October 23, 2017

Wednesday Open Thread: The Black Madonna and Child


We continue our series on The Black Madonna and Child


Piedmont, Italy


From Wikipedia:

The Black Virgin of Oropa, is the statute of the Virgin Mary (Mother of Jesus) located in the Sacro Monte di Oropa. The Sacro Monte di Oropa (literally ‘Sacred Mount of Oropa’) is the Roman Catholic devotional complex in the commune of Biella, Piedmont, northern Italy. It is one of the nine Sacri Monti of Piedmont and Lombardy and is on the UNESCO World Heritage list.


The original image of the Black Virgin of Monte Oropa was made in the third century. She was brought by St. Eusebius of Vercelli from the Middle East to his diocese of Vercelli. The image was made of cedar of Lebanon and painted black. A mid-fourth century intensified the persecution of Mary (mother of Jesus), and St. Eusebius must hide to her in the mountains of Sacro Monte di Oropa, about 9 miles from Biella, Italy. When they tried to move the image, weight increased and they had to leave her there, in the mountains, where he currently presides over a shrine of great proportions. Before the Christians, celts had got a black fertility goddess which was replaced by her. Black Virgin is also known like Madonna Nera di Oropa or María Reina de Monte Oropa, and she is the patroness of Lomas del Mirador City, in La Matanza Partido, Buenos Aires Province, Argentina.

  • Miranda

    Good Morning POU!

    I never knew this is how “Watch” services began. I just assumed it was to see the new year in. I never associated it with this:

    150 years later, Lincoln’s Emancipation still sparks debate

    Growing up in Alabama after World War II, the boy who would become the civil rights hero John Lewis spent New Year’s with his sharecropper family at services in a small cinderblock Baptist church outside town.

    He heard grandparents repeat their grandparents’ stories about plantation life — bondage, resistance, escape. The congregation sang spirituals, field songs, freedom songs. The story of emancipation was told in skits, with congregants dressed as heroes such as Tubman, Douglass and Lincoln.

    This was Watch Night, when the faithful waited for the new year as their ancestors had waited for midnight on Dec. 31, 1862. The following day, in the middle of the Civil War, Abraham Lincoln signed the Emancipation Proclamation, freeing slaves across the South.

    more here

    • isonprize

      not only that, but also “Juneteenth” was an emancipation celebration, because, way before phones and emails, it took a while for news to travel. Juneteenth celebrations broke out because that’s when some folks finally got the news of the proclamation.

      • gc

        We were in Nassau last year, and I learned more about this holiday, which is HUGELY celebrated there, as it is SHOULD be in the states.

      • GreenLadyHere

        GOOD WEDNESDAY MORNTIN’ isonprize. ***BIG HUG** :>)

        – – –**fist bump*** —Especially on THIS.- – –because that’s when some folks finally got the news of the proclamation.

        – – –FINALLY- –2 YEARS AFTER the OFFICIAL date that the legislation became EFFECTIVE.
        Talk about —SNAIL MAIL. LOL

        Good 2 C U isonprize.[PA RAWKS♥] – –

  • isonprize

    I hope that this series will include the following image. Isis breastfeeding Horus, the original mother and child.

    • TyrenM

      Good call. See Monday AM.

      • isonprize

        Duh, thanks TyrenM. Excellent series, by the way!!

  • gc

    When I was a preteen I read a book about Ethiopean (ie, Black) Jews. It opened my eyes up. Nobody can be certain of anything unless they were there, and even theh, human objectivity is specious. So, to take this to the ultimate, and, for instance, believe and revere every word of the Bible, forming self serving and doubtful conclusions (I am convinced Christ wasn’t a hater) is simply wrong.

  • GreenLadyHere


    —– -☻- –Happy Kwanzaa – Teddy Pendergrass– – —

    – – – R.I.P to brother Teddy Pendergrass & much thanks for creating this beautiful song.Much thanks for Dr. Maulana Karenga for organizing this tradition for the people. Happy Kwanzaa to all and have a bless and prosperous New Year. Peace

    – – – -☻ —President Obama is scheduled to leave Hawaii at 10 p.m. Wednesday (3 a.m. Thursday Eastern time) and return to Washington, D.C., the White House announced. His family will stay in Hawaii.

    – – – -☻- -THIS- –>When they tried to move the image, weight increased and they had to leave her there, in the mountains, where he currently presides over a shrine of great proportions.

    – —Sepia: THANK U 4 THIS SERIES. :>)- —


    ——B BLESSED 2-DAY. :>)- –

    • TyrenM

      UMOJA (Unity)

      • GreenLadyHere

        HEEY TyrenM. **BIG HUG*** :>)

        —- – -**fist bump***- – – -WE SURELY have THIS in our POU FAM♥. :>) – – —

        – -Good 2 C U TyrenM. :>)

      • BoomerGal

        Amen to that!

  • GreenLadyHere

    Sepia- – -HADTA re-visit this PETITION that was sent 2 MR. PRESIDENT.- –

    Lookin’ back at the WH.org. site —I was REMINDED:

    – — –Giving all Americans a way to engage their government on the issues that matter to them.

    Annnd, jus’ as he RESPONDED 2 a PETITION on GUN CONTROL- – –he will respond 2 thhe –“Deport Piers Morgan”- – -Petition.

    BUT– -PUH-LEEZE 49,000 people- —PETITIONS R suppose 2 –
    – –HAVE MERIT!! geesh!!!

    – –***tsk*** Look at the LATEST one:- —

    – —-Keep Piers Morgan in the USA– —

    – — ——-We want to keep Piers Morgan in the USA.
    There are two very good reasons for this. Firstly, the first amendment.
    Second and the more important point. No one in the UK wants him back.
    Actually there is a third. It will be hilarious to see how loads of angry Americans react.
    Created: Dec 25, 2012
    — – -SOME PEOPLE have TIME 2 WASTE!! geesh!

  • GreenLadyHere

    Sepia- – –UPDATE: — Hawaii Senator Appointment Pending:

    – – – –New Hawaiian Senator To Be Named On Wednesday – —

    – — Hawaii will get a new senator on Wednesday to replace Sen. Daniel Inouye (D-HI), who passed away last week. Inouye, 88, was the longest serving member of the Senate and third in line for the presidency. Gov. Neil Abercrombie (D-HI) announced on Christmas Eve that he would appoint a replacement for Inouye’s seat, after Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV) pressed him to act quickly before the so-called fiscal cliff negotiations. Once Inouye’s seat is filled, Democrats will have a 53 vote majority in the Senate. Inouye’s replacement will serve a two-year term as the state’s senior senator. Hawaii will also send Senator-Elect Mazie Hirono (D) to Congress in January, the nation’s first Buddhist senator.– – – –

    Lookin’ FORWARD- – —->

    • Town

      That’s kinda crazy that Mazie Hirono not only is the Senator-elect from Hawaii, once sworn in she’ll be the senior Senator from Hawaii.

      • conlakappa

        She’s probably loving the bump in seniority!

      • rikyrah

        Well, the same can be said of Elizabeth Warren – just elected and now will be the Senior Senator from Massachusetts

        If the Governor chooses the person that Inouye suggested, then we’ll have the first two Asian -American female Senators, pretty much at the same time.

        • TyrenM

          Ditto Hawaii comment to Massachusetts re: clout. I won’t long mourn them either.

      • GreenLadyHere

        HEEY Town. ***BIG HUG*** :>)- –

        ——FIRST: — A COMMENTER made an OBSERVATION:- –
        – —Alec Faber ·
        If Hanabusa is named, Hirono won’t be the first Buddhist senator. Hanabusa will.

        – — SECONDLY: —SEN. INOUYE had HIS REASONS 4 his RECOMMENDATION.- — IMHO- –SHE should B HONORED. :>)- — –

        – —SHE is EMINENTLY QUALIFIED.– – –

        Good 2 C U Town. :>)- – -Watchin’. . . .

      • TyrenM

        I was thinking poor Hawaii in terms of clout lost. 2 new senators. I won’t pity them too long.

  • rikyrah

    Good Morning, Everyone 🙂

  • rikyrah

    Obama eyes smaller, not-so-grand bargain
    By Steve Benen
    Wed Dec 26, 2012 8:00 AM EST.

    With just five days to go before a series of sweeping fiscal deadlines, policymakers in Washington are no closer to a resolution. Congress left town last Thursday; President Obama departed Friday; and there have been “no talks” between party leaders or between the White House and GOP officials since Friday.

    But before leaving for a holiday weekend with his family, the president spoke briefly to reporters, and hinted at a new way out of the current mess.



    But take a closer look at the kind of proposal the president sketched out here. For over a month, Obama and House Speaker John Boehner have tried to negotiate the terms of a significant debt-reduction package — not quite as sweeping as the $4 trillion offer the president pushed, and Republicans rejected, in 2011, but a $2.4 trillion effort, which is still enormous.

    As of Friday, it sounded like Obama had all but given up on those ambitions, and is now eyeing a much smaller agreement.


  • rikyrah

    what have I been telling you all about Luis?

    uh huh

    uh huh


    Rep. Luis Gutierrez: Met with Sen. Marco Rubio, Rep. Paul Ryan on immigration reform

    By Lynn Sweet on December 26, 2012 10:56 AM|

    Rep. Luis Gutierrez (D-Ill.) is quietly building bridges with two key Republicans who may run for president in 2016 — Sen. Marco Rubio and Rep. Paul Ryan — to forge bipartisan immigration reform legislation.

    While Congress is consumed with highly partisan fiscal cliff negotiations — and with the ever-polarizing gun control debate revived in the wake of the Sandy Hook school massacre — immigration issues have dropped back for now. But after the new Congress convenes in January, that’s expected to change.

    I’ve learned that Gutierrez met Thursday with Rubio, the Florida Republican — and son of Cuban immigrants — in his Senate office here. On Dec. 12, Gutierrez huddled with Ryan — the Wisconsin Republican who was Mitt Romney’s vice presidential running mate — at his House office.

    “What we did was just kind of catch up,” Gutierrez told me. Ryan and Gutierrez decided they want to “explore opportunities to work together.” Gutierrez, one of the House leaders on immigration issues — who has kept constant pressure on President Barack Obama to do more — is crossing the aisle as Republicans need very much to woo the fast growing number of Hispanic voters — who in large part rejected the Romney/Ryan ticket.

    After the election, Gutierrez saw Ryan at the House gym and suggested they get together. Gutierrez did not pump iron with Ryan, who has an intense workout regime. “I was going to the less physical, less ardous workout,” Gutierrez told me.

    Despite campaigning against Ryan, Gutierrez has a personal relationship with him and when it comes to immigration, Gutierrez says Ryan “wants to do the right thing.”

    That Romney talked about “self-deportation” — and Ryan was part of that ticket — is not an issue for Gutierrez.


    • GN

      Amazing that the “bold progressives” who are so strident when it comes to President Obama somehow can see the value of compromise and aisle-crossing when it suits themselves. Fuck them and the double standards they desperately try to hold the first black POTUS to.

      • trose1

        I will repeat again. The progressive/ Dem hero Gov Coumo NY cut deals with GOP to shut out AA legislators in his own state.
        More of this bs to continue.

        • GN

          Notice that the PL doesn’t seem to have a negative word for Cuomo? They’re completely full of shit and always have been. God bless their idiotic and credulous emo audiences.

          • Admiral_Komack

            When he don’t moonwalk on the surface of water like they want him to, they’ll shiv him.

            Count on it.

      • conlakappa

        In a similar vein, I had to add Color of Change to my “no, really, I don’t want to hear from you” list last week upon receipt of an e-mail with the subject “Mr, President, no deal is better than a bad deal.” Where have we heard that phrase before. Any way, just like Move On with it’s polite request for why I was leaving, I let them know.

        • GN

          All of them are trying desperately to maintain relevance via their obsession with President Obama. They bend facts just like Fox”News” to slant coverage.

          • conlakappa

            Trying to find the next point of entry for the next hustle. To all of them I want to send Deaniac’s piece. Seriously, they are setting their hair afire over $3 for the seniors who can afford it with provisions for those who cannot?!

          • GN

            they are setting their hair afire over $3 for the seniors who can afford it

            Okay? These people are absolutely ridiculous. Any excuse to freak out and act the damn fool towards PBO.

        • Ebogan63

          Again, liberals who understand neither politics or governing.

        • Worldwatcher7

          I was glad to let Move On know why I didn’t want to hear from them anymore.

    • Camille

      You were right about this self-aggrandizing snake Rikyrah.

  • rikyrah

    Targeting high-capacity clips
    By Steve Benen
    Wed Dec 26, 2012 12:15 PM EST.

    Many Democratic lawmakers want to consider new laws restricting high-volume magazines, many of which currently allow gun owners to fire 30 rounds without reloading. Some Republicans agree, as does the American mainstream. What’s more, limits on the size of clips are entirely constitutional.

    Any chance this might be the sort of common-sense proposal the NRA can live with? Apparently not.

    David Gregory presented Wayne LaPierre with a compelling quote from Larry Alan Burns, federal district judge of San Diego who he sentenced Jared Loughner. Burns, a gun owner and NRA supporter, was appointed to the bench by President George W. Bush, so it stood out when he wrote:
    “Bystanders got to Tucson shooter, Jared Loughner and subdued him only after he emptied one 30 round magazine and was trying to load another. Adam Lanza, the Newtown shooter, chose his primary weapon as a semi-automatic rifle with 30-round magazines. And we don’t even bother to call the 100-rounder that James Holmes is accused of emptying in an Aurora, Colorado movie theater a magazine, it’s a drum. How is this not an argument for regulating the number of rounds a gun can fire? I get it. Someone bent on mass murder, who has only a ten-round magazine or a revolver at his disposal probably is not going to abandon his plan and instead try to talk his problems out. But we might be able to take the ‘mass’ out of ‘mass shooting,’ or at least make the perpetrator’s job a bit harder.”

    But LaPierre refuses to even consider the possibility that smaller clips might — might — save American lives.


  • rikyrah

    Jobs and innovation, leaving the station
    By Steve Benen
    Wed Dec 26, 2012 12:51 PM EST.

    There’s no reason the United States can’t once again lead the world in transportation innovation, except for the political opposition that forces us further behind countries like China.

    China began service Wednesday morning on the world’s longest high-speed rail line, covering a distance in eight hours that is about equal to that from New York to Key West, Florida, or from London across Europe to Belgrade.

    Bullet trains traveling 300 kilometers an hour, or 186 miles an hour, began regular service between Beijing and Guangzhou, the main metropolis in southeastern China. Older trains still in service on a parallel rail line take 21 hours; Amtrak trains from New York to Miami, a shorter distance, still take nearly 30 hours.

    Completion of the Beijing-Guangzhou route is the latest sign that China has resumed rapid construction on one of the world’s largest and most ambitious infrastructure projects, a network of four north-south routes and four east-west routes that span the country

    Keep in mind, this isn’t just about bragging rights. China has invested heavily in transportation infrastructure, including this remarkable network of high-speed trains, and the result has greatly benefited the nation’s economy and created “as many as 100,000” jobs.

    China has also, incidentally, helped integrate regional economies, linking cities and provinces in new and efficient ways, which in turn is expected to strengthen China’s manufacturing and exporting centers.

    And then there’s the U.S., where the Obama administration has repeatedly argued that high-speed rail boosts economic development, creates jobs, fosters innovation, relieves crowded roads, and even reduces emissions, and where Republicans say investing in infrastructure costs money — and spending is, you know, bad.


  • rikyrah

    GOP obstinacy may force milk price spike
    By Steve Benen

    Wed Dec 26, 2012 11:45 AM EST

    With 2012 very nearly over, it’s deeply unfortunate that there’s still a lengthy list of bills that need to be approved before the calendar turns over. The tax and spending measures related to ongoing fiscal talks are getting the bulk of the attention, but some important policies, including the Violence Against Women Act, are also awaiting action.

    And then there’s the pending farm bill, which, like everything else, has stalled in the face of Republican opposition. Assuming the GOP refuses to act, there will be real consequences for millions of American consumers, and it’s likely much of the public doesn’t realize what’s coming.

    Forget the fiscal crisis and the automatic budget cuts. Come Jan. 1, there is a threat that milk prices could rise to $6 to $8 a gallon if Congress does not pass a new farm bill that amends farm policy dating back to the Truman presidency.

    Lost in the political standoff between the Obama administration and Congressional Republicans over the budget is a virtually forgotten impasse over a farm bill that covers billions of dollars in agriculture programs. Without last-minute Congressional action, the government would have to follow an antiquated 1949 farm law that would force Washington to buy milk at wildly inflated prices, creating higher prices in the dairy case. Milk now costs an average of $3.65 a gallon.

    Higher prices would be based on what dairy farm production costs were in 1949, when milk production was almost all done by hand. Because of adjustments for inflation and other technical formulas, the government would be forced by law to buy milk at roughly twice the current market prices to maintain a stable milk market.


  • rikyrah

    Why Democrats insist on upper-income tax hikes

    Posted by Jamelle Bouie on December 26, 2012 at 9:45 am

    A week from now, the United States will probably “go over” the “fiscal cliff,” and begin to implement a series of tax increases and spending cuts that will — over the course of the year — take a large bite out of economic growth. A deal to avoid the cliff is still possible, but unlikely; Republicans remain opposed to upper-income tax increases, regardless of size, and even if they come with cuts to entitlement spending.

    On Monday, I wrote that this opposition is rooted in a fundamentally different view of how to create economic growth in a recession. Republicans believe that federal spending is driving the debt that, in their view, is holding back the economy. Until Washington gets its “spending under control,” conservatives have all but promised to shoot down any tax increases.

    It’s also worth looking at the other side. Yes, we know that Democrats view the current economic climate as demand-driven, but that doesn’t explain their insistence on upper-income tax hikes, despite the fact that — all things equal — it’s probably better to keep the tax cuts and wait for further economic growth before ending them.

    The key thing to remember, however, is that Democrats — and liberals, in particular — care about economic inequality as much as they do growth. And as explained in The Post this morning, it’s this concern with inequality that has driven Democrats to rethink their approach on the Bush tax cuts.


  • rikyrah

    Look beyond the Capitol for the next speaker

    Norman J. Ornstein is a resident scholar at the American Enterprise Institute and co-author of “It’s Even Worse Than It Looks: How the American Constitutional System Collided With the New Politics of Extremism.”
    By Norman J. Ornstein,

    Published: December 25

    On Jan. 3, the 113th House will fulfill its express constitutional duty to choose its speaker. The result may well be the reelection of Rep. John A. Boehner (R-Ohio). But events of the past week have cast some doubt on that.

    The vote will be taken by the new House, which has 233 Republicans, 200 Democrats and two vacancies. If 17 Republicans vote for someone other than Boehner, and he falls short of an absolute majority of all the votes cast, the House will be thrown into turmoil — no elected speaker, and the prospect of additional ballots and a whole lot of intrigue before the new speaker is chosen and sworn in.

    Every sentient American knows why Boehner is having a restless holiday season: His make-or-break effort to get his colleagues to vote for his Plan B — to give him leverage in his negotiation over the “fiscal cliff” with President Obama — broke, as Republicans balked at supporting their leader. With no Plan B, no alternative Plan C and a conservative base angry and frustrated, it is perhaps not surprising that a group of conservatives has reportedly hatched a plan to oust the speaker.

    Boehner is a decent man, and a natural legislator, who is caught in a trap. Republican culture since Boehner’s predecessor, Dennis Hastert, has demanded that legislation brought to the House floor have the pledge of support from a majority of the majority — in other words, that House Republicans act in unison, or close to it, before there is any effort to garner Democratic votes, and that no bill go forward unless and until it has support from a substantial majority of Republicans. It has been clear from the outset of the debate over the U.S. fiscal dilemma that, given the imperative of the no-tax pledge endorsed by 90 percent of House Republicans, no compromise would be achievable without the support of at least as many House Democrats as Republicans, and probably more.

    Boehner’s dilemma is worsened by the fact that 50 or more House Republicans come from districts that are homogeneous echo chambers, made that way through redistricting and the “Big Sort” that has like-minded people living in close proximity to one another. None of them is threatened in a general election; all could be unseated in a contested primary.


    • conlakappa

      Either way, Johnny Orange will likely be found in his cups and/or crying.

  • GreenLadyHere

    Sepia- – – -THIS is ESPECIALLY 4 POU FAM♥- – -crazycanuck:- —

    – — –Boxing Day shoppers lured by bargains– —

    – — –Canadians are heading out in search of Boxing Day bargains today, with some eager shoppers camping overnight outside stores to get the first chance at massive deals.

    Retailers in most provinces offered deep discounts and extended shopping hours in an attempt to clear out unsold inventory after Christmas.

    At Toronto’s downtown Eaton Centre, thrifty customers began camping outside the H&M clothing store at 8 p.m. ET the night before, reported the CBC’s Steven D’Souza.

    – — -crazycanuck- -Perhaps U can ELABORATE 4 us. :>) ‘Course U already stated that –U don’t like shopping. :>)

    • crazycanuck

      As I was coming home from my family, I saw those crazoids in the mall. Why would I leave my nice comfy house to go out in sub zero degree temperature to shop? That is just insanity. And there is also a storm (thanks so much for that America) coming. Plain madness.

      • GreenLadyHere

        LOL crazycanuck. THANK U. – -:>)

        Also, SORRY ’bout da storm. :>)- –

        – — WILL THIS WORK -4–U?– -ENJOY. :>)

  • Camille

    Merry Christmas to my other family! Hope everyone had a beautiful, safe and blessed Christmas.

  • GreenLadyHere

    Sepia — –UPDATE on “FISCAL CLIFF” –NEWS: —

    – – – –Obama, Congress set for one last effort on fiscal cliff — –

    — – –President Barack Obama is due back in Washington early Thursday for a final effort to negotiate a deal with Congress to avert or at least postpone the fiscal cliff of tax increases and government spending cuts set to begin next week.

    No specific bill dealing with the cliff was on the schedule of either the U.S. Senate or House of Representatives, which are expected to return on Thursday after the holiday break. Investors are closely watching the talks, concerned that going over the cliff could throw the economy into recession.

    Aides and members of Congress have said that a modest, last-minute measure to avoid the spending cuts and most of the tax hikes could pass the Democratic-controlled Senate if Republicans agree not to use a procedural roadblock known as a filibuster, a commitment that Senate Republican leader Mitch McConnell has so far not made.
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    But to win approval in the Republican-controlled House of any bill that raises taxes on anyone, a rare bipartisan vote would be required. All 191 Democrats would have to team with up with at least 26 Republicans to get a majority if the bill included tax hikes on the wealthiest Americans, as Obama is demanding.


  • GreenLadyHere

    – – -[Gettin’ article.] :>)

  • GreenLadyHere

    Sepia- —Woo! Hoo! — REV. AL.- – -ACTIVIST-LEADER! :>) — –

    – — –Al Sharpton, NYPD Commissioner Ray Kelly Join N.Y. Daily News Anti-Gun Campaign– –

    – — –An anti-gun campaign spearheaded by the New York Daily News attracted the support of two high-profile New York City residents on Tuesday.

    Political activist and commentator Al Sharpton and New York Police Department commissioner Ray Kelly both signed the newspaper’s petition to ban assault weapons and high-capacity magazines. According to the Daily News, more than 75,000 people have signed the petition.

    BTW- – -THIS is a WORTHY PETITION.- –:>)


  • GreenLadyHere

    Sepia- — DOUBLE Awwwwww. . .:>)— –

    – — –Obamas on marriage and that picture –:>) —

    —-President Obama and first lady Michelle Obama say that humor, love and respect have kept their marriage together.

    “We’ve been married now 20 years, and like every marriage, I think, you have your ups and you have your downs,” the president said in an interview with Barbara Walters. “But if you’ve worked through the tough times, the respect and love that you feel deepens.”

    “And then there’s a lot of laughter,” Michelle Obama added.

    The president said that everyone thinks his wife is the funny one, but, he said, “I’m funnier than people think.”

    “I am,” he insisted.

    The interview with Walters was taped December 11 and had been scheduled to air earlier this month but was pushed back after the Newtown shootings. It is now set to air Wednesday during ABC News’ “Nightline.”

    – — -SNIP — –

    – –“I hadn’t seen him in a while,” Michelle Obama explained. “You know, when you’re campaigning, they have, we’re two ships passing in the night, and the first time I saw him was when I walked on stage to greet him. And that’s my honey giving me a hug.”

    “I like giving you hugs,” the president added.

    – —–Raw Video: [President] Obama Sings Al Green – -:>)


    – —– IN HISTORY!! :>)- —

    • Camille

      Their love and the bond they share accounts for much of why I love and support them.

      It pisses me off that the President has to cut his vacation short to go back to D.C to sort out the louts that are determined to sabotage our country.

      I admire Mrs Obama so much. I couldn’t do what she does: not a quiet, private moment alone with her husband and having to deal with the constant intrusions into family life.

      Not just by the media and the world, but by some who work with and for her husband who are constantly looking to have more influence, control and access to and over him —and mostly at her expense.

      I get so mad on her behalf especially when even some within her husband’s team try to marginalize this smart, capable and intelligent woman. To some of these people it appears that to them Mrs Obama should only play the role they assign her in advancing their ambitions via her husband.

      They exploit her popularity but discard her subsequently. It pisses me off.

      • BoomerGal

        I think she went into this with her eyes wide open and there is no way anyone can dismiss THIS first lady. Not a chance. She is of a new generation.

        • Camille

          There’s no amount of eyes wide open that could prepare anyone for the undermining, backstabbing, disrespect and cunning of even those who work for your husband.

          Was she prepared for Robert Gibbs to disrespect her? Curse her out during a staff meeting? Or for Alyssa Mastromonaco, the scheduler now turned deputy chief of staff who would pass around Mrs Obama’s stern e-mails about her inability to have some people she’d like to meet with her husband, or events she’d like her husband to attend, accommodated.
          And then they even have the nerve to share this crap with the public via Jodi Kantor.

          That sort of disrespect you never are prepared for.

          • TyrenM

            Damn. I missed the Gibbs thing.

          • Camille

            Gibbs sorry arse better never bump into me.

          • BoomerGal

            Well, from what I’ve read, the rage that Gibbs displayed was not directed at FLOTUS as much as Valerie Jarrett. Nevertheless, I think Gibbs blew the whole “comment thing” waaaay out of proportion and the media has done likewise. Mastromonaco should have been reprimanded, imo. Furthermore, the e-mail addressed a legitimate concern. So what, if it got passed around, I don’t think it bothered Michelle one way or the other.

            I still say, Michelle is familiar enough with politics to know that it’s a dirty business.

          • Camille

            Then he should have turned to Valerie Jarrett who was in the room and said something to her, but instead he chose to disrespect the First Lady.

            In what world is that excusable? I must admit that I was very angry not just with Robert Gibbs and that whole self-important and self-serving crew, but I was even angrier at President Obama.

            He had failed his wife woefully in that regard. There can be no reason on earth for his staff to treat his wife in this way – none! And he had obviously failed to make that crystal clear.

            As for that little self-important impish piece of shit Alyssa Mastromonaco who is so desperate to be relevant and “influential” by insinuating herself into the President’s life, she’ll get what’s coming to her. And it won’t be pretty.

            She is one of those sneaky Beckies (thanks you guys!) who thinks she can side step the black First Lady because she thinks she’s not that important in the scheme of things except for the purposes of playing mannequin when their all-knowing arses instruct her to.

            Mastromonaco thinks she ranks because she gets to sit in meetings and works directly with the President and hangs with David Plouffe and the rest of the “inner circle”.

            Passing around for laughs and gossip, confidential e-mail messages sent by the First Lady only as a last resort after having being ignored for too long, is grounds for firing in my opinion, but instead she gets a fucking promotion.

            Michelle Obama is a much greater and infinitely more phenomenal woman than I’ll ever be.

            Because my husband would have paid dearly for the disrespect, ridicule and leaks that his fucking staff seemed to relish and willingy shared with Jodi Kantor.

      • GreenLadyHere

        HEEY SisCamille. ***BIG HUG** :>)- – –

        —-***fist bump***- —:>) —

        – – –THEIR – — BOND!!—is IMPENETRABLE!!– –

        – — Forever, For Always, For Love [Mr. Lutha- -4-EVA.- -RIHEP- -We MISS U.]


        They DEMAND OUR LOVE. :>) — –

    • Town

      Time for some Obama marriage hit jobs, complete with both the GLOBE & the ENQUIRER blaring that Michelle is getting ready to leave Barack, and some black pundunce/stenographer on the come up writes an article about how the Obama marriage is actually unrealistic and bad for black people.

      • GreenLadyHere

        LOL- – –Town. Actually, I saw some – -FAUX-headlines as I stood in the grocery store line. Somethin’ ’bout another woman.

        I couldn’t read it. Got sick 2 my stomach at the thought. geesh!

        – -Soo – — ***fist bump** 2 U. :>)- – Waitin’. . .LOL- —

      • rikyrah

        The Enquirer would be late.

        According to the Globe, Michelle left the President months ago. I swear, they are hilarious.

        Last story I read was that Michelle was handpicked for the President by ‘ Black Leaders’ of Chicago.

        you really should read the Globe when they have FLOTUS on the cover – I do it all the time at the supermarket.

      • Camille

        They’ve been trying. Every week the grocery check out stands are stacked with rags with either a negative slanderous article about President Obama or the First Lady.

        I actually demanded my local store remove the crap from the check out stands and the manager told me that they had no control as the magazines were brought in and stacked by an independent distributor who seems to conveniently place the mags with the slanderous stuff prominently for all to see, but hide the positive pro-Obama cover pages.

        So I’ve made it my business to spend time reorganizing the magazine racks whenever I’m in the store. It elicits approving chuckles and thumbs up from a lot of people who seem equally miffed.

        It’s insulting and damaging not just to the President and First Lady, but to any fair-minded person.

        Do unto others as you would have them to you now seems to be a thing of the past sadly.

        • rikyrah

          I thought they’d give it up once the President was re-elected, but no, they’ve gone into another round of the crazy.

        • nellcote

          I always turn the covers around when I see them.

  • GreenLadyHere

    Sepia- – — ***STR8 – – -fist bump*** — 2 THIS! – —

    — —Republicans Aren’t Misguided and Misinformed;They’re Ideological Saboteurs

    – —- Throughout the historical record, there are innumerable instances of individuals and groups guilty of treacherous action to defeat, or hinder, an endeavor through deliberate acts of subversion. In most cases, saboteurs are ideologically motivated to create injury out of hatred for their target, and Americans have seen the level of damage conservatives are willing to cause this nation for no other reason than advancing their extremist vision of a libertarian-controlled America. It is simplistic to think teabaggers and Republicans are misguided and misinformed about the damage their policies, if enacted, will cause the nation, because as ideological saboteurs, they know what will result if their policies are enacted and it is just one reason they are enemies of the state.

    – –The recent failure of House Speaker John Boehner to garner support for his people-killing Plan B to avoid Republican’s fiscal cliff revealed that despite how injurious Plan B was to the nation and its people, it did not create enough damage to satisfy Boehner’s ideological caucus. The irony in Boehner’s failure is that the rebellion is the product of the GOP’s decades-long allegiance to Grover Norquist’s anti-government agenda and adherence to Reagan-conservative’s mantra that the United States government is inherently evil and the people’s enemy.- — – — -SNIP – —

    – – –What is most terrifying though, is that these ideologues are content creating an economic crisis as well as their own demise and like a suicide bomber, their hatred supersedes any notion of self-preservation, or their country’s economic health, and there is little anyone can do but sit helplessly and watch as Republicans celebrate their sabotage of the government, the economy, and the American people.– – — -TRUTH!!

  • lamh36

    Welp it’s official. My apartment application was approved today. I move in and sign my new lease on Jan 12th in Baton Rouge. The new apt is 300 sq ft more than my current & is a 2 bd/2bath on the first floor & I still paying less for it than I pay here in DFW!

    Everything’s falling into place. Feeling really blessed today.

    • rikyrah

      that sounds wonderful, lamh!!


    • GreenLadyHere

      CONGRATULATIONS- -lamh36. — -****BIG HUG*** :>)

      – —Soooo HAPPY 4 U. :>) YES! —U R BLESSED! :>)

      ENJOY your BLESSINGS!! :>) —Good 2 C U. :>)

  • GreenLadyHere

    Sepia- — —- SPEAKIN’ of – -FIERCE!!- – — Oooooweee! – – – –

    – — –Philly mayor: NRA’s ‘dumbass idea’

    – —-Philadelphia Mayor Michael Nutter said Wednesday that the National Rifle Association’s proposal to put a gun in every American school is a “dumb-ass idea.”

    Nutter, a Democrat, was speaking about a gunman who shot and killed two firefighters in Webster, N.Y., Monday after they arrived at a house fire.

    – – —“I guess out of last week’s bizarre press statement — it wasn’t a press conference — I guess that Mr. [Wayne] LaPierre would say that firefighters need to have armed guards go with them. I think it just shows that that was a completely dumb-ass idea from the start,” Nutter said on MSNBC.

    He continued: “We need to ban assault weapons. We need to ban the high-capacity clips and magazines. We need serious background information system upgrade.”
    – – —SNIP- –

    – – -Nutter said: “The American public has really had enough and that we’re not going to allow what has happened in the past to go on.”

    – – — THANK U —Mayor Nutter. :>) [PA RAWKS♥]- – –

    – ——-***hands out- -BIG BAND AIDS**** :>)

  • GreenLadyHere

    Sepia- — Medical UPDATE:- —

    —-Elder Bush’s Fever Breaks- [But no discharge date yet from hospital]— –

    —– Good news for the elder George HW Bush. A spokesman says the fever that kept him in the hospital over Christmas is gone. Doctors at the Houston facility where the former president has been treated for a month remain “cautiously optimistic” that he is on the road to recovery, says Bush spokesman Jim McGrath, though no discharge date has been set. McGrath says doctors are being cautious because Bush is 88 and “sometimes issues crop up that are beyond anybody’s ability to discern or foretell.”

    – – — Annnd YET:- — – -Cain’t 4-get- – – –
    -COMMENT: — Libris_Fidelis Dec 26, 2012
    It’s a CRIME how you Repugnant Partisans have ABSOLUTELY no SHAME and EMBARRASSMENT over your history of anti-working class contempt and have no empathy for the poor your economc derangement causes, and for your starting wars for commerce that kill millions of innocent civilians around the world, and send our nation’s commerce to other countries and implement taxation and regulation legislation against family owned farms and businesses, and you beat the pots and the pans against the wall in favor of corporate invasion of citizen privacy…. and I haven’t even started on your traits yet… – — — -SNIP- –

  • GreenLadyHere

    Sepia- – —FRANKly SPEAKING: – — -:>) – — –

    – – —Quote of the Day– – –

    — —I look forward to a situation where when the phone rings, I won’t be apprehensive that it’s some problem I have to deal with: some crisis — maybe that somebody else has done something stupid that I have to deal with, or in the worst case, something stupid I’ve done that I have to deal with.”

    — Rep. Barney Frank (D-MA), quoted by Politico, on his retirement from Congress.

    – —He said – –“I’m TIRED.” :>) —BUT- – WE THANK U 4 your WORK on BEHALF of the PEOPLE. :>)

  • GreenLadyHere

    Sepia- — –MR. PRESIDENT IS RETURNING 2 D.C.- — -BUT the RE-THUGS???- – —

    – —-House GOP in no rush to return

    — — –President Obama has cut short his vacation plans and will leave Hawaii tonight in order to return to Washington. The point, obviously, is to participate in more fiscal talks in the hopes of avoiding looming deadlines, just five days away.

    But just because Obama is heading back to DC doesn’t mean Congress is prepared to do the same.

    According to House Republican leadership aides, House GOP leaders have not yet called their members back to Washington D.C., and WILL NOT be in session tomorrow for legislative business. According to one GOP aide, “It’s up to Senate Democrats to act right now.”– -[GEESH!!]
    – — -SNIP- –

    — -As for this notion that it’s “up to Senate Democrats to act,” I’ve been hearing this a lot today and it seems more and more peculiar every time. Senate Democrats can pass a perfectly sensible package tomorrow, filled with popular proposals that enjoy broad support from the American mainstream, and which would earn the president’s signature. But if it can’t overcome a GOP filibuster and pass the right-wing House, it won’t matter — and Senate Democrats aren’t in a position to accurately guess what Republicans might find tolerable.– –


    – —-COMMENT: —- TCinLA
    It’s time to declare the Republican Party an illegal seditious conspiracy against the United States.

  • rikyrah

    Student food banks fight hunger on campus
    By By ALAN SCHER ZAGIER | Associated Press – Mon, Dec 24, 2012.

    University of Missouri junior Simone McGautha works three campus jobs and has accumulated $11,000 in student loans as she seeks to become the first in her family with a college degree. So when McGautha learned about a new campus food pantry for needy students, the 19-year-old was happy to have the help.

    “I use every bit of money I have for basic needs,” the Kansas City native said. “I don’t have family putting money in my bank account. If somebody wants to help, why not?”

    The student-run Tiger Pantry is among a growing number of programs at university campuses. Organizers say it’s both a response to a weak economy and a sign of the latest trend in student activism.

    The pantry, which opened in early October, is within easy walking distance of the University of Missouri’s campus in Columbia. It has given free food to nearly 150 people and their families, and an additional 100 people have expressed an interest. Food recipients include nearly three dozen graduate students and a similar number of university employees, as well as a handful of professors.

    Student organizers modeled the program on a similar effort at the University of Arkansas known as the Full Circle Food Pantry. As a sanctioned organization, the Tiger Pantry receives some money from student fees but primarily relies on donated food. Students can drop off donations in large bins around campus, and the local food pantry provided 2,500 pounds of food to help the Tiger Pantry get started.


  • rikyrah

    Dem establishment gearing up Massachusetts special election
    By Steve Benen
    Wed Dec 26, 2012 3:00 PM EST

    For Democrats, John Kerry’s nomination to be the next Secretary of State has pluses and minuses. On the one hand, President Obama will get a spectacularly qualified cabinet official who’ll be confirmed with overwhelming, bipartisan support. The nation will benefit from Kerry’s service.

    On the other, Democrats need every vote on Capitol Hill they can get, and it doesn’t help if the White House takes leading lawmakers away from their caucuses. After all, the last time there was a special election to fill a Senate vacancy in Massachusetts, it didn’t work out too well for the party.

    But this time, the White House has at least recognized the issue up front, vowing not to take the race in the traditionally-blue Bay State for granted.


    • Camille

      Don’t you just love the way they keep emphasizing the “spectacular” qualifications of John Kerry but somehow everyone ompletly missed the glaring fact that Susan Rice was actually even more spectacularly qualified for that job.

      I’m still so miffed about this. Very miffed.

      • Admiral_Komack

        John Kerry’s water is colder.

    • Town

      On the other, Democrats need every vote on Capitol Hill they can get, and it doesn’t help if the White House takes leading lawmakers away from their caucuses. After all, the last time there was a special election to fill a Senate vacancy in Massachusetts, it didn’t work out too well for the party.


  • rikyrah

    House GOP in no rush to return
    By Steve Benen
    Wed Dec 26, 2012 4:10 PM EST.

    President Obama has cut short his vacation plans and will leave Hawaii tonight in order to return to Washington. The point, obviously, is to participate in more fiscal talks in the hopes of avoiding looming deadlines, just five days away.

    But just because Obama is heading back to DC doesn’t mean Congress is prepared to do the same.

    According to House Republican leadership aides, House GOP leaders have not yet called their members back to Washington D.C., and WILL NOT be in session tomorrow for legislative business. According to one GOP aide, “It’s up to Senate Democrats to act right now.”

    During the House Republican conference meeting late Thursday night, leadership told the conference that they would be given 48 hours before being called back to D.C. after Christmas. According to aides, leadership has not given that notice yet.

    As for this notion that it’s “up to Senate Democrats to act,” I’ve been hearing this a lot today and it seems more and more peculiar every time. Senate Democrats can pass a perfectly sensible package tomorrow, filled with popular proposals that enjoy broad support from the American mainstream, and which would earn the president’s signature. But if it can’t overcome a GOP filibuster and pass the right-wing House, it won’t matter — and Senate Democrats aren’t in a position to accurately guess what Republicans might find tolerable.


  • rikyrah

    Geithner rings debt-limit alarm
    By Steve Benen
    Wed Dec 26, 2012 4:51 PM EST.

    If you have a car, you’re probably aware of that light on your dashboard that lets you know when you’re nearly out of gas. It’s not a time to panic, of course, but rather it’s a time to realize action is needed — the car isn’t about to stop running, but you’re running low and need to do something routine before there’s a real problem.

    Tim Geithner’s letter to Congress today is a bit like that light on the dash.

    Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner announced Wednesday that the U.S. Government will hit its borrowing limit on December 31 if Congress doesn’t act.

    The announcement adds pressure on lawmakers to resolve many of the nation’s fiscal challenges by the end of the year or go over the so-called “fiscal cliff,” a set of spending cuts and tax increases that will fall into place automatically if Democrats and Republicans can’t reach agreement.


  • GreenLadyHere

    Sepia —-Luvin’ REV. AL’s SHOW: — –REVVIE AWARDS: –☻–“THRILLER” — [BEST POLITICAL MOVE]- annnd


    – -☻- -SPOTLIGHT AWARD [QUICK CHOICE: –Most Important Mome3nt in the Election.]

    Annnd MORE. —-:>) – –

    A FUN WATCH!!- — -THANK U- -REV. AL.–:>) — –

  • Miranda

    Evening thread is up!

  • Camille

    So what exactly is the deal with Jonathan Capeheart and Tim Scott? Are they cousins or is Jonathan being paid to shill for this unremarkable and shamelessly self-loathing Negro from South Carolina.

    What’s the deal??

    • GOVCHRIS1988

      Excuse my French, but are they fucking? I’m sorry, but Jonathan has been doing a little too much asskissing for me on ol Uncle Tim.

      • Camille

        He really has and it’s getting seriously suspect.

      • TyrenM

        The powers that be must agree. Nobody pointed u to The Lounge lol.

      • Admiral_Komack

        “Your coat, sir?”

    • GreenLadyHere

      SisCamille:– — –THIS!!– -LOL

      • Camille

        LOL Sis, you are sweet devil!

    • rikyrah

      I was wondering that myself.

      Scott is nothing but a slave catching hanky head of the highest order.

  • Camille

    Thank you Richard Wolfe for identifying the most under appreciated force in this 2012 election. It was indeed Michelle Obama.

    • rikyrah

      Yeah FLOTUS!!!