from the Vulcan concept of IDIC…..

    “Infinite Diversity in Infinite Combination…embracing our otherness & celebrating our difference…I can dream…

    Back to the regularly scheduled Repug ugly fest.

    • nellcote

      That would have been too awesome. Fox would have called it a black power salute. LOL

    • nellcote

      That would have been too awesome. Fox would have called it a black power salute. LOL

      • Aquagranny911

        LMAO!!!

    • vulcan_girl

      I would have died. And been mad because I wasn’t wearing my IDIC earrings!

  • rikyrah

    Republican Gov Jindal Cuts Hospice for Medicaid Patients

    By: Sarah JonesJan. 23rd, 2013

    Republican Governor Bobby Jindal announced Tuesday that he was cutting Medicaid services for Louisiana’s dying poor, among other services getting the ax. No more hospice, starting February 1st. The terminally ill will no longer have hospice assistance.

    Ironically, the only other state to try this was Arizona, and they found it too expensive in the end. Arizona ended up reinstating hospice. KPLCTV reported:

    Louisiana will become one of only two states to eliminate Medicaid hospice. Arizona was in that mix, but has already reinstituted it because it costs more. “You’re going to pick them up and bring them to the emergency room, to the hospital, which costs considerably more than the $140/day paid for by the state for the Medicaid program,” said Phelps.

    State Senator Dan “Blade” Morrish says state cuts were a must to balance the budget, but the Medicaid hospice plan needs to be looked at again. “There comes a time in budget cuts when there is a line that you just can’t cross anymore,” he said, “and I think we’ve reached that with the hospice issue.”

    Perhaps facing such a budget problem, it might have been wise for Jindal to rehink his plan of killing revenue by getting rid of both personal and corporate state income taxes. Not to worry, he’s going to offset the lost revenue with sales taxes, which hit the poor and middle class far more than they do the wealthy.

    http://www.politicususa.com/republican-gov-jindal-cuts-hospice-medicaid-patients.html

  • rikyrah

    Nancy Pelosi to Dems: Hold out for clean debt limit hike
    Posted by Greg Sargent on January 23, 2013 at 11:47 am

    Nancy Pelosi privately urged House Democrats this morning to vote against the House GOP’s plan for a temporary suspension of the debt ceiling, a House Dem aide says. The Dem game plan: Dems are still holding out for the possibility that they can force Republicans to agree to a clean debt limit hike, possibly even one that lasts a year.

    The GOP temporary debt limit extension is not clean. It contains a provision that would put the pay of Senators in escrow if the Senate doesn’t pass a budget. The plan is being sold to House conservatives with the offer that if they support it, the House GOP will pass its own budget supposedly wiping out the deficit in 10 years.

    According to a Dem aide, Pelosi privately told House Dems this morning that this will set a bad precedent for more GOP debt ceiling game playing. The mere fact that any conditions are attached to it will open the door to the possibility that the GOP could try to attach more conditions to the next extension of the debt limit, which will come up soon, because this one is temporary.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2013/01/23/nancy-pelosi-to-dems-hold-out-for-clean-debt-limit-hike/

  • rikyrah

    Nancy Pelosi to Dems: Hold out for clean debt limit hike
    Posted by Greg Sargent on January 23, 2013 at 11:47 am

    Nancy Pelosi privately urged House Democrats this morning to vote against the House GOP’s plan for a temporary suspension of the debt ceiling, a House Dem aide says. The Dem game plan: Dems are still holding out for the possibility that they can force Republicans to agree to a clean debt limit hike, possibly even one that lasts a year.

    The GOP temporary debt limit extension is not clean. It contains a provision that would put the pay of Senators in escrow if the Senate doesn’t pass a budget. The plan is being sold to House conservatives with the offer that if they support it, the House GOP will pass its own budget supposedly wiping out the deficit in 10 years.

    According to a Dem aide, Pelosi privately told House Dems this morning that this will set a bad precedent for more GOP debt ceiling game playing. The mere fact that any conditions are attached to it will open the door to the possibility that the GOP could try to attach more conditions to the next extension of the debt limit, which will come up soon, because this one is temporary.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2013/01/23/nancy-pelosi-to-dems-hold-out-for-clean-debt-limit-hike/

  • rikyrah

    House GOP cave complete, debt-ceiling suspension passes

    By Steve Benen
    Wed Jan 23, 2013 1:56 PM EST

    Just a few weeks ago, congressional Republicans had a vague-but-consistent position on the debt ceiling. They knew it would have to be raised by mid-February, but before GOP members honored their obligations, they would demand that President Obama and Democrats accept over $1 trillion in spending cuts. Under the Republican plan, no ransom meant no deal.

    It’s hard to overstate how quickly this strategy fell apart. Under pressure from the business community, and with President Obama holding firm, House GOP leaders caved on Friday, announcing they would let the hostage go for practically nothing. And today, Republicans suspended the debt ceiling in exchange for no spending cuts at all.

    The House passed legislation Wednesday to suspend the limit on the nation’s borrowing authority for nearly four months, a move that would eliminate the threat of a government default and give lawmakers more time to address other looming budget deadlines.

    House lawmakers voted 285-144 to pass the bill (HR 325) and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., said Wednesday morning that his chamber would clear the measure for the president’s signature. And although the White House would prefer a long-term extension of borrowing authority, President Barack Obama has said he would not oppose the legislation.

    The bill would suspend the debt limit through May 18, then automatically increase the current $16.4 trillion ceiling to accommodate additional debt accumulated before that date.

    http://maddowblog.msnbc.com/_news/2013/01/23/16663554-house-gop-cave-complete-debt-ceiling-suspension-passes?lite

  • rikyrah

    Maine, you’re kind of a mess right now
    By Laura Conaway
    Wed Jan 23, 2013 1:15 PM EST.

    I used to live and work as a reporter in Maine, at a time when the state Republican Party considered itself to be a true big tent. Generally, that held true for the Democrats as well. Governing in Maine was all about moderation and competence. You may not have agreed with governors like John McKernan (R) or Angus King (I) or John Baldacci (D), but you knew they weren’t going to tank the state.

    Then, in 2010, Republican Paul LePage won a three-way race for governor with less than 40 percent of the vote. Life under the Tea Party favorite has not gone so great. Today the New York Times — far from the capital of Augusta — homes in on Governor LePage’s difficulty dealing with the new Democratic majority in the legislature. LePage has refused to meet with Democratic leaders since December. The NYT reports:

    The rising tensions over the budget were evident last week when the governor met with three independent House members who do not caucus with either the Democrats or Republicans. When they told Mr. LePage that municipalities could be forced to raise property taxes by hundreds of dollars, the governor grew angry, pounded the table, called them “idiots” and later swore at them, according to The Bangor Daily News.

    “He went right through the roof when I asked him the question,” Representative Jeff Evangelos told the newspaper. “He flew up like a jack-in-the-box and ran out of the room and slammed the door.”

    http://maddowblog.msnbc.com/_news/2013/01/23/16662793-maine-youre-kind-of-a-mess-right-now?lite

  • rikyrah

    Maine, you’re kind of a mess right now
    By Laura Conaway
    Wed Jan 23, 2013 1:15 PM EST.

    I used to live and work as a reporter in Maine, at a time when the state Republican Party considered itself to be a true big tent. Generally, that held true for the Democrats as well. Governing in Maine was all about moderation and competence. You may not have agreed with governors like John McKernan (R) or Angus King (I) or John Baldacci (D), but you knew they weren’t going to tank the state.

    Then, in 2010, Republican Paul LePage won a three-way race for governor with less than 40 percent of the vote. Life under the Tea Party favorite has not gone so great. Today the New York Times — far from the capital of Augusta — homes in on Governor LePage’s difficulty dealing with the new Democratic majority in the legislature. LePage has refused to meet with Democratic leaders since December. The NYT reports:

    The rising tensions over the budget were evident last week when the governor met with three independent House members who do not caucus with either the Democrats or Republicans. When they told Mr. LePage that municipalities could be forced to raise property taxes by hundreds of dollars, the governor grew angry, pounded the table, called them “idiots” and later swore at them, according to The Bangor Daily News.

    “He went right through the roof when I asked him the question,” Representative Jeff Evangelos told the newspaper. “He flew up like a jack-in-the-box and ran out of the room and slammed the door.”

    http://maddowblog.msnbc.com/_news/2013/01/23/16662793-maine-youre-kind-of-a-mess-right-now?lite

  • GreenLadyHere

    Good Afternoon miranda/POU FAM♥- — -***BIG HUG*** :>)

    What a POWERFUL COLLECTION of videos. :>) — -THANK U. :>)

    I’ll say it again, that article on SOS hillary [paid her 2008 campaign debt] —was PURPOSEFUL!! —

    She saw the –CLOSE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN MR. PRESIDENT annnd VP Joe. — SHE KNOWS- – that she won’t B endorsed by him. :>)- —

    Sooo- – –she’s “gatherin’ her PUMAS annnd “KALCULATOR KREW/MINIONS” – -ALREADY. UH! — –

    – – -Still luvin’ the SUPPORT[most of the time] —of select portions or the MSNBC CREW!! :>)

    –LOVE♥ 2 the –“YOUNG LADY –‘CHELLES”. :>)—BEAUTIFUL outside annnd inside. :>)- – BLESS THEM. :>)

    Have a good rest of the day. :>)

  • GreenLadyHere

    Good Afternoon miranda/POU FAM♥- — -***BIG HUG*** :>)

    What a POWERFUL COLLECTION of videos. :>) — -THANK U. :>)

    I’ll say it again, that article on SOS hillary [paid her 2008 campaign debt] —was PURPOSEFUL!! —

    She saw the –CLOSE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN MR. PRESIDENT annnd VP Joe. — SHE KNOWS- – that she won’t B endorsed by him. :>)- —

    Sooo- – –she’s “gatherin’ her PUMAS annnd “KALCULATOR KREW/MINIONS” – -ALREADY. UH! — –

    – – -Still luvin’ the SUPPORT[most of the time] —of select portions or the MSNBC CREW!! :>)

    –LOVE♥ 2 the –“YOUNG LADY –‘CHELLES”. :>)—BEAUTIFUL outside annnd inside. :>)- – BLESS THEM. :>)

    Have a good rest of the day. :>)

  • rikyrah

    ‘The era of liberalism is back’
    By Steve Benen

    Wed Jan 23, 2013 10:39 AM EST.

    The initial response from many Republicans to President Obama’s second inaugural address was faux disappointment — they told reporters they hoped Obama would be “conciliatory” to the right and do “outreach” to the GOP in his speech, and the president did neither.

    But yesterday, the message shifted a bit. As media coverage of the address focused on Obama’s unapologetic defense of progressive ideals, the Republican talking points moved to take advantage of the analysis.

    This video was released yesterday by Karl Rove’s attack operation, Crossroad GPS. If you turned the 44-second clip into a drinking game, and took a shot with every reference to the word “liberal,” you might find yourself in the hospital.

    Soon after, we heard arguments like these from GOP leaders.

    http://maddowblog.msnbc.com/_news/2013/01/23/16661448-the-era-of-liberalism-is-back?lite

  • rikyrah

    ‘The era of liberalism is back’
    By Steve Benen

    Wed Jan 23, 2013 10:39 AM EST.

    The initial response from many Republicans to President Obama’s second inaugural address was faux disappointment — they told reporters they hoped Obama would be “conciliatory” to the right and do “outreach” to the GOP in his speech, and the president did neither.

    But yesterday, the message shifted a bit. As media coverage of the address focused on Obama’s unapologetic defense of progressive ideals, the Republican talking points moved to take advantage of the analysis.

    This video was released yesterday by Karl Rove’s attack operation, Crossroad GPS. If you turned the 44-second clip into a drinking game, and took a shot with every reference to the word “liberal,” you might find yourself in the hospital.

    Soon after, we heard arguments like these from GOP leaders.

    http://maddowblog.msnbc.com/_news/2013/01/23/16661448-the-era-of-liberalism-is-back?lite

  • rikyrah

    Rig the Vote: Republicans Push for Soviet Style Elections Where the Loser Wins

    By: Sarah JonesJan. 23rd, 2013

    Bob Shrum, Professor of Public Policy at NYU and Daily Beast contributor, was on the Ed Show discussing how Republicans are trying to gerrymander the Presidency when he announced that Republicans want to “Institutionalize a system where the loser wins… Soviet style election.”

    Ed Schultz started the segment off explaining that Republicans are trying to rig the next election, “Republicans in Virginia, Pennsylvania and Michigan want to change the way they award electoral votes. They aren’t trying to improve the system, they only want to change the electoral process for some people….”

    Republicans aren’t trying to change red states like Kansas. Oh, no. Kansas is fine, thank you very much. Republicans want to change the rules in these blue states currently controlled by Republicans:Michigan, Florida, Ohio, Virginia, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania. Under their new rules,Republicans would have gotten an extra 45 electoral votes for Mitt Romney.

    Bob Shrum summed it up as a felonious assault on elections, “What’s going on here is a felonious assault on free elections. It’s an attempt to gerrymander the presidency. If you think about it, you could argue that the Republicans haven’t won the presidency on the up and up since 1988.”

    Yes, he went there. He continued, “They stole 2000, when they stole Florida with the complicity of the Supreme Court. In 2004, they engaged in massive voter suppression. People in Ohio had to wait 8-10 hours to vote and tens of thousands of them couldn’t wait 8-10 hours. They tried it again in 2012 and they lost. They can’t win the presidency so what they want to do is institutionalize a system where the loser wins… This is a kind of Soviet style elections.

    http://www.politicususa.com/bob-shrum-republicans-soviet-style-elections-loser-wins.html

  • rikyrah

    Rig the Vote: Republicans Push for Soviet Style Elections Where the Loser Wins

    By: Sarah JonesJan. 23rd, 2013

    Bob Shrum, Professor of Public Policy at NYU and Daily Beast contributor, was on the Ed Show discussing how Republicans are trying to gerrymander the Presidency when he announced that Republicans want to “Institutionalize a system where the loser wins… Soviet style election.”

    Ed Schultz started the segment off explaining that Republicans are trying to rig the next election, “Republicans in Virginia, Pennsylvania and Michigan want to change the way they award electoral votes. They aren’t trying to improve the system, they only want to change the electoral process for some people….”

    Republicans aren’t trying to change red states like Kansas. Oh, no. Kansas is fine, thank you very much. Republicans want to change the rules in these blue states currently controlled by Republicans:Michigan, Florida, Ohio, Virginia, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania. Under their new rules,Republicans would have gotten an extra 45 electoral votes for Mitt Romney.

    Bob Shrum summed it up as a felonious assault on elections, “What’s going on here is a felonious assault on free elections. It’s an attempt to gerrymander the presidency. If you think about it, you could argue that the Republicans haven’t won the presidency on the up and up since 1988.”

    Yes, he went there. He continued, “They stole 2000, when they stole Florida with the complicity of the Supreme Court. In 2004, they engaged in massive voter suppression. People in Ohio had to wait 8-10 hours to vote and tens of thousands of them couldn’t wait 8-10 hours. They tried it again in 2012 and they lost. They can’t win the presidency so what they want to do is institutionalize a system where the loser wins… This is a kind of Soviet style elections.

    http://www.politicususa.com/bob-shrum-republicans-soviet-style-elections-loser-wins.html

    • Alma98

      This is what emos & the PL should be talking about.

      • MonieTalks

        and the White House Press Corps…dumb mofos.

        • conlakappa

          What, with the continued paucity of womyn in the Cabinet?!!! Or the controversy over whether Beyonce sang live?!!! Your clear lack of priorities and focus on what really matters is glaring!!! /cheesy grin

        • conlakappa

          What, with the continued paucity of womyn in the Cabinet?!!! Or the controversy over whether Beyonce sang live?!!! Your clear lack of priorities and focus on what really matters is glaring!!! /cheesy grin

          • Aquagranny911

            I had “priorities” Did no one consider that I, myself, me, was totally unanimous in wanting PBO to give the Vulcan “Live Long & Prosper” salute during the inauguration?

            Why are my wishes never considered? I have as big a mouth as anyone & I will scream & bleat like a figged goat until I get exactly what I want!

            Oh, forgot they didn’t include me in the WH press corp. Too bad! I could be so great at asking the “really important” questions.

        • rikyrah

          I can count on ONE HAND, the number of people in the MSM who consistently and persistently brought up the GOP Voter Suppression Efforts of 2012.

          And, none of them were in the WHPC

      • MonieTalks

        and the White House Press Corps…dumb mofos.

    • Alma98

      This is what emos & the PL should be talking about.

  • GreenLadyHere
  • GreenLadyHere
    • nellcote

      This is why I can’t watch football anymore.

    • nellcote

      This is why I can’t watch football anymore.

      • GreenLadyHere

        nellcote – – — – -I’m sooo hopin’ that the trainers/coaches/medical personnel

        — – – – – -LOOKIN’ BEYOND the $$$$$! – – -

  • crazycanuck

    ****Blank Stare****

    I just saw this on my timeline. Somebody in the WHPC asked about Beyonce lip syncing. Please tell me I didn’t see that?

  • crazycanuck

    ****Blank Stare****

    I just saw this on my timeline. Somebody in the WHPC asked about Beyonce lip syncing. Please tell me I didn’t see that?

    • MsKitty

      Nothing those morons ask shocks me anymore.

      • qosine

        “Spectacle”

      • qosine

        “Spectacle”

    • MsKitty

      Nothing those morons ask shocks me anymore.

    • Aquagranny911

      I can’t, I just can’t…..

    • Aquagranny911

      I can’t, I just can’t…..

    • conlakappa

      I hope Carney gave his patented “wait, you’re serious?” look, complete with deadpan and Charlie Brown “good grief” mouth.

    • conlakappa

      I hope Carney gave his patented “wait, you’re serious?” look, complete with deadpan and Charlie Brown “good grief” mouth.

    • nellcote

      Of course you did. It’s the most trivial story from 2 days ago. I’m telling you Carney needs to stop calling on the first two rows.

    • nellcote

      Of course you did. It’s the most trivial story from 2 days ago. I’m telling you Carney needs to stop calling on the first two rows.

    • qosine

      It’s one way for Jay Carney to discredit the “spectacle,” so more and more people really get how the “Press” is now a high paid Celebrity Club.

    • Miranda

      Spokesman Jay Carney declined to comment on reports that Beyonce may have lip-synced a recording of The Star Spangled Banner during Monday’s inauguration, referring questions to congressional officials who organized the event.

      Carney told reporters at the White House briefing that he has “no idea” whether pop star sang the song or not, and, “I really don’t think it’s an important issue to address from the podium here.”

      Pressed on the issue by reporters, Carney told the gaggle: “I’m glad you guys are focused on the important issues of the day.”
      http://www.usatoday.com/story/theoval/2013/01/23/obama-beyonce-inaugural-lip-sync/1859009/

      SMH

      • http://pragmaticobotsunite.blogspot.com/ Sepia

        That’s just so fucking sad and pathetic.

        I want to know who asked the question. Put their dumb ass on full blast.

      • MsKitty

        Jay’s got snark. He needs to use it way more often.

      • crazycanuck

        So after he told them this is bullsh!t and grow up, they pressed the ‘issue’. Unreal.

      • Daltex82

        Even after he told them it wasn’t important enough to address from the podium they pressed him anyway pathetic, just plain pathetic.

    • nellcote

      I don’t remember them freaking out when YoYo Ma had to cello-sync at the first inaguration.

  • rikyrah

    Obama 1; Netanyahu 0

    Peter Beinart explains what the Israeli election results may mean for the US:

    A weaker Israeli government does Obama little good right away. For the past four years, Israel has boasted a prime minister strong enough to move boldly toward a two-state deal, but uninterested in doing so. Now it has a prime minister who lacks not only the ideological desire, but perhaps also the political strength. But Netanyahu’s weakness also means he’ll be less able to fend Obama off if the White House unveils a peace initiative. To the contrary, the more actively engaged Obama’s new foreign policy team becomes on the Palestinian issue, the shorter Netanyahu’s political life span will be. Right-leaning commentators sometimes claim that public disagreements between America and Israel stiffen Israeli spines and push them to the right. But in truth, such intervention helped topple Yitzhak Shamir in 1992 and Netanyahu himself in 1999. And while it’s unlikely it was the key factor, Obama’s recent dissing of Netanyahu probably played some role in his last minute drop in support

    The results do make Remnick look a little excitable and by inference, me too. But the story is complicated. It’s not that the hard right did not do well. Jewish Home got eleven seats, just shy of Labor’s. What trumped that was a new party, “There Is A Future” (which Goldblog drily notes is “such a Jewish name … Optimistic, but threaded with melancholy”). It focused on domestic bread-and-butter issues, and widespread resentment of the fecund but largely molly-coddled haredim. Goldblog – surprise! – doubts much progress will be made on the peace process or the settlements:

    http://andrewsullivan.thedailybeast.com/2013/01/israels-balance-of-power-shifts.html

  • rikyrah

    Obama 1; Netanyahu 0

    Peter Beinart explains what the Israeli election results may mean for the US:

    A weaker Israeli government does Obama little good right away. For the past four years, Israel has boasted a prime minister strong enough to move boldly toward a two-state deal, but uninterested in doing so. Now it has a prime minister who lacks not only the ideological desire, but perhaps also the political strength. But Netanyahu’s weakness also means he’ll be less able to fend Obama off if the White House unveils a peace initiative. To the contrary, the more actively engaged Obama’s new foreign policy team becomes on the Palestinian issue, the shorter Netanyahu’s political life span will be. Right-leaning commentators sometimes claim that public disagreements between America and Israel stiffen Israeli spines and push them to the right. But in truth, such intervention helped topple Yitzhak Shamir in 1992 and Netanyahu himself in 1999. And while it’s unlikely it was the key factor, Obama’s recent dissing of Netanyahu probably played some role in his last minute drop in support

    The results do make Remnick look a little excitable and by inference, me too. But the story is complicated. It’s not that the hard right did not do well. Jewish Home got eleven seats, just shy of Labor’s. What trumped that was a new party, “There Is A Future” (which Goldblog drily notes is “such a Jewish name … Optimistic, but threaded with melancholy”). It focused on domestic bread-and-butter issues, and widespread resentment of the fecund but largely molly-coddled haredim. Goldblog – surprise! – doubts much progress will be made on the peace process or the settlements:

    http://andrewsullivan.thedailybeast.com/2013/01/israels-balance-of-power-shifts.html

  • GN

    …some Republicans continue to circle the drain…

    Republican Congressman Blames Gun Violence On ‘Welfare Moms’ And Their Welfare Meds

    Republican desperation to shift the post-Newtown focus away from sensible gun regulation has finally found equilibrium with their contempt for the poor and the disabled, as GOP Congressman James Lankford (R-not OK) demonstrated to constituents earlier this month. ThinkProgress flagged a Q&A session in which Rep. Lankford agrees with a constituent that the real culprit is not guns, but “psychotropic drugs,” which Lankford then explains are all a scam by “welfare moms” to get their kids “on Social Security disability and get a separate check.”

    http://www.mediaite.com/online/republican-congressman-blames-gun-violence-on-welfare-moms-and-their-welfare-meds/

  • GN

    …some Republicans continue to circle the drain…

    Republican Congressman Blames Gun Violence On ‘Welfare Moms’ And Their Welfare Meds

    Republican desperation to shift the post-Newtown focus away from sensible gun regulation has finally found equilibrium with their contempt for the poor and the disabled, as GOP Congressman James Lankford (R-not OK) demonstrated to constituents earlier this month. ThinkProgress flagged a Q&A session in which Rep. Lankford agrees with a constituent that the real culprit is not guns, but “psychotropic drugs,” which Lankford then explains are all a scam by “welfare moms” to get their kids “on Social Security disability and get a separate check.”

    http://www.mediaite.com/online/republican-congressman-blames-gun-violence-on-welfare-moms-and-their-welfare-meds/

    • JojoRaze

      Yes, because Adam Lanza, dylan klebold and the Virginia tech and Aurora nut-jobs were living in the ghettoes of Harlem, eating that gubmint cheese, with their hats to the back while sipping a 40 oz they bought on their ebT card. oh wait….

      They will blame anything but the guns. And mass shooting are mostly a middle to upper class white Guy problem

      • GN

        It just blows my mind. I recently saw a clearly racist commenter in a message board state plainly that according to her, black people owe the country reparations for being such a supposedly wretched people.

        • qosine

          Damn-how do people even think to come up with this? Takes a really hostile mind . . .

          • GN

            Trolling; prolly has black neighbors living on either side of her who she wouldn’t dare say boo to, so takes it out online!

          • Miranda

            That’s all they do.

  • rikyrah

    Fox News Gets Used to the Sidelines

    By Tom Junod

    at 10:10PM

    I watched the inauguration on Fox News. I admit there was some perversity involved — I wanted both to tremble with outrage and to gloat. I also wanted to remember why I liked Barack Obama, and there is no better way of liking Barack Obama than watching him on a network that pays people to hate him. His first term was questionable in many ways, but one thing was certain — he wasn’t them. He wasn’t Brit and Megyn and Brett and Chris, with their grievances and their grudges and their hurt feelings, and he wasn’t the man they were still half-heartedly defending, Mitt Romney.

    Has anybody else besides Ann Romney mentioned Mitt Romney’s name since November 6? Has anyone watched Fox? The network once thought to be integral to Karl Rove’s “permanent Republican majority” now has to live down the election-night memory of Rove standing in the schoolhouse door between Megyn Kelly and the announcement that Barack Obama had won a second term. Roger Ailes created a news network designed to elect presidents, but he built it upon his own immortal and immortalized sense of injury, and now that he “lost” the election, the sense of injury is all that’s left.… Roger Ailes does one thing very well: white-guy disgruntlement. It’s a potent force, when there are enough disgruntled white guys. But now that the demographics are turning against him, all Ailes can offer is a fulfillment of his own paranoia…

    http://www.esquire.com/blogs/politics/fox-news-obama-inuaguration-15010420

  • rikyrah

    Fox News Gets Used to the Sidelines

    By Tom Junod

    at 10:10PM

    I watched the inauguration on Fox News. I admit there was some perversity involved — I wanted both to tremble with outrage and to gloat. I also wanted to remember why I liked Barack Obama, and there is no better way of liking Barack Obama than watching him on a network that pays people to hate him. His first term was questionable in many ways, but one thing was certain — he wasn’t them. He wasn’t Brit and Megyn and Brett and Chris, with their grievances and their grudges and their hurt feelings, and he wasn’t the man they were still half-heartedly defending, Mitt Romney.

    Has anybody else besides Ann Romney mentioned Mitt Romney’s name since November 6? Has anyone watched Fox? The network once thought to be integral to Karl Rove’s “permanent Republican majority” now has to live down the election-night memory of Rove standing in the schoolhouse door between Megyn Kelly and the announcement that Barack Obama had won a second term. Roger Ailes created a news network designed to elect presidents, but he built it upon his own immortal and immortalized sense of injury, and now that he “lost” the election, the sense of injury is all that’s left.… Roger Ailes does one thing very well: white-guy disgruntlement. It’s a potent force, when there are enough disgruntled white guys. But now that the demographics are turning against him, all Ailes can offer is a fulfillment of his own paranoia…

    http://www.esquire.com/blogs/politics/fox-news-obama-inuaguration-15010420

    • Town

      Miss Ann ain’t even mentioning Mitt.

      Mitt who?

  • GN

    @AP:
    BREAKING: Panetta removes military ban on women in combat, opening thousands of front line positions.

    • Aquagranny911

      Stuff it on this! Our military women have been on the ‘frontlines’ for the last 10 years. Check the rolls of how many women killed in Iraq & Afghanstan.

      Suck it Panchetta, just go!

    • Aquagranny911

      Stuff it on this! Our military women have been on the ‘frontlines’ for the last 10 years. Check the rolls of how many women killed in Iraq & Afghanstan.

      Suck it Panchetta, just go!

      • TyrenM

        You took my question/comment – How many of Us will be the first to die in the next war? Will ours get the rescue treatment of Jessica whatshername? Just asking. Don’t act like you’re doing POC a favor.

        • Aquagranny911

          Yeah, somehow that “rescue” was just a little too late for our Lori Piestewa, a Native AZ woman who left two children without a mother.

          Lori & Jessica both were women from poor families trying to make life a bit better for themselves by joining their National Guards.

          They were both exploited by the GOP war machine.

          • Miranda

            For some reason, years ago, my dept director thought a good group outing was to take us to this godforsaken “motivational” speaking extravaganza at the Georgia Dome. Jessica Lynch was on the roster of people to speak (as was Guiliani and some other conservatives but this was just billed as motivational speaking..afterwards half the dept wanted to throw up). But anyway what struck me most about Jessica was that she was so young and so small on that stage…and it was clear to me that the point was to try and exploit her, but she was so young and innocent that she answered the questions this on stage interviewer was asking her, in the most honest ways. It was clear she wasn’t answering the way they expected her too. I was so stunned by her youth and I remember a co-worker saying as she was speaking “My God, she’s just a child that had to go to war.”

          • Aquagranny911

            I believe Jessica was only 19 when she joined the Guard & the creases were barely out of her new uniforms before she got deployed. About the same for Lori except she was a few years older.

            I still get a bit sick when I think about both of them & how they were used, abused & then discarded.

            I’m not just saying this for the women. The same happens to so many of our young men as well.

          • AxelFoley

            Cheney and Bush will burn in hell for what they did to our servicemen and women, along with the innocent Iraqi citizens for their bullshit war.

      • nellcote

        AG, my understanding is that making it official for women in combat in the military is a good thing for pay and career advancement. Is that wrong?

        • Aquagranny911

          No, you are right about that but it just frosts my buns how long women have taken the toll without the recognition for the last ten years.

          It’s like GOP ‘pretended’ that women really were not in “actual combat” when they were still getting their asses shot & blown up just like the men.

          ETA: I also think Panchetta is one creepy misogynist & I have nothing good to say about him.

    • conlakappa

      ZOMG, but how many have been appointed to a Cabinet position yet?!!!ONE!!

    • conlakappa

      ZOMG, but how many have been appointed to a Cabinet position yet?!!!ONE!!

  • GN

    @AP:
    BREAKING: Panetta removes military ban on women in combat, opening thousands of front line positions.

  • Miranda

    Boehner: Obama’s goal is to ‘annihilate’ the Republican Party

    Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) said he believes the primary goal of President Obama’s second term is to “annihilate the Republican Party.”

    “Given what we heard yesterday about the president’s vision for his second term, it’s pretty clear to me that he knows he can’t do any of that as long as the House is controlled by Republicans,” Boehner said in a speech Tuesday to The Ripon Society. “So we’re expecting over the next 22 months to be the focus of this administration as they attempt to annihilate the Republican Party.

    “And let me just tell you, I do believe that is their goal — to just shove us into the dustbin of history.”

    Read more: http://thehill.com/homenews/house/278881-boehner-obamas-goal-is-to-annihilate-the-gop#ixzz2IpjrHcmz

    • crazycanuck

      Uhm Boehner, I hate to tell you this, but you all are doing that to yourself.

    • Aquagranny911

      More like the ‘composter of history’ There ought to be something positive we can get out of all the corpses!

    • MsKitty

      Boehner: Obama’s goal is to ‘annihilate’ the Republican Party

      And that’s bad, because?

    • rikyrah

      Boehner: Obama’s goal is to ‘annihilate’ the Republican Party

      SO?

    • GN

      Mr. Boehner, you’re annihilating yourselves. POTUS outlined a pretty consistent set of policy objectives (he’s articulated all of those objectives before) and said he’s fine with debate so long as people stick with the facts and stop tantrums/name-calling. If they can’t handle something so reasonable, that’s not the President’s fault. And just to be nice, the dustbin will have Johnnie Walker.

  • crazycanuck

    Why I’m not looking for the missing Black folks on HBO’s “Girls”

    http://feministing.com/2013/01/23/why-im-not-looking-for-the-missing-black-folks-on-hbos-girls/

    • http://pragmaticobotsunite.blogspot.com/ Sepia

      If it sounds like I’m saying: the white girl gets a pass for not painting an accurate portrait of Blackness because she doesn’t have lived context/experience, that’s exactly what I’m saying.

      From what I’ve read about the show, Lena Dunham comes from a privileged background, yet her character on the show struggles financially.

      And a Black writer on Racialicious, who went to school with Dunham, said she (Dunham) doesn’t come from segregated environment.

      So, homegirl’s attempt to defend Miss Ann is a big FAIL.

      • Town

        Sounds like Sesali Bowman is trying to get a gig on FRIENDS GIRLS.

      • isonprize

        I just don’t understand black women who have the need to “saveabecky” all the damn time. What is the deal with that?

    • nellcote

      Isn’t that the same blog that was complaining about FLOTUS the other day?

  • MonieTalks

    Hallelujah to Miranda’s response downthread.

    Just today after reading that mess that Courtland Milloy wrote, I re-read PBO’s Father’s Day speech from 2008, which we all remember was fantastic.
    http://articles.cnn.com/2008-06-27/politics/obama.fathers.ay_1_foundation-black-children-rock?_s=PM:POLITICS

    But in the aftermath of that speech in 2008, it received one of the weirdest responses I have ever seen from a so-called once visible and esteemed Civil rights leader like Jesse Jackson (who was on the balcony as MLKJr was assassinated.) According to Jackson, PBO was “talking down to Black folks and he wanted to cut his nuts off.”

    There was NOTHING in that speech that talked down anyone Black, but talked and put up hope and a decent blueprint for the ills of our community that we must ALL own and try to solve.

    But like Jackson, too many people (who unfortunately always have the megaphone) want to list the ills and sad statistics, proclaim that the government needs to do better, and act like an effort singly from the top of government is going to trickle down to every ‘hood in America. Trickle down economics does not work and trickle down Black agenda is not the full answer either. Instead of getting mad when someone says WE need to admit that a large portion of our woes have been self-inflicted, we need let the reality hit us and agitate our souls. But none of this is an easy nor clear cut task, and that is what is most frustrating.

    • Miranda

      “Trickle down economics does not work and trickle down Black agenda is not the full answer either.”

      THIS.

    • GN

      a large portion of our woes have been self-inflicted

      I agree with so many comments here generally but I don’t completely agree with you guys about this one. IMO a large portion of our woes are directly attributable to centuries spent as slaves and then subjects of economic and spiritual terrorism. We’ve spent way less time free in this country than in bondage. And we did not receive the same opportunities as other classes of immigrants, voluntary immigrants and otherwise. In addition, black people going to extraordinary lengths to pull ourselves together and out of wretched conditions has often been greeted with government-initiated and government-sponsored reactionary backlash, from Jim Crow to the flooding of our neighborhoods with cocaine. I think it’s one thing to say that we do have issues, we do have a metric ton of internalized hatred, and we can’t expect but so much help to be coming from the same institutions with legacy of opposition to black folks. I agree with that. But I can’t get with the idea that because of those issues, we can’t call for acknowledgement of racism against us, or remedial programs for ourselves just as every other group doesn’t hesitate to appeal to a govt funded by all of our tax dollars to help with their issues.

      But not clear cut nor easy, I 100% agree with, without reservation.

      • Miranda

        But I can’t get with the idea that because of those issues, we can’t call for acknowledgement of racism against us, or remedial programs for ourselves just as every other group doesn’t hesitate to appeal to a govt funded by all of our tax dollars to help with their issues.
        ___________________________

        But to me racism has been acknowledged in the only way that matters -in Brown v. Bd of Education, Civil Rights Act, Voting Rights Act, Housing Act, etc. and I think every HBCU and community college is a remedial program. Government jobs was one of the ways the black middle class even came into being – civil servant jobs were integrated long before private companies were compelled to follow. So I just don’t know what this “acknowledgement” is – or what form its supposed to take.

        • GN

          “our journey is not complete until the descendants of the slaves who built this country have opportunities on par with those of everyone else.”

  • MonieTalks

    MLK’s old neighborhood seeks economic comeback

    The highway, known locally as the Downtown Connector, slices through the heart of Auburn Avenue. Kuhn says the highway’s construction in the 1950s and ’60s was arguably the neighborhood’s biggest blow — but not its only one.

    “The second is actually desegregation itself,” says Kuhn. “Auburn Avenue provided places of employment well after the Civil Rights Act. With the Civil Rights Movement, African-Americans could find employment elsewhere.”

    Decades since of crime, poverty and abandonment allowed for the corridor’s further decay. But that could be changing.

  • Miranda

    As expected…..you can set your clock to these assholes.

    GOP Senator: Hillary Clinton Faked Emotional Outburst At Benghazi Hearing

    On Wednesday morning, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton gave an emotional testimony before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee on the Benghazi terror attacks, tearing up as she described the “flag draped coffins” of the victims. Clinton lost patience when Sen. Ron Johnson (R-WI) pushed her on whether or not she had immediately determined the motivation of the attacks, leading the senator to accuse her of ducking questions with “theatrics.”

    In an instantly viral outburst, Clinton shot back, “The fact is we had four dead Americans. Was it because of a protest? Or was it because of guys out for a walk one night who decided they’d go kill some Americans? What difference, at this point, does it make?”

    After the hearing, Johnson complained to Buzzfeed that Clinton had planned to become emotional as a way to avoid answering questions:

    more here
    http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2013/01/23/1487641/gop-senator-hillary-clinton-faked-emotional-outburst-at-benghazi-hearing/

    • http://pragmaticobotsunite.blogspot.com/ Sepia

      I dare him to say it to her face.

      • Ebogan63

        She would slap the taster out his fucking mouth!!!

      • isonprize

        I am not a fan of Hilz, but I tell you what — I would want her on my side in a court of law. I may not like her and there is no doubt that she’s got some shit with her, but I will never say she’s stupid. Not by a long shot.

        • Aquagranny911

          Agreed! & I am also no fan of Hillary Clinton either.

    • Aquagranny911

      FU, Johnson! FUCK YOU! DOUBLE FUCK YOU! TRIPLED & SQUARED!!!

      I’m no great defender of Hillary Clinton but this “too emotional” BS aimed at any woman should hit us all!

      FUCK YOU, Johnson just one more time for good measure.

      How do you like that for “emotion?” & FUCK YOU again!!!

      • TyrenM

        That was a…whistle.

        • Aquagranny911

          Sounded like an air raid siren to me. I remember that from my youth when we all had to hide under our desks in school, girls tucking our skirts under so the boys would not peek.

          Bastante!

      • Daltex82

        Don’t hold back AG tell us how you really feel!

        • Aquagranny911

          It’s all that female emotion combined with Latina passion, you know.

          I can hardly bear to keep it all under control.

          • AxelFoley

            “It’s all that female emotion combined with Latina passion, you know.”

            A devastating combination. ;)

      • rikyrah

        tell it AG!!

  • isonprize

    I don’t know if this has been posted, but Tom Joyner anem went IN on Travesty on Black America Web after the show…

    Seriously, Tom breaks it down like a fraction. And J. Anthony brings the funny.

    http://blackamericaweb.com/92852/the-tjms-reacts-to-tavis-smileys-obama-comments/

    • MsKitty

      Wow, Tavis must have REALLY stepped in it for Tom to go there. Even when Tavis has been really ratchet (which is the default setting for him), Tom was always trying to talk sense into him while Jay and Sybil were like whatevs.

      Gonna go listen.

      • isonprize

        MsKitty. Let me know what you think. I think Tom was is on point.

        • MsKitty

          What Tom said really made me think. He exposed that it all comes down to Tavis’ ego. And I could be wrong, but I got the impression that the conversation that happened in Jamaica was a private one. So for Tom to reveal Tavis’ private insecurities to millions of listeners like that, that’s definitely a friendship-ender (if there was still one left at this point). Another thing I noticed was there was no anger or indignation in Tom’s voice, he was really clinical and detached about the whole thing.

          • conlakappa

            Is it so much a reveal when Tavis walks around like an open wound? I think he was that cornball in the neighborhood who was just a beat behind and his fashion dated (witness clinging to the high-top fade and those cheap-looking suits he wears). Who never felt cool yet wasn’t smart enough to qualify as a nerd. I also think he is so deeply closeted that tearing down another black man makes him feel like a bigger man. Rather than constantly holding a poverty parade, he needs to spend time away examining whatever vestiges of his soul are left.

    • Town

      Cuz Huggy Lowdown was talking smack about Tavis yesterday morning…

      • isonprize

        Huggy is a trip. I missed it, what did he say?

    • goldenstar

      Wow, this was sooooo spot-on!

      • isonprize

        yep. Even back in the ’90s when Tavis was thought to be a ‘leader’ I never liked him, I always thought that he sounded too full of himself.

        Tom broke it open. Jealousy got Tavis looking darker and darker. And I ain’t talking about his skin color…

        • conlakappa

          Mostly because that leadership was (1) self-pro-claimed, he had no constituency to lead; and (2) claimed from the springboard of a blown-out-of-proportion dispute with CompUSA.

    • GN

      Is this why Tom Joyner went in?

      @TheToast2013
      Tavis Smiley claims he is “ambivalent” about MLK’s bible being used for Monday’s inauguration of President Obama.

      @TheToast2013
      Tavis claims he “feels some kinda way” about the bible being used…

      The hate is eating him from the inside out.

      • conlakappa

        Acid ruins the container that holds it.

    • AxelFoley

      Tom got in that ass.

  • Miranda

    Evening thread is up!